NCAAT Friday Open Thread (Major update @ 11:50am)

Note: The comments in this entry are a consolidation of both BJD and Jeff.

Thursday Comments
* Not very many upsets so far, but those of us who stayed up late last night were rewarded by compelling endings in the VCU/UCLA and Illinois/Western Kentucky games. Clemson also fought back to make things close after 35 minutes of absolute bed shitting – but fell short once again. If there was one thing any ACC fan didn’t want to see, it was a conference member losing to a lower-seeded Big Ten team.

* Side note – I don’t know if it’s possible to get worse last-second shots than Clemson and VCU took last night – despite plenty of time on the clock to initiate a good play. Just ugly, ugly stuff that never stood a chance of working.

* Speaking of VCU/UCLA, those Rams fans were quite a motley looking group, were they not? What was the deal with the females in the band wearing bikini tops? Deadspin was thinking along the same lines.

* Is their any more justice in the world that Tyler Hansbrough breaks the ACC’s all-time scoring record with a friggin free throw? It was nice to see Hansbrough make this list of the five most hated players in the NCAA Tournament:

Hated because the media fawns over him (Jay Bilas going down on him at the end of the Louisville Elite 8 game last year may have been the tipping point), and because he seems to get all of the calls from the refs. Guilt-by-success seems to apply here.

Friday Comments – Here’s today’s slate, which looks pretty compelling:

Early Afternoon:
#14 Stephen F. Austin vs. #3 Syracuse
#9 Tennessee vs. #8 Oklahoma State
#11 Utah State vs. #6 Marquette
#14 North Dakota State vs. #3 Kansas

Analysis: Will Syracuse be flat and/or tired after their epic Big East tournament? Is Marquette as cooked as I think they are sans injured PG Dominic James? Also, don’t sleep on North Dakota State – they play numerous 5th year seniors, and Kansas is a well-documented fraud. If there is going to be a major first round upset, it probably happens here. Very strange for the 8/9 game to be the least compelling matchup, but that is the case here.

Late Afternoon:
#11 Temple vs. #6 Arizona State
#16 East Tennessee State vs. #1 Pittsburgh
#14 Cornell vs. #3 Missouri
#11 Dayton vs. #6 West Virginia

Analysis: Aside from Pitt/ETSU, these should be very competitive (if not aesthetically pleasing) games. Cornell could also pull a big upset, as they are a “repeat” team that returns most starters from last year’s early NCAAT exiting bunch. Those are the kinds of teams that can give a marquee team fits (just ask Jay Wright about Jeff Jones’ similar American squad). Syracuse and Kansas are very vulnearble #3 seeds, and the winner of each 6/11 game could easily make a deep run – particularly if Huggy Bear’s bunch can make it past a physical, tough Dayton squad. West Virginia is a good team with a good coach, and one of my dark horse Final Four possibilities.

Early Evening:
#16 Morehead State vs. #1 Louisville
#12 Arizona vs. #5 Utah
#10 Southern Cal vs. #7 Boston College
#13 Portland State vs. #4 Xavier

Analysis: It’s got the prime time slot, but easily the least compelling slate of games for the day. Louisville is really the only good team of these eight, and even the Cards come with question marks. Portland State could beat Xavier, but I wouldn’t consider that much of an upset because Xavier just isn’t that strong. Hopefully, BC comes through for the ACC, but that’s a coin flip at best.

Late Night:
#9 Siena vs. #8 Ohio State
#13 Cleveland State vs. #4 Wake Forest
#15 Robert Morris vs. #2 Michigan State
#12 Wisconsin vs. #5 Florida State

Analysis: I’d really like Siena to win this one if the game wasn’t being played in Dayton – what a lucky break for Thad Matta. As we’ve discussed many times on SFN, Wake Forest is a much better team against powerhouses than underdog squads. Their awful ACCT performance should get their heads straight, but I’m still not sure Jeff Teague is fixable mentally at this point. Cleveland State has a good shot to win – but if the Deacs squeak by, they could catch fire and go a long way. Florida State and Wisconsin should grind out a tough, defensive game. If the Noles survive, this could easily be a Sweet Sixteen/Elite Eight team. An elite scorer, great defense, and excellent size make for a potent NCAAT combination – but their first game is a big obstacle.

Media & Sendek Comments
ACCNow has some blurbs on each of the games as well. (Link) Of course, ‘the Observers’ can’t help but pen an article about Herb Sendek; this one written from Scott Fowler from the Charlotte bureau.

The title of the piece is very misleading – “Sendek’s style same as it was with Pack” would lead the reader to infer that Sendek is doing a lot of things similar to how he did things in Raleigh when in fact he has made some great adjustments to his ‘style’. Sendek has ditched his limiting “Princeton offense” that put a ceiling on both the performance and the talent-level of players attracted to the system. He has even shed his stubborn devotion to man-to-man defense and installed a pesky zone that has become one of ASU’s unique trademarks.

When you really read the article with a true depth of knowledge that most of our readers have you will realize that Scott Fowler was doing everything he could to paint and paint and paint a picture that he hoped would stir the pot as opposed to actually share some real information. Take for instance this item near the end:

The coach also pulled off a coup by successfully recruiting Harden, the 2009 Pac-10 Player of the Year who averages 20.8 points per game. Harden, a lefty, is often described as the most well-known southpaw at Arizona State since golfer Phil Mickelson.

Bringing up James Harden is one of the only things that supports the title of Fowler’s article – ‘Sendek’s style remaining the same’. Unfortunately, Fowler would rather ignore facts to support the premise of his piece at the peril of producing a disjointed article of praise instead of something that actually lived true to its purpose. As Fowler’s more-informed and more-balanced colleague, Joe Giglio, stated this morning:

Plus, there’s a reason Sendek hired James Harden’s AAU coach at ASU. Harden’s a lottery pick.

There is something that is JUST LIKE his style at NC State – Sendek hired Damon Thornton and Kenny Inge’s coach (Mark Phelps) as soon as he got the NC State job to secure Thornton’s waivering commitment at the time just like he hired James Harden’s high school coach to garner Harden’s commitment. There is nothing wrong with it; and it is one of Sendek’s few ‘styles’ that has been the same at ASU as at NC State. Why would Fowler choose to ignore this when it actually supports the supposed premise of the article?

Another component of Sendek’s style that has been consistent at both schools came into clear focus on Saturday when the Sun Devils were playing USC for the Pac-10 Championship. ASU led by 15 points at halftime and completely controlled the first thirty minutes of the…then, disaster slowly struck.

The Sun Devils and All-American guard James Harden only scored six points in the last eight minutes and ten seconds of the game en route to mustering only 63 points for the day. They scored only four points in the last 7:37, which included only one field goal in the last 7:37. They ultimately lost the lead with 30 seconds to go and lost the title to the Trojans.

Wow? Ever seen that script before? If ANYTHING represents the ‘same style Sendek’ as his time at NC State it would be the nationally televised performance just five days ago that took Sendek’s record in major conference championship games to 0-4. Where the hell was Fowler’s article on Sunday morning about Sendek?

But Sendek still wins, too. He took N.C. State to the NCAA Tournament in his final five seasons, and now he’s made it here. While Sendek has coached a dozen NCAA Tournament games, going 6-6, none of his current players have ever been in one.

‘Wins’?

In three years Sendek has a losing record in the Pac-10 that is just slightly better than his ACC record that was sixteen games under .500 (72-88).

Has more ever been made of someone who in SIXTEEN YEARS of coaching has managed to win a grand total of six NCAA Tournament games while never finishing better than second place in a major conference or ever winning a major conference championship? If that is winning, I want my kid playing in the same youth sports leagues as Scott Fowler’s so that all of the kids will get their trophy for signing up.

As with anyone that is a former part of the Wolfpack family we are pulling for Herb to have success and take the Sun Devils to the promised land; but, in the process, we are pulling for the media to finally be able to report some balance, fact and truth as opposed to shoveling us the kind of bullshit that Scott Fowler shoveled today.

