Day of roster changes for Wolfpack BBall (3/24 Update @ 12pm)

RALEIGH, N.C. – NC State head men’s basketball coach Sidney Lowe has announced that redshirt juniors Brandon Costner and Trevor Ferguson will forego their final year of eligibility, and not return to the Wolfpack in 2009-10.

Joe Giglio at ACCNow has a more on the roster changes at this link. He also discusses the Wolfpack’s new recruit – Josh Davis – that was already being discussed in our comments section.

Davis, a 6-5 forward, is a “tweener,” Telep said, who will add frontcourt depth for the Wolfpack, which lost Costner, a versatile forward who decided to go pro on Monday.

“They added a really nice player, with great character, who wanted to be a part of the program,” said Telep, who has Davis rated as a two-star prospect.

Additionally, Ken Tysiac added the following:

Davis averaged 25.7 points and 12 rebounds per game this season as a senior. He had been considering UNC Wilmington and had scholarship offers from Gardner-Webb and High Point. Seton Hall’s staff also wanted Davis to make a campus visit, Clemons said.

“He’s always wanted to go (to N.C. State),” Clemons said. “He always talked about N.C. State. That was his school. He worked hard enough, and was able to get an offer.”

Clemons said Davis can score on the block as a power forward and is skilled enough to play small forward.

As our readers pointed out in the comments section, there are some pros and cons to offering/accepting Davis’ commitment. I must admit I am a little perplexed by the use of the scholarship and also a little concerned at the message of potential desperation that the scholarship sends. To be very clear – I KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – but, the addition of a local kid (Athens Drive HS) that is clearly not ACC caliber talent could potentially mean that the use of the scholarship is ‘flexible’. I can only hope that *potentially* Davis gets to use the scholarship as long as the program does not need it for another, highly-rated player in this class or the future.

By all accounts, Davis is kid of high character who wanted to be a part of the program. He loves NC State and exhibits true heart and passion on the court. (Certainly something that has been lacking from our program for a long time). He averaged over 25 points a game in high school and was considered as good or better of a player than the two ‘stars’ in his conference – Earnest Ross (Auburn signee) and Garrius Adams (Miami signee).

Davis is described as a very athletic, but undersized ‘hustle player’ akin to a Simon Harris &/or Johnny Thomas (who is already on the Wolfpack’s roster). He has been recruited to play the wing forward position at State.

But, at 6’5 he not a ‘tweener’ for the only position that existing skills set supports – power forward – as his outside shooting is weak. There seems to be some debate if Seton Hall was truly looking at Davis and it appears that State ‘beat’ Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern and High Point for Davis.

There is most definitely a fit for a Josh Davis within NC State’s Basketball program; but, I am not necessarily convinced that there is an ideal fit for Josh Davis within the current state of the Wolfpack’s program with the current composition of our roster and scholarship spacing. In light of Johnny Thomas’ presence on the roster and sophomore status, it is fair to ask the question if we have ‘over-recruited’ the ‘undersized, high character, sleeper role on the wing’. As one of our readers said, “I hope someone knows more than anybody else here or gets this kid on the juice but this seems strange even by our standards.”

Much is made about State’s struggles and needs at the point guard position…and, Ryan Harrow may be scheduled to arrive in Raleigh one year too late for Coach Lowe. But, I see an even more glaring deficiency on the Wolfpack’s roster after the departure of Brandon Costner – NC State desperately needs some size, heft and toughness in the post. Despite the addition of Richard Howell in the 2009 recruiting class, an ‘ideal’ candidate for one of the Wolfpack’s remaining scholarships would be a junior college big man – preferably a true center of close to 7 feet – who can defend, block shots and rebound. Additionally, this would be ideal for current and future scholarship spacing needs.

