NCAAT Friday Open Thread (Major update @ 11:50am)

Note: The comments in this entry are a consolidation of both BJD and Jeff.

Thursday Comments
* Not very many upsets so far, but those of us who stayed up late last night were rewarded by compelling endings in the VCU/UCLA and Illinois/Western Kentucky games. Clemson also fought back to make things close after 35 minutes of absolute bed shitting – but fell short once again. If there was one thing any ACC fan didn’t want to see, it was a conference member losing to a lower-seeded Big Ten team.

* Side note – I don’t know if it’s possible to get worse last-second shots than Clemson and VCU took last night – despite plenty of time on the clock to initiate a good play. Just ugly, ugly stuff that never stood a chance of working.

* Speaking of VCU/UCLA, those Rams fans were quite a motley looking group, were they not? What was the deal with the females in the band wearing bikini tops? Deadspin was thinking along the same lines.

* Is their any more justice in the world that Tyler Hansbrough breaks the ACC’s all-time scoring record with a friggin free throw? It was nice to see Hansbrough make this list of the five most hated players in the NCAA Tournament:

Hated because the media fawns over him (Jay Bilas going down on him at the end of the Louisville Elite 8 game last year may have been the tipping point), and because he seems to get all of the calls from the refs. Guilt-by-success seems to apply here.

Friday Comments – Here’s today’s slate, which looks pretty compelling:

Early Afternoon:
#14 Stephen F. Austin vs. #3 Syracuse
#9 Tennessee vs. #8 Oklahoma State
#11 Utah State vs. #6 Marquette
#14 North Dakota State vs. #3 Kansas

Analysis: Will Syracuse be flat and/or tired after their epic Big East tournament? Is Marquette as cooked as I think they are sans injured PG Dominic James? Also, don’t sleep on North Dakota State – they play numerous 5th year seniors, and Kansas is a well-documented fraud. If there is going to be a major first round upset, it probably happens here. Very strange for the 8/9 game to be the least compelling matchup, but that is the case here.

Late Afternoon:
#11 Temple vs. #6 Arizona State
#16 East Tennessee State vs. #1 Pittsburgh
#14 Cornell vs. #3 Missouri
#11 Dayton vs. #6 West Virginia

Analysis: Aside from Pitt/ETSU, these should be very competitive (if not aesthetically pleasing) games. Cornell could also pull a big upset, as they are a “repeat” team that returns most starters from last year’s early NCAAT exiting bunch. Those are the kinds of teams that can give a marquee team fits (just ask Jay Wright about Jeff Jones’ similar American squad). Syracuse and Kansas are very vulnearble #3 seeds, and the winner of each 6/11 game could easily make a deep run – particularly if Huggy Bear’s bunch can make it past a physical, tough Dayton squad. West Virginia is a good team with a good coach, and one of my dark horse Final Four possibilities.

Early Evening:
#16 Morehead State vs. #1 Louisville
#12 Arizona vs. #5 Utah
#10 Southern Cal vs. #7 Boston College
#13 Portland State vs. #4 Xavier

Analysis: It’s got the prime time slot, but easily the least compelling slate of games for the day. Louisville is really the only good team of these eight, and even the Cards come with question marks. Portland State could beat Xavier, but I wouldn’t consider that much of an upset because Xavier just isn’t that strong. Hopefully, BC comes through for the ACC, but that’s a coin flip at best.

Late Night:
#9 Siena vs. #8 Ohio State
#13 Cleveland State vs. #4 Wake Forest
#15 Robert Morris vs. #2 Michigan State
#12 Wisconsin vs. #5 Florida State

Analysis: I’d really like Siena to win this one if the game wasn’t being played in Dayton – what a lucky break for Thad Matta. As we’ve discussed many times on SFN, Wake Forest is a much better team against powerhouses than underdog squads. Their awful ACCT performance should get their heads straight, but I’m still not sure Jeff Teague is fixable mentally at this point. Cleveland State has a good shot to win – but if the Deacs squeak by, they could catch fire and go a long way. Florida State and Wisconsin should grind out a tough, defensive game. If the Noles survive, this could easily be a Sweet Sixteen/Elite Eight team. An elite scorer, great defense, and excellent size make for a potent NCAAT combination – but their first game is a big obstacle.

Media & Sendek Comments
ACCNow has some blurbs on each of the games as well. (Link) Of course, ‘the Observers’ can’t help but pen an article about Herb Sendek; this one written from Scott Fowler from the Charlotte bureau.

The title of the piece is very misleading – “Sendek’s style same as it was with Pack” would lead the reader to infer that Sendek is doing a lot of things similar to how he did things in Raleigh when in fact he has made some great adjustments to his ‘style’. Sendek has ditched his limiting “Princeton offense” that put a ceiling on both the performance and the talent-level of players attracted to the system. He has even shed his stubborn devotion to man-to-man defense and installed a pesky zone that has become one of ASU’s unique trademarks.

When you really read the article with a true depth of knowledge that most of our readers have you will realize that Scott Fowler was doing everything he could to paint and paint and paint a picture that he hoped would stir the pot as opposed to actually share some real information. Take for instance this item near the end:

The coach also pulled off a coup by successfully recruiting Harden, the 2009 Pac-10 Player of the Year who averages 20.8 points per game. Harden, a lefty, is often described as the most well-known southpaw at Arizona State since golfer Phil Mickelson.

Bringing up James Harden is one of the only things that supports the title of Fowler’s article – ‘Sendek’s style remaining the same’. Unfortunately, Fowler would rather ignore facts to support the premise of his piece at the peril of producing a disjointed article of praise instead of something that actually lived true to its purpose. As Fowler’s more-informed and more-balanced colleague, Joe Giglio, stated this morning:

Plus, there’s a reason Sendek hired James Harden’s AAU coach at ASU. Harden’s a lottery pick.

There is something that is JUST LIKE his style at NC State – Sendek hired Damon Thornton and Kenny Inge’s coach (Mark Phelps) as soon as he got the NC State job to secure Thornton’s waivering commitment at the time just like he hired James Harden’s high school coach to garner Harden’s commitment. There is nothing wrong with it; and it is one of Sendek’s few ‘styles’ that has been the same at ASU as at NC State. Why would Fowler choose to ignore this when it actually supports the supposed premise of the article?

Another component of Sendek’s style that has been consistent at both schools came into clear focus on Saturday when the Sun Devils were playing USC for the Pac-10 Championship. ASU led by 15 points at halftime and completely controlled the first thirty minutes of the…then, disaster slowly struck.

The Sun Devils and All-American guard James Harden only scored six points in the last eight minutes and ten seconds of the game en route to mustering only 63 points for the day. They scored only four points in the last 7:37, which included only one field goal in the last 7:37. They ultimately lost the lead with 30 seconds to go and lost the title to the Trojans.

Wow? Ever seen that script before? If ANYTHING represents the ‘same style Sendek’ as his time at NC State it would be the nationally televised performance just five days ago that took Sendek’s record in major conference championship games to 0-4. Where the hell was Fowler’s article on Sunday morning about Sendek?

But Sendek still wins, too. He took N.C. State to the NCAA Tournament in his final five seasons, and now he’s made it here. While Sendek has coached a dozen NCAA Tournament games, going 6-6, none of his current players have ever been in one.

‘Wins’?

In three years Sendek has a losing record in the Pac-10 that is just slightly better than his ACC record that was sixteen games under .500 (72-88).

Has more ever been made of someone who in SIXTEEN YEARS of coaching has managed to win a grand total of six NCAA Tournament games while never finishing better than second place in a major conference or ever winning a major conference championship? If that is winning, I want my kid playing in the same youth sports leagues as Scott Fowler’s so that all of the kids will get their trophy for signing up.

As with anyone that is a former part of the Wolfpack family we are pulling for Herb to have success and take the Sun Devils to the promised land; but, in the process, we are pulling for the media to finally be able to report some balance, fact and truth as opposed to shoveling us the kind of bullshit that Scott Fowler shoveled today.

Various
Once again, WRAL and Time Warner Cable have you covered with comprehensive HD coverage.

Duke against Rick Barnes’ Texas in Greensboro on Saturday? Hell yes! Speaking of Barnes (and Tubby Smith), we had some great stuff in our open entry from yesterday including a little video of how to deal with players who don’t want to bust their ass 100% of the time.

In closing, we’ve got a hat tip to March to Madness for linking to the greatest dunk of all-time this week…but that didn’t come from the NCAA Tournament.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

08-09 Basketball

120 Responses to NCAAT Friday Open Thread (Major update @ 11:50am)

  1. Greywolf 03/20/2009 at 10:28 PM #

    61,
    Passion has a wide range of definitions so I am not clear what it is that you see is missing. I hope you aren’t referring to displays of emotion. I suspect that Sid is passionate about winning and returning NCSU to greatness, he just doesn’t demonstrate it like, perhaps, Lefty Drissell did. For those of you who didn’t have the privilege of seeing Coach Case, Case was one who was passionate about winning and passionate about NC and NCState College and Case kept his emotions under control. Coach Sloan was passionate about winning and passionate about NC State but fell somewhere between Coach Case and Coach V, but Sloan’s emotion tended to boil over into displays of anger more than joy or other emotions.
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    Coach Case never won an NC but he is credited with being one of the top coaches ever, in any sport at NC State. Sloan and V both won national titles in BB. Those 3 coaches all had passion and they represent the extremities on the scale of passion with Sloan being somewhere in the middle. If you know which end Coach V was on, Case was on the other.
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    Passion for the game and passion for your school is essential, I just question if extreme displays of emotion during the game are prerequisites for being successful at your profession.

