A Shitty End to a Shitty Season

Maryland 74, NC State 69. That’s your final. Don’t let the margin let you believe that NC State played well, smart, or with any enthusiasm or sense of urgency.

Here is Sidney Lowe’s program in a nutshell – the only guy who consistently played hard and as if he had a brain in his head was Julius Mays. The only guy who even looked for his shot in the last 10 minutes. You remember him, don’t you? He’s the guy who hasn’t played in the last 9 or so games. Yep, that’s a program on the rise. Sure. Repeat it until you believe it, if it makes you sleep better.

After racing out to a 21-8 lead, NC State laid down and died. I don’t remember Maryland taking a tough shot the entire second half. Is Maryland a great team with multiple players that can create offense? Fuck no. One decent player and a bunch of stiffs who might do one thing halfway decently.

Still, the Terps did occasionally miss in the second half. And they got the damned rebound every. Single. Time. Is Maryland a big, athletic team with an NBA-caliber frontcourt? Fuck no. They start four guards and one undersized power forward.

This NC State team will not make the NIT. It may make the CBI or College Insider tourney. Who fucking cares. If this “effort” is all they had to give for such a critical ACC tournament for the program…I don’t want to see them play anymore this season.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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118 Responses to A Shitty End to a Shitty Season

  1. Wulfpack 03/12/2009 at 9:47 PM #

    Sidney Lowe got taken behind the woodshed tonight. He looked clueless, played perplexing lineups, and now we only have the proverbial “next year” to look forward to.

    Julius Mays sits 9 games, then plays 75% of the the most crucial game of the season, and plays very very well. So, coach, why did Mays sit those none games? No comment.

    All I can say is — trainwreck. You saw it in plain viewing tonight. Let’s hope this crop of freshmen coming in really are all world. Otherwise, next year is Sidney’s last. Laugh at me all you want. But if we finish 10th place and fail to make the NCAA tournament for the FOURTH straight year, after FIVE consecutive, he’s toast.

  2. redfred2 03/12/2009 at 9:49 PM #

    X

  3. McLovin 03/12/2009 at 9:50 PM #

    Circle September 3rd on your calendar now…

  4. dtwncsu 03/12/2009 at 9:51 PM #

    Sid is the man that will the job done. Ben has been the only uperclassmen to play like he cared. The young guys like the way Sid makes changes. The young guys look confident while Fells and Brandon look like they are in a daze. I think we will be at least five wins better next season.

  5. UpstateSCWolfpack 03/12/2009 at 9:54 PM #

    Why wait another year, make a change now. Pull the fraking trigger, and hire Sean Miller.

  6. redfred2 03/12/2009 at 9:59 PM #

    X

  7. Wulfpack 03/12/2009 at 9:59 PM #

    Yes, dtwncsu, the young guys played like All Stars tonight. CJ Williams was a flame thrower. Horner defended with tenacity, valued the ball, shot the three well and collected every rebound in his territory. Smith was a horse. Javi played like Mark Price. Degand screwed up before the season’s mos important game. I’ll give you Mays. Great game! Too bad he was riding the bench for 1/3 of the season. But, of course, blame Mays by all means.

    If you don’t detect my sarcasm, my apologies. I’m in no mood for the excuses. Sidney Lowe has been the coach of our basketball team now for three full seasons. I am going to ask the question, when is it appropriate for us to begin holding him accountable? Have you ever thought for a moment, that maybe, just maybe, the problem this past three years hasn’t been just the players? Maybe, just maybe, the coach and his staff has something to do with it as well. Just a thought.

  8. WolfEyes 03/12/2009 at 10:04 PM #

    BJD95, I think NC State basketball died when Jimmy V was let go. We will be cursed for at least as long as the Red Sox were!