Of course, there is still a very small chance that NC State pulls a rabbit out of the hat and can land the nation’s top remaining recruit, John Wall. Wall’s presence may not only help boost next season’s performance, but it would also send a message to other top recruits that NC State is a place to be. (Not to mention its potential impact on re-solidifying CJ Leslie’s commitment. Oddly, landing Wall may not only be great for next year’s performance, but also for the importance of long term spacing of scholarships for the program.

Looking Forward
If State is unable to ultimately land John Wall, I agree with Giglio’s assessment of next season’s line-up:

On paper, State’s starting lineup looks like: Javier Gonzalez at the point, Brown at the 2-guard, C.J. Williams at small forward, Howell at the 4 and Smith at center.

Off the bench State has guards Julius Mays, Farnold Degand and Wood. At forward, Dennis Horner and Johnny Thomas are the other returning scholarship players, plus Davis.

Additionally, Ken Tysiac has added a great blog entry about the Wolfpack’s prospects next year that can be seen here.

When you look at the roster the Wolfpack has returning, it’s impossible to deduce that the team will be better off without Costner and reserve guard Trevor Ferguson, who also is leaving.

[snip]

As a whole, this roster will not scare North Carolina when it gets off the bus next season at the Smith Center. Against the rest of the ACC, N.C. State might hold up OK because there is a lot of backcourt talent leaving from the traditional middle-of-the-pack schools.

Toney Douglas, Tyrese Rice and Jack McClinton all were seniors, and Maryland’s Greivis Vasquez has already announced his intention to test the NBA waters.

But hoping the competition falls back to N.C. State’s level is not a where the Wolfpack hoped to be in Sidney Lowe’s fourth season.

Coach Sidney Lowe’s incoming recruiting class might turn out to be his best yet. But the members of his past classes will be sophomores and juniors next season comprising the bulk of N.C. State’s roster. Lowe’s initial difficulties gaining a foothold as a recruiter after coming to N.C. State from the NBA look like they will come home to roost next season.

Projected 2009-2010 NC State Basketball Roster

Senior Class
(1) Dennis Horner (F)
(2) Farnold Degand (PG)

Junior Class
(3) Javi Gonzalez (PG)
(4) Tracy Smith (4F)

Sophomore Class
(5) Johnny Thomas (Wing)
(6) Julius Mays (PG/SG)
(7) CJ Williams (Wing)

Freshman Class
(8) Scott Wood (Wing)
(9) Lorenzo Brown (PG/SG)
(10) Richard Howell (PF)
(11) Josh Davis (WF)
(12/13) Potential scholarships still available

2010 Commits
(12) Ryan Harrow (PG)
(13) CJ Leslie (hopeful)
(1) Departure of Dennis Horner if no other scholarships issued for 2009 class
(2) Departure of Farnold Degand if no other scholarships issued for 2009 class

2011 Commits
(1) Departure of Javi Gonzalez
(2) Departure of Tracy Smith

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217 Responses to Day of roster changes for Wolfpack BBall (3/24 Update @ 12pm)

  1. Afterglow 03/24/2009 at 6:12 PM #
  2. Greywolf 03/24/2009 at 6:16 PM #

    wolfmans brother.
    March 24th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
    “Yes, because bitching is more productive than abject complacency.”
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    If bitching was productive, NCSU would have won NCs in football, basketball, baseball AND have a new AD. 😉

  3. Greywolf 03/24/2009 at 6:27 PM #

    Regarding Josh Davis, we’ll not know how he will play in the ACC but one thing is for sure, I didn’t collect 10 boards in an All-Star game standing flat-footed at 6-5 and get those kind of boards. The youngman has got some hop. This day and time is it surprising that the recruiting services haven’t heard a lot about him since he didn’t play AAU ball.

  4. transylvania 03/24/2009 at 6:40 PM #

    It’s sad to me that the only year BC shone was when he had a pretty good point guard (Engin) running set plays for him. Ever since then, he’s been a phantom. Does anyone else find it ironic that the main position Sid cannot seem to recruit is the one he excelled in?