  2. wolfonthehill 03/20/2009 at 10:30 PM #

    And yet another hard foul on a break – IDENTICAL to the ones called intentional against the Pack – is correctly called just a foul.

    Why do we have to suck AND be on the shit end of bizarre officiating?

  3. wolfonthehill 03/20/2009 at 10:33 PM #

    My GOD, Wake looks horrific… I mean, Herb-in-a-key-game kind of horrific… Pack-in-black-unis kind of horrific… Duke-coached-by-Gaudet kind of horrific… uncch-under-Doh kind of horrific… UMd-under-Wade kind of horrific.

    You get it.

    When Jeff Teague can’t dribble the ball, you’re gonna have problems.

    Way to represent, ass-clowns…

  4. Clarksa 03/20/2009 at 10:36 PM #

    Guy at work picked Wake to win the ACC tournament…I told him no way that Dino couldn’t coach…he thought I was nuts…maybe he’ll agree with me now?

  5. JeremyH 03/20/2009 at 10:43 PM #

    Wake just got a crappy draw and ran into a brick wall– a team with desire.

  6. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 10:46 PM #

    Boy, the Noles are trying to give this one away. Heads out of asses, gentlemen!

  7. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 10:50 PM #

    Before the crazy three, Wisconsin walked at least twice. No call.

  8. MrPlywood 03/20/2009 at 10:53 PM #

    Wake’s “performance” was just embarrassing.

  9. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 10:56 PM #

    Damn it, Noles.

  10. turfpack 03/20/2009 at 10:58 PM #

    Well- the way it’s going only plays to the myth there is just two teams in the ACC-dook&unx

  11. JeremyH 03/20/2009 at 10:58 PM #

    Cleveland St. came out at the bell and punched Wake in the mouth. Wake saw stars the rest of the way..

  12. JeremyH 03/20/2009 at 10:59 PM #

    Remember how disappointed we were that we lost to FlaState at home? Look how good they are.

  13. turfpack 03/20/2009 at 11:08 PM #

    JUST SHIT THE BED ACC!

  14. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 11:10 PM #

    And the non-blue ACC goes down in flames. Again.

  15. JeremyH 03/20/2009 at 11:12 PM #

    the bed is shat, my man.

  16. ryebread 03/20/2009 at 11:12 PM #

    Sigh — 3-4 in opening round NCAA tourney games for the ACC. Some of these were predictable (BC), some were startling (Wake) and some were tough match ups that I thought were toss ups (Clemson, FSU). It looks like the Big 10 got the last laugh this year.

    Outside of UNC, we don’t have a legit title contender. That’s the only ACC team that I had going beyond the Sweet 16.

    The ACC really needs to look at the officiating. The tournament games aren’t being called like the conference games.

  17. LRM 03/20/2009 at 11:13 PM #

    The Big Televen overachieves in the tournament every year because their style of play removes all athleticism — and enjoyment — from the game. That FSU/Wisconsin game was living proof. What an awful game.

  18. turfpack 03/20/2009 at 11:16 PM #

    OH-WELL back to yard work tomorrow-screw it!

  19. wolfonthehill 03/20/2009 at 11:19 PM #

    At least Siena pulled off a satisfying win over OSU and Thad Matta, whom I think is as dirty as Philip Fulmer.

  20. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 11:27 PM #

    Onions indeed, Mr. Raftery.

    How would you like to be Rick Pitino tonight? Team gets a wakeup call, but only has Siena and Arizona/Cleveland State between the Cards and the regional final.

    Florida State didn’t show up for the first 5 minutes of the second half and it cost them their tourney life. Just like BC didn’t show up for the second half. And Clemson for the first 35 minutes. And I’m not sure any of the Deacons made it off the plane other than James Johnson.

    Does anybody see now why SFN put Johnson on first team all-ACC, and almost demoted Teague to third team?

  21. turfpack 03/20/2009 at 11:29 PM #

    IF ya’ll tune in tomorrow to the carowhina game- Hansturd will-fix the economy,cure cancer,save a family form a burning building and all in the 1st half and…..what will happen with TOEFU LAWSON? AS THE SHITTY BLUE TURNS Details at 11:00.

  22. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 11:31 PM #

    Those sheets are going to need some Clorox, Mr. Swofford. Actually, lots and lots of Clorox.

  23. frankiepack 03/20/2009 at 11:41 PM #

    Wow acc took gas………I thought league was down last year as well as this year but did not want to beat a dead horse cause we were so bad. But my word how bad can you be finishing 10th, disgusting.

  24. BJD95 03/20/2009 at 11:50 PM #

    Miami got clobbered in the NIT second round today, too.

    After the first round of NCAAT play, every single team that NC State beat this season is done for the year.

  25. Weasel z 03/20/2009 at 11:55 PM #

    well, i now know why we got no invites anywhere at seasons end

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