Various
Once again, WRAL and Time Warner Cable have you covered with comprehensive HD coverage.

Duke against Rick Barnes’ Texas in Greensboro on Saturday? Hell yes! Speaking of Barnes (and Tubby Smith), we had some great stuff in our open entry from yesterday including a little video of how to deal with players who don’t want to bust their ass 100% of the time.

In closing, we’ve got a hat tip to March to Madness for linking to the greatest dunk of all-time this week…but that didn’t come from the NCAA Tournament.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

08-09 Basketball

120 Responses to NCAAT Friday Open Thread (Major update @ 11:50am)

  1. Weasel z 03/20/2009 at 11:57 PM #

    as much as i hate to say it too, i think Duke may have a real run in them. of course its talked about every year, but this may be the one with a duke-unx clash in the final 4

  2. JeremyH 03/21/2009 at 12:14 AM #

    “Miami got clobbered in the NIT second round today, too.

    After the first round of NCAAT play, every single team that NC State beat this season is done for the year.”

    gah.. i hate to see our rpi tomorrow : P

  3. Wulfpack 03/21/2009 at 5:22 AM #

    What a miserable showing for the ACC yesterday.

  4. wolfonthehill 03/21/2009 at 6:49 AM #

    BJD – I realized the same thing regarding how teams NC State beat vs couldn’t beat… teams in the NCAA we couldn’t beat went 4-1… teams that didn’t let us steal a win went 0-3. Posted at S6…

  5. TheCOWDOG 03/21/2009 at 8:21 AM #

    What da’ya know…the charge is back in college basketball.

    Has anyone noticed where our Zebras are at?

    Haven’t seen ’em when I think to look for ’em.

    Should have given more thought on my bracket with teams that lost to State. Should have had the red lights flashing. Remind me of that next year, peeps.

  6. Wolfpack_1995 03/21/2009 at 8:25 AM #

    Very true on those that posted about ACC officiating.

    Our teams have become paper tigers based on the officiating difference between the ACC and NCAAT officiating. Look at Duke last year.

    I see both Duke and UNC bowing out soon after they stop getting the beloved calls they usually get in the ACC. Wake up Mr. Swofford!

    Also, I almost choked when watching Vitale and Digger discuss Herb Sendek after recapping the ASU/Temple game.

    Digger said “And like you said Dick, Herb Sendek can flat out coach.”

    What the F??? My God! Any creditablity Digger had is now gone. If both of those bozos think Herb can coach then I now really understand why they both are commentators who never did anything at their respective schools.

    Maybe one day will see Herb as an analyst. Imagine that! Probably the perfect job for him being that he cannot coach!

    Go Cuse!

  7. 61Packer 03/21/2009 at 8:25 AM #

    The problem with the ACC isn’t a player problem; we’ve got loads of talent. What the ACC has is a coaching deficit. Never in all the years I’ve seen the ACC have we had so many mediocre basketball head coaches in this league. How else do you explain the way Clemson, Wake and FSU all lost in the opening round (much the way they play when the chips are down during the season)? The Wisconsin coach should get coach of the year- that team had no business on the court with FSU, let alone winning. Hamilton is coach of the year in the ACC, yes, but he’ll be back with us near the bottom of the league next year when Douglas departs.

    Donovan from Florida isn’t in the tourney this season (they did humble Miami last night in the NIT though), and Tubby is out, but look at the rest of the coaches in the tourney who have won championships in the past. Great talent or little talent, they’re still in and most will be in next week as well. You can talk about talent and recruiting all you want, but it comes down to good coaching in the end. This is precisely why I think we’re going to suck until we make a coaching change. No matter how fast your car is, you gotta have a good driver.

    My NCAA brackets aren’t much better than everybody else’s, but so far, I’ve gotten every ACC team right. The teams with good coaches usually win, the mediocre or bad ones don’t.

  8. redfred2 03/21/2009 at 8:29 AM #

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  9. redfred2 03/21/2009 at 8:45 AM #

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  11. TheCOWDOG 03/21/2009 at 9:06 AM #

    Hey Red, just so ya know. My little dig at State was a shade of feciciousness coloring the ” strength ” of the conference top to bottom.