  5. Greywolf 03/24/2009 at 6:48 PM #

    If Oblinger doesn’t give a shit, how is withholding from the WPC going to make any difference? Are you folks clear that as far as Oblinger is concerned, we can play without scollies. I have some advice for all of you who think you can push Obinger and the BOT around: It is easier to ride a horse in the direction he’s going in. Watch OLmen on Sunday locking onto DLinmen and taking then in the direction they are going in. All this pushing to go in a different direction sounds good on internet message boards, but the University still operates the old fashion way within the generally accepted rules of governing faculty even if coaches are not technically faculty. Don’t bring up Amato as any kind of example about losing his job because of not winning. Amato set himself up to be unemployed with the way he represented the University. The opposite is why… oops. Can’t post about him.

  6. Greywolf 03/24/2009 at 6:54 PM #

    transylvania
    March 24th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
    “It’s sad to me that the only year BC shone was when he had a pretty good point guard (Engin) running set plays for him. Ever since then, he’s been a phantom. Does anyone else find it ironic that the main position Sid cannot seem to recruit is the one he excelled in?”
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    Not at all. There must be 300 D-I coaches after the PGs of the caliber to play in the ACC and every coach wants at least 3 of them at all times. I find it ironic that it took so long for that obvious cheap shot to happen.

  7. wolfpackattack89 03/24/2009 at 6:56 PM #

    Seth Curry to NCSU??? It seems far fetched.

  8. howlie 03/24/2009 at 7:06 PM #

    “6′6 – 6′7 depending on who you ask. Not much of a jumpshot or handles.
    Superior Athleticism and Agressive Rebounding.”

    A skinny KENNY INGE?

  9. Afterglow 03/24/2009 at 7:15 PM #

    “6′6 – 6′7 depending on who you ask.”

    He’s listed at 6’5″ 180lbs on. I suppose he could have grown since then.

    The reality is, we really won’t know anything about any of the players until we see them play wearing red and white.

    As for the Seth Curry thing; it’s intriguing but even if he did decided to run with the pack, he would have to sit out for a year-so he wouldn’t be the immediate help that we need.

  10. transylvania 03/24/2009 at 7:18 PM #

    Even if Josh Davis ends up being the second coming of Tom Gugliotta, this move just smells of desperation right now.

  11. Afterglow 03/24/2009 at 7:33 PM #

    My guess (since he can now do it all over again) is that Seth Curry will sign with VT. His dad Dell went there. Initially, VT was a little reluctant with Seth Curry even after his brother took Davidson to round eight in the NCAA Tournament. So Seth decided to go to Liberty instead where he could get more playing time. One could contend that he may not want to re-visit the idea due to VT’s tepid response in the first place but having had his dad go there may negate that last point.

    A lot of this is speculative supposition.

  12. Wulfpack 03/24/2009 at 7:36 PM #

    VT is apparently all out of schollies, so he’d have to pay his own way. Who knows where he will end up but the kid can play. He’s got “it” in his genes.

  13. wufpup76 03/24/2009 at 7:45 PM #

    Seth Curry needs to come here so that we can see Sonya at the games …

    This thread has officially reached surrealism.

  14. kyjelly 03/24/2009 at 7:59 PM #

    Greywolf have you ever seen one of these all star games? Hell they just fire the ball up you can stand flatfooted at the top of the key and get 10 rebounds. They don’t play De and the only rule you should follow is never take the ball out of bounds because you will never see it again.

  15. turfpack 03/24/2009 at 8:08 PM #

    Whoop-the fricking-do Everybody knows more than everybody else about the situation. Basketball-Whatever…
    Hows spring football going?-I hope to know after TOB’S coaches camp-details later…….

  16. Afterglow 03/24/2009 at 8:15 PM #

    I played in Pop Warner.

