North Carolina “infested with street agents”

The Washington Post is doing a fascinating three part series on the fall of Maryland basketball. In part two, this is a quote that stood out:

Tony Squire, who coached Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen in AAU, said the state of North Carolina has become “infested with street agents,” adding that “there is no question it has changed. What is happening now, the kids are changing and people are running around now offering kids stuff. Nowadays, if somebody comes in with some money, ‘You come play with us and you don’t have to worry about anything coming from your pocket.’ ”

On not hiring Michael Beasley’s AAU coach:

Asked whether Beasley would have followed him to Maryland, Hill said: “There was a great chance. I was involved with a lot of kids at the time and I know they had a lot of interest in Maryland. I just don’t understand why they didn’t go. . . . It astonishes me.”

Williams said Maryland could not pay an assistant coach a salary in that range. “To bring Beasley, it cost $450,000, for sure,” he said. “We know that. We didn’t have $450,000. So we are not going to get Beasley.”

Maryland also didn’t get two other D.C. Assault recruits — forwards Rodney McGruder and Wally Judge — who have signed with Kansas State for next season.

Malone said Hill was making only $60,000 in Charlotte at the time he was interested in Maryland and suggested it would not have taken nearly a half-million dollars to hire him.

Hopefully everyone got to read this article from Sunday’s News and Observer about John Wall:

Wall himself hardly comes across as naive about the recruiting game. Yes, Baylor showed interest in him before hiring Dwon Clifton, and “Dwon never told me he was going there,” he said.

So, the hiring wasn’t done to lure him to Baylor?

“Oh, I think it was,” Wall said. “You know, whichever AAU coach gets a job in college is hoping that he gets the point guard or the best player from that organization with him.”

I highly recommend reading this entire series (Part 3 yet to be published).

Link to Part I: A Shell of Its Former Self

Link to Part 2: A Whole New Ballgame That Williams Won’t Play

Basketball Recruiting General NCS Basketball

37 Responses to North Carolina “infested with street agents”

  1. Alpha Wolf 02/13/2009 at 11:02 AM #

    I knew when I saw the headline that the Cliftons would be prominently mentioned.

    As for street agents themselves, eventually a program that’s not established royalty is going to get itself in trouble because of it. Fortunately, Sid seems wise to that game and doesn’t play it. Me, I would rather lose 1000 blue chippers than take probation again.

  2. Clarksa 02/13/2009 at 11:06 AM #

    ^probation again? When did we get off probation?

  3. Daily Update 02/13/2009 at 11:09 AM #

    Alpha: After I published this I noticed you had something going up too. Sorry about that. This is very interesting series of links though. Hopefully most everyone will take the time to read all three of the links provided though it will take some time to read everything.

    Some of the more interesting, most indepth recruiting articles I have seen written.

  4. Alpha Wolf 02/13/2009 at 11:10 AM #

    ^ Good point, Clarksa. We’re still on double-secret probation. Our Chancellor and the Faculty Senate have directed it to be so.

    Daily, I redacted my article until 9pm tonight so yours will get the proper focus it deserves. It was previously scheduled to auto-publish, and you just beat the 11am wire, so I moved mine back. (For those who missed it, it’s about a really stupid rule change coming to CFB.)

  5. Tar Heel Fan 02/13/2009 at 11:36 AM #

    “really stupid” is wholly inadequate to describe the buffoonery of the proposed rule change you are talking about.

  6. BJD95 02/13/2009 at 12:35 PM #

    Very interesting series. One would like to admire GW, but the game is what it is. You have to play by the same set of rules as your competition, or you’ll get left in the dust.

  7. WolftownVA81 02/13/2009 at 12:58 PM #

    “At N.C. State, I think they’ve got to get a little bit better. I don’t see any way around that,” he said. “The personnel they have now, I can’t see them [running] baseline to baseline. They just can’t do it with the guys that they have.”

    Quote from Wall’s AAU coach that would seem to eliminate us. Our coaches may let him play the way he wants but at this point in time, he may not be the best fit for our program. Sounds like a repeat of the Hickson year (no disrespect to JJ – it just didn’t end up helping us in the long run).

    Great article though. Thanks Daily Update.

  8. MP 02/13/2009 at 1:11 PM #

    All the things that you wish didn’t exist. Something feels very familiar about this whole system. This has been around for a long time and I suppose it always will – schools/teams/coaches having to make tough decisions on how to manage a basketball program. It seems you could look back at any decade and find evidence of agents, schools hiring coaches to get specific players, literal payments to players, programs risking integrity to get ahead.

    It’s good to see the comment that Lowe is aware of all this and seems to be managing it with integrity. Hopefully the fact that he was coaching in the NBA for a number of years will provide him with some “credibility” to very talented recruits, without him having to completely sell his soul to gain an edge.

    Something tells me that most of us regular fans wouldn’t have the stomach to be an NCAA coach. Seems like a difficult job only for those who are truly suited to it.

  9. Daily Update 02/13/2009 at 1:17 PM #

    wolftownva81: You may be right, but Lo Brown sounds like a great players to be running up and down the floor with.

    http://www.accsports.com/articles/200902134755/spotlight-on-lorenzo-brown.php

    It is pretty much unