FSU Football and Hoops Get Four Years NCAA Probation

The Biggest Penalty Will Be Paid Personally By Bobby Bowden

Fellow ACC Atlantic Division member Florida State has been placed on four years probation by the NCAA:

ESPN

The Florida State football team will vacate an undetermined number of wins, serve four years’ probation, and face a reduction in scholarships and other penalties due to what the NCAA described Friday as “major violations” from an academic cheating scandal.

Nine other programs were also penalized — baseball, men’s track and field, women’s track and field, men’s swimming, women’s swimming, men’s basketball, women’s basketball, softball and men’s golf — and face the same sanctions. Overall, the scandal involved 61 athletes.

The football team will be limited to 83 total scholarships in 2008-09; 82 in 2009-10; and 84 in 2010-11; the maximum usually allowed by the NCAA is 85. Florida State self-imposed the loss of the two scholarships for 2008-09, and will self-impose the loss of three scholarships for 2009-10. The NCAA added an additional loss of scholarship from the maximum in 2010-11.

The Orlando Sentinel adds that the sanctions will negatively impact Bobby Bowden’s NCAA wins record, because the forfeits

“include regular season contests, postseason contests and any NCAA championship competition. The individual records of the student-athletes shall be vacated as well.

“Further, the institution’s records regarding all of the involved sports, as well as the records of the head coaches of those sports will reflect the vacated records and will be recorded in all publications in which these records are reported, including, but not limited to, institution media guides, recruiting material, electronic and digital media plus institution and NCAA archives. Any public reference to tournament performances won during this time shall be removed, including, but not limited to, athletics department stationery and banners displayed in public areas such as the venues in which the specified teams compete.”

All in all, for FSU it could have been worse. They do not lose any post-season rights, television rights and the scholarship impact is fairly minimal.  No scholarship penalties have been announced for the FSU hoops squad, so it looks like the brunt of the punishment will be absorbed by the football side of the house.

Naturally there are cries of how unfair it all is to Bobby Bowden in the same Florida newspaper:

NCAA is levying cruel and unusual punishment by making Bobby Bowden forfeit victories

If indeed FSU does have to forfeit a significant number of football victories, Bobby Bowden’s legacy sadly becomes tainted. Bobby is currently one victory behind Joe Paterno on the all-time wins list. If numerous victories are forfeited, it would all but end Bobby’s chances of becoming the all-time winningest coach in major college football history.

It would be a shame if Bowden has to end of his brilliant career soiled by the stink of this investigation.  Especially when you know he had absolutely nothing to do with this academic scandal.

A fair point, but the thing is that Bowden no doubt got some benefit from players remaining eligible to play because of academic fraud, so the victories are indeed tainted.  That’s not to say Coach Bowden had anything whatsoever to do with the problems, but the NCAA is punishing the university as a whole, and sadly a good man is caught up in a bad situation.

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44 Responses to FSU Football and Hoops Get Four Years NCAA Probation

  1. hoop 03/06/2009 at 9:28 PM #

    All this left me wondering if there were an objective review of the “scandal” with Valvano at NC State. Athletes selling tickets and shoes is a very small violation in my book. And then of course there was the point shaving scandal. Seriously, is there an objective review of this stuff? It seemed like all the media wanted to vilify Valvano. I’m wondering how this stacks up to our “violations” and punishment.

  2. redfred2 03/06/2009 at 9:56 PM #

    hoop, the so-called “point shaving scandal” was NOT part of that whole thing.

    The lead investigator for the NCAA said, and I loosely quote, that he “would be very proud to have his son play BB in Coach Valvano’s program.” Now, does all of the crapola that a certain “writer”, as well as what certain individuals have convinced themselves to believe and spewed forth on this site, does that reasoning really jive with what the NCAA’s lead man said after reviewing and submitting his tennis and ticket findings?

    Believe whatever, and whomever, you wish, but it was NC State University itself, that turned some minor infractions into it’s own reason to curl up and die.

  3. 61Packer 03/06/2009 at 10:14 PM #

    Forfeits? Does this mean we’ll have a retroactive winning season in football last season? Dang.

  4. Wufpacker 03/06/2009 at 10:20 PM #

    ^^ “Believe whatever, and whomever, you wish, but it was NC State University itself, that turned some minor infractions into it’s own reason to curl up and die.”

    Sad but true. The “powers-that-be” at NCSU at the time could not stick the knife in Valvano’s back and twist fast enough. Not to mention sacrificing the once proud basketball program as whole in order to achieve that end.

  5. redfred2 03/06/2009 at 10:24 PM #

    Also hoop, Jim Valvano was upsetting the “natural balance’ back then, the same “natural balance” even as we see it very much controlled and kept in check to this very day. Which was upsetting a certain BB coach, who BTW smoked frequently and has a rather large nose, but a coach who also had direct inroads to the local media because his university pumped it full of like-thinking “journalists”. So, it’s really not a very complicated scenario. But then again, it was very complicated, especially when you add in some totally spineless NCSU administrators, the “watch as we roll over and give easy access our most venerable parts’ type, who were nothing more than mere “yes” men and pawns in a game that was too big for their tiny minds. Then you realize that a BB coach with Jim Valvano’s talent and personality didn’t stand a snowball’s chance of being at any university anywhere in the ACC, or even anywhere within the states of NC, SC, or Va, regardless of the university.