    I’m an animal lover, but I have to admit a certain masochistic ( not sadistic ) pleasure in kickin’ a dead horse from time to time.

  12. Noah 03/21/2009 at 10:28 AM #

    If both of those bozos think Herb can coach then I now really understand why they both are commentators who never did anything at their respective schools.

    There are a lot of people who know basketball who think Sendek can coach. Who are the people (besides NC State fans) who think he’s a bad coach?

    Just curious…

  13. Cosmo96 03/21/2009 at 10:52 AM #

    I don’t think he’s a bad coach. I think he’s a good coach. However, this is the ACC. In the ACC, a good coach won’t hang any banners. In the ACC, a good coach will usually get you anywhere from 3rd to 6th in the conference, will make the NCAA Tournament, and will bow out after the first weekend. A lot of fans at a lot of schools would be happy with that, but a good coach with good results won’t cut it when you know what it is to have a great coach and great teams. Maybe we’ll have that again, someday…

  14. kyjelly 03/21/2009 at 11:03 AM #

    Va Tech getting smoked at home .. And what are we, league doormat in a very sorry overrated league me thinks.

  15. Greywolf 03/21/2009 at 11:32 AM #

    Noah
    March 21st, 2009 at 10:28 am
    …”There are a lot of people who know basketball who think Sendek can coach. Who are the people (besides NC State fans) who think he’s a bad coach?”

    Damn, Noah, I almost shit myself when I read this. I know one person who “knows basketball” who thinks Sendek can coach. 😉
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    I’m creating my own ‘short list’ of coaches who can coach, based on the criteria I’ve been reading here. So far I’ve eliminated all the coaches who didn’t make the NCAAs and all the coaches who got eliminated in the first round. I’m down to 32 coaches with 16 more to be eliminated today and tomorrow. After all we have standards and expectations here at NCSU and if you can’t make it into the sweet 16, we don’t need you. As soon as I research the remaining 16 coaches to see who has lost big leads in the second half, I think I’ll have a very short list.

  16. Greywolf 03/21/2009 at 11:47 AM #

    redfred,
    I try to grant the space to people the day of a loss to piss and moan about the Pack. I’m with you and wonder what’s the point a week later. I get frustration, but damn, even small children get over shit in a day or so.
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    And what is this shit: “You do not have permission to edit this comment.” that appears when I try to edit one of my comments?

  17. wufpup76 03/21/2009 at 11:53 AM #

    I could kill FSU and Clemson (if they were individual people, I guess).

    3-4; 2 losses in the first round to BIG TEN teams.

    3-4!!!!!!!!!

    And yes, VT is absolutely getting crushed at home by Baylor in the NIT. Sh*t. Sh*t. Triple Sh*t.

    Swofford: “You rebel scum. You thought your insignificant band of other teams aside from Duke the Holes actually deserved attention and merit. Ha! This is all the evidence I need to take the conference further in a new, dominant and elite 2 teams and everyone else style in basketball.! Muhahaahahhha!!!!”

    The Cleveland State / Wake game was one of the ones I actually got right, but FSU and Clemson – you let more than just bracket pickers down. Your “trust and confidence” cards for representing the ACC in postseason play are irrevocably trashed.

    DAMMIT!!!!! Big Ten – NOOOOOO!!!

  18. twosocks 03/21/2009 at 12:15 PM #

    Dr. BadgerPack said:

    “The Wisconsin/Florida St. matchup will come down to one player. Trevon Hughes. If you think Courtney Fells vanishes in big games, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. Hughes will get abused by Douglas. FSU romps.”

    Is this the same Trevon Hughes who hit a spinning one hander in the lane (and one) to win the game in overtime with 2 seconds left? You gotta step up and eat some crow on that one, dude.

  19. BJD95 03/21/2009 at 12:21 PM #

    The Saturday thread is open.

  20. redfred2 03/21/2009 at 1:30 PM #

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