    I remember coming back from the first practice telling my dad I needed a drinking vessel. He laughed, brought me down to the sporting goods store and pointed to the wall of athletic supporters and said, “Pick your cup.”

  17. redfred2 03/24/2009 at 8:16 PM #

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  18. Ed89 03/24/2009 at 8:17 PM #

    A couple of two star recruits for all the recruiting “experts” on this blog:

    PG NR Jack McClinton
    (South Kent School)
    South Kent, CT -/- Committed to Siena

    SG NR Tyrese Rice
    (Lloyd C. Bird HS)
    Chesterfield, VA 6-0/165/27.0 Committed to Boston College

    SG NR Seth Curry
    (Charlotte Christian School)
    Charlotte, NC 6-0/155 Committed to Liberty

    These guys are “stars” now. A low rating can easily be attributed to the fact he did not play much AAU ball, and that is what 90% of scout and rivals go by when they “grade” players. Another reason he didn’t get alot of attention is that he WANTED to come to State. He DIDN’T want to go to VCU or ODU or UNCW, so he probably didn’t pay much attention. I would add that head to head against Middle Creek and Garrius Adams on 2/20, Davis had 27 pts, and Garrius Adams had 8 points. On 2/10, Davis had 31 and Adams had 19, and on 1/13 Davis had 27 and Adams had 22 points. I don’t know the rebounding stats, but not only does that show that the guy MORE than held his own against a fellow D-1 recruit, he improved each time. That’s 85 points in 3 games against a D-1 player.

    Give the guy a chance before you talk about Coach Lowe being desperate or any other unfounded accusation. I’d rather have a guy who WANTS TO RUN WITH THE PACK, gives 110% and improves each game, than a 5 star who fades into oblivion thinking the world owes him a free trip to the NBA. Those are the players who make everyone better everyday in practice, too. Josh, we’re looking forward to you making both Scout and Rivals look like “one-star” recruiting analysts!!

  19. Greywolf 03/24/2009 at 8:19 PM #

    “We are ripping the staff for not understanding how to properly construct a roster and space scholarships.”
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    Well now, that explains it.

  20. Afterglow 03/24/2009 at 8:29 PM #

    I would imagine that the only thing that counts when considering Lowe, is our success with two star players. No one can argue that the sleepers are out there. And no one can argue that the rating system is not a perfect one. Sheridan was the king at evaluating talent; bringing in the two star recruits and re-establishing them as stars when they left. Tom O’Brien may very well fall into that category as well-he’s proven it in some ways with the players that he currently has. I don’t see the history there with Lowe. He hasn’t shown me that Farnald Degand is a sleeper, that Marquis Johnson was a sleeper, that Bartos or even (and to some this may be going out on a ledge) Javi is a sleeper. Show me where Lowe has displayed that he is a good evaluator of talent and I’d probably be more with you on this one.

  21. redfred2 03/24/2009 at 8:30 PM #

    IX

  22. Ed89 03/24/2009 at 8:37 PM #

    I personally think all 3 of our Freshmen, CJ, Mays, and JT will continue to improve, and all three will contribute in the coming years, though none were 4 star recruits. I also think Javi has shown alot of improvement. You can never tell with Bartosz. The guy has gotten a medical hardship. He may have turned into a very capable big man in the ACC. It’s unfair to say he was a bust, when it was because of a medical issue. Farnold could have gone either way, but I’m starting to agree that he isn’t living up to his potential. Johnson, I agree was not an ACC caliber PG or SG or SF. Hey, you win some, you lose some.

  23. turfpack 03/24/2009 at 8:38 PM #

    Somebody’s going to feel really foolish next year.

  24. Ed89 03/24/2009 at 8:43 PM #

    I just saw a good video clip of Davis. Do a search on youtube, or check out Wolfpack Hoops. He’s got good hops and looks every bit of 6’6″/205. Looks like he’s grown a good bit in the last year.

  25. redfred2 03/24/2009 at 8:58 PM #

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