  9. Wulfpack 03/12/2009 at 10:06 PM #

    Red, we’ve been hearing about the new guard and the “up-tempo” offense for the better part of two years now. Yet tonight, we looked like Princeton against an average team at best. But hell, I’m with you, this isn’t about an offense or a “system” or a style of play. This is all about pride. We’ll see real quick next year if this last three years really was more of a reflection on the guy who brought in the core of the team, or the guy currently leading the program. From what I saw tonight, I honestly am not very optimistic. But that’s just me, or could it also be the thousands of fans that also chose not to show up to the RBC this year?

  10. wufpup76 03/12/2009 at 10:07 PM #

    ^I think everyone has pretty much covered it above.

    Thank you seniors and whoever else may be leaving for your efforts. I have a feeling that possibly more than just seniors could be leaving (and I’m not even referring to Costner).

    Javi and Tracy looked apoplectic toward the end and I can’t blame them – strange patterns. Hats off to Mays for playing like that after not playing in 9 years.

    I don’t know if Sidney Lowe could ever beat Gary Williams so long as Williams has even 25% of the talent Lowe has. That was a complete ass whipping. Absolutely NO attack of the zone … yes coach, we know – it’s all on the players to blah blah blah. All you can do is tell them. Got it.

    Agree with the sentiment that we shouldn’t really be surprised. I was upset for a few minutes after the game then completely phased it out. This team did what it did … it was certainly better than last season, but could’ve been a whole lot better.

    Well the negativity and pessimism will be out in full force for next season, and who can blame anyone who feels like that? I hard guarded optimism once I saw us play earlier this season, but after what we just witnessed with the thorough outcoaching and the yo-yo lineups it kinda leaves you feeling confused and wrong.

    It will be fully on Sidney Lowe, the staff, and players to actually PROVE something for a change instead of relying on the old standby of Pack fan hope. No getting excited early for me next season. No saying “Maybe” … it’s time to prove something. I don’t care what the roster looks like or what it “will” look like, it’s make or break. Sure, there was some improvement – but who honestly is revved up and ready for next season to get here?

    Sidney will either remove all doubt or we’re right back into “Herb-world” where half the people want him gone, a quarter are indifferent, and a quarter are believers / defenders at all costs. Except this time we’ll lose even more fans … there will be even more apathy.

    I will still go if I can and I will still cheer … I will even support the coach and I will still give praise or criticism when either are due. But I will not be optimistic. I will not believe anything good is happening until AFTER it happens. This bullshit of “Hang in there – IT WILL HAPPEN!” is over. It happens or it doesn’t.

    The shame of it all is that we will have a clear answer next season and if it happens to be negative it’s likely nothing will happen. That’s what happens when there is complete mismanagement at the top of a performance based program. Yeah, your dollar figures look good – but they won’t for long buddy.

    Sh*t. What else is there to say?

  11. statered 03/12/2009 at 10:08 PM #

    Mays looked good tonight because they were in a half court zone and no one was pressuring him. In a tight man to man he does not look so great. Maryland was not playing a 2-3, they were playing a 3-2/1-2-2. Our only hope is that the guys coming in next year are good because the three that are leaving aren’t. Sadly we still won’t have a decent point next year.

    Lee Fowler has absolutely got to go. He is an abject failure.

  12. choppack1 03/12/2009 at 10:10 PM #

    I don’t have any answers – I’m just disgusted.

    Be interested to see what happens next year. Javi and/or Mays has to be confused – they come in, make shots don’t dribble into the corner, seem to follow the rules, and one of them rides the pine while the other splits time w/ a kid who doesn’t play by the rules, makes awful decisions, dribbles into the corner, and misses his outside shots.

    Tracy Smith has to think – WTF?

    I can’t understand it. I really have no clue. It’s entirely possible the Treacherous 3 are such a collective cancer they bring down the team. But isn’t it strange they kind of morphed into that? Compare their first year w/ someone to their last – did they just make the decision to stop playing basketball and stop trying?

    Oh well, this time next year we should all know what the problem is. Heck, I can’t even get happy about the one silver lining, because your left wondering – why in the heck was he riding the bench? Why not play our two best ball handlers in the same backcourt at one time…

  13. Alpha Wolf 03/12/2009 at 10:38 PM #

    Thank you seniors and whoever else may be leaving for your efforts. I have a feeling that possibly more than just seniors could be leaving (and I’m not even referring to Costner).