  6. redfred2 03/06/2009 at 10:42 PM #

    ^^^late correction… “his tennis (shoe) and (game) ticket findings?”

  7. redfred2 03/06/2009 at 11:24 PM #

    “Nine other programs were also penalized — baseball, men’s track and field, women’s track and field, men’s swimming, women’s swimming, men’s basketball, women’s basketball, softball and men’s golf…”

    ^Men’s basketball???!!!

    Hey, wait just a dang minute, does this mean that maybe, just maybe, there is a possibility that we might be hanging some sort of a late banner in the RBC here shortly?

    Somebody, PLEASE, get right on that for me, would ya!!!

  8. redfred2 03/07/2009 at 12:32 AM #

    Cheating while taking an on-line music course. Hmmm, kinda makes you wonder if they were having to cheat in other courses as well? You know, the easy ones too, not just hard stuff like that on-line music thingy.

  9. Dr. BadgerPack 03/07/2009 at 7:43 AM #

    I invite my students to cheat. Heck, most everything is open book/open note anyway. Then again, I write exams such that if you NEED to cheat or look everything up, you won’t possibly pass.

  10. TheCOWDOG 03/07/2009 at 8:39 AM #

    You know what they say Dr.

    “If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’.”

    Further, “It ain’t cheatin’, unless you get caught.”

    BTW, I’ve been meaning to ask you if you’ve ever heard of the HAPPY SCNAPPS COMBO up there in Madison.

  11. BladenWolf 03/07/2009 at 9:16 AM #

    You mean to tell me all those Semi-hole All-American linbackers, wide receivers, and running backs weren’t brain surgeons too?

    I can’t believe it.

    Maybe PaBowden can help JuniorBowden with play calling as an assistant coach now…

  12. Dr. BadgerPack 03/07/2009 at 9:19 AM #

    Cowdog- No, haven’t heard of the Happy Schnapps Combo. Then again, I mainly went to only two places- State Street Brats and Brothers. (I assume you are referencing booze.)

    It is also the only place I have taught where at least 50% of the class would be hungover at 11am on a mid-week day.

  13. redfred2 03/07/2009 at 10:13 AM #

    ^Sounds possibly like a band to me.

  14. TheCOWDOG 03/07/2009 at 12:03 PM #

    Redfred…you got it.

    These guys are famous up there. I was friends out in Ca. with the group founder
    Jim Krueger.

    He wrote the Packer anthem “The Bears Still Suck.”

    Also wrote “We Just Disagree” when he played with Dave Mason.

    They are based out of Mannatowac. Jim’s bro still plays, but Jim passed away several yrs. ago.

    Good time band with lots of polka thrown in.

  15. Noah 03/07/2009 at 4:49 PM #

    It’s an absolutely disgusting gesture by the NCAA. It basically says, “Go ahead and cheat. We don’t care. Try not to get caught and embarrass all of us though.”

    FSU should have been forced to give up at least 10 scholarships a year for the duration of the probation, fined heavily, and be off of TV and out of the post-season in all sports for at least two years.

    Academic fraud cuts across the very essence of why the college exists and should be dealt with accordingly.

    The NCAA douche-nozzles who came up with this bull crap should be relegated to the trash heap.

  16. TheCOWDOG 03/07/2009 at 7:27 PM #

    ^
    Did you read my Bob Dylan post? I don’t think anybody got it.

    Hell yes Noah, they should have lost rights to NCAA
    tourneys and BCS bowl games.

    Maybe, just maybe, suedo integrity can be restored in suedo amature sports again. I think not.

    Hell, I just had to check myself on Google ’cause my spelling of amature didn’t look right. Ya’ll try it.

    That’s why I rolled over again with the shit eatin’ grin I carry when I don’t get them, but I get it.

  17. redfred2 03/07/2009 at 9:39 PM #

    Noah, I repeat…

    Boys, boys, don’t be too quick to judge, these are extremely stiff penalties when considering this is The Politically Correct/Watered Down/NBA’s Bitch/Can’t Figure They’re Causing Their Own Problems By Letting EVERYTHING Get TOTALLY Out of Hand Before They Even Lift a Finger to Prevent It in the First Place/and THE NEW NCAA/In-Depth Investigative Body ONLY.

  18. Noah 03/07/2009 at 10:36 PM #

    I don’t know what political correctness has to do with anything.

    The NCAA has become a parody of itself. Alabama has a COACH (not a booster…a coach) hand a HS coach $50,000 for a defensive tackle and they got NOTHING.

    FSU has 60 athletes cheating on every single class for years and they got NOTHING.

    And then some bullcrap paper has the audacity to whine about how this will affect Bowden’s fictitious chase of Joe Paterno?

    Does anyone really believe either Bowden or Paterno has SQUAT to do with football anymore? *I* am far more involved with the playcalling at PSU than Paterno is.

  19. TheCOWDOG 03/07/2009 at 11:48 PM #

    ^Does anyone?

    Hell yes.It’s painfully obvious.

    I’m not privy to practices or staff meetings at FSU or PSU, but I would be very sure of myself if I said Bowden and Paterno are as relevant as say…oh, Woody Hayes.

    I’m frickin’ serious, type the word amature in a google search and maybe ya’ll will understand the way of the present.

    Doesn’t mean I’m not concerned…just find it laughable.

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