    Well, I hope Brandon Costner has seen his last game in a Wolfpack uniform. All he does is stand around.

  14. ryebread 03/12/2009 at 10:44 PM #

    I watched the game tonight with a room full of close friends and Wolfpack fans. We have tickets and have watched most of the games together this year.

    When we were up 20-8 and Maryland switched to the zone, I said we were doomed. I also said that no lead was too big for this team. It was as predictable as the sun and it played out about like I expected.

    I thank the players for their efforts this year. For those who are leaving, I thank them for their time playing at NC State and wish them the best of luck in life.

    I think the BOT should hand Fowler his pink slip tomorrow. There’s no excuse for letting him stay. We can’t let him wreck the women’s program like he’s done with the men’s. It’s only fair to let a new AD bring in someone they believed in and also get a year to watch SL.

    If anyone can look at the performance of Fowler’s hires and defend him, then I would like to meet them and have a conversation. I’m sure the only way they’d be able to do it is with a discussion about being in the black and having such a low budget. That is a loser’s mentality.

    As for Lowe, next year just became do or die if it wasn’t already. If he doesn’t make the NCAAs, then he should be gone. We just wrapped up the third pitiful season in a row. He can’t (and shouldn’t) survive a fourth.

    I do not expect to see Harrow or Leslie in a NC State uniform. We should not keep Lowe just because of the promise that they might attend. They’re kids and kids can change their minds at the drop of a hat. We made that mistake with Herb when we knew he wasn’t the guy. We should learn from that.

    We’ll know before next year though whether Lowe will survive it. If he doesn’t make changes in assistants, then he’s not learned anything and will not make it. If he shakes up his staff, then maybe he makes it. The question is what kind of assistants could he really hire to come in here at this point. He’s behind the 8 ball.

    While I’d love to suggest that we should be proactive and try to cut our losses now, I just don’t see it happening. We need to do something about Fowler first (ANYBODY could see last year was the year to do it and we didn’t) because we can’t trust him to make another hire. The economy is bad and I do not think we have the money to buy out both an AD (how this man has a contract is beyond me) and a head coach in one year.

    @#($)*@#$

  15. articwolf 03/12/2009 at 10:45 PM #

    Who cares… I’m outta here

  16. articwolf 03/12/2009 at 10:48 PM #

    I’m not drinking another beer until we reach the ncaa tournament. That’s it. This Fat Tire is my last beer until the Wolfpack make the NCAA Tournament!

  17. sautz 03/12/2009 at 10:49 PM #

    ^^ Good post Ryebread.

  18. Alpha Wolf 03/12/2009 at 10:49 PM #

    ^ You’ll be thirsty for a long, long time.

  19. wufpup76 03/12/2009 at 11:04 PM #

    Well, time for a “Life goes on” post I guess …

    Btw, great game between Syracuse and UConn in the Big East quarters … It’s in double overtime and there have been some wild plays. It’s 86 all with just over a minute to play in the 2nd overtime.

  20. WestCoast 03/12/2009 at 11:19 PM #

    I’ll be on the phone with the Wolfpack Club tomorrow. If Lee Fowler is going to be around much longer, my 2009 “red white and you” payment just split in half. They will know why.

  21. Alpha Wolf 03/12/2009 at 11:20 PM #

    I will say one thing – in a recession this deep, Fowler is playing with fire if he seriously pisses off the rank and file donors. If those folks start abandoning their LTRs for basketball (where there is no binding contract to continue payments) and stop buying season tickets, they won’t be able to fill up Reynolds for men’s hoops much less the RBC.

    I already know people who are talking about doing it. Their attitude is if Fowler doesn’t give a damn about hoops as long as he gets the revenue from the program, then they are going to stop helping him.

    These are die-hard alumnae who give in the low five figures to the school every year when all is said and done. They say that they will not tolerate an athletic director with Wake Tech standards at NC State.

    Of course, their language was far saltier than that. Let’s just say that they think that JEd has Terminal Cranial-Rectal Inversion Disease.

  22. turfpack 03/12/2009 at 11:21 PM #

    I have been a State fan for 35yrs and I have no hope of living to see NCState ever win a ACCT again.
    This nitemare has to stop!The effort this group of upperclassmen gave was the worst looking SHIT I have ever seen in my life,if my players in H.S. play like that I would have sat them so long their ass would have termites.
    MY GOD, HAS THIS WHAT NCSTATE BB BECOME!
    FIRE LEE? HELL FIRE EVERYONE!
    The tradition is truly over-20yrs of hell-well I recon this is the price we pay for the miracle 83 season.
    How do you spell NCSTATE= E RAIL O VENT OR EASY WIN UNIVERSTIY.
    FOOTBALL OR BUST!

  23. ryebread 03/12/2009 at 11:26 PM #

    At this point, I do not think I will purchase tickets next year. This will be the first time in a long time.

    I’m tired of spending my money which by doing so just enables Lee to stay in the black and keep his job. I’m tired of “sell outs” and thousands upon thousands of empty seats. I’m tired of watching the AD sleepwalk through every appearance and just punch the clock. I’m tired of the proven track record of awful moves with no accountability.

    I’ve decided that the ONLY thing the BOT cares about is the bottom line. It’s time for me to stop spending a dime on basketball. Maybe they’ll eventually get the hint.

  24. wufpup76 03/12/2009 at 11:31 PM #

    Please delete if necessary – I hate to go off topic here –

    but Syracuse and UConn are now in a 4th Overtime

    visions of Rodney Monroe are dancing in my head

  25. jeebs617 03/12/2009 at 11:32 PM #

    I have been an undying, unfaltering NC State Basketball fan my entire life.

    We’ve had season tickets every year at the ESA/RBC. I was there when we beat Georgia to open the building. I was there when Brian Keeter couldn’t quite make the shots to score 100 on UNC in the magical 8-win season of theirs. Hell, I remember Mean Gene and Slappy, and the time we beat Duke when it showed.

    The sad part? Those are my best memories of NC State basketball. I have that 20th Anniversary video of the ’83 team, and thats it. I got my picture taken with David Thompson at a women’s game once. My dad was an undergrad in ’74, and he was in Albuquerque that night in ’83. For nearly 20 years now, I have sat and waited for my Wolfpack to step back in to this top tier of basketball that I have heard so much about.

    I was born in 1989. Four months after the last ACC Title of any kind. Exactly a week after Personal Fouls came out. I know all about the history. I can imagine what it would be like to pull for a relevant team. Hell, my mom went to UNC. Trust me, I’m aware of what it’s like.

    For two decades years I’ve watched Les, Herb, and Sid struggle to do something with this team. Thats all I know of NC State basketball, and I’m fucking sick of it.

    If we ever want to become what we were, and what we deserve to be, now is the time we have to do something. Lee Fowler cares about as much for the health of our athletics department as Dick Baddour does. We need someone in here who cares, and is willing to man up and treat this program with the dignity its earned. Lee Fowler has no right to pilot this ship.

    Sidney, we love you. Nothing will change that. 1983 is an untouchable moment, and what you did for us then will carry on forever. But what you have done over the last three years, while a valiant effort, is not where we need to see this program going, and it’s time to do what’s best for Wolfpack Basketball. We’re sure you’ll understand.

    There is only one thing about NC State that is what it should be, and that’s us. The fans. I don’t care how much the administration insults us or the media derides us. We pay for this program, and god damnit we love and care about this program. Lee Fowler didn’t sell out Carter-Finley 8 years in a row, we did. Lee Fowler didn’t make us average in the top-15 in basketball attendance under Herb, we did. And we, more than anyone else, deserve to be listened to.

    So, Chancellor Oblinger, please listen to us.

    Bring back the NC State we all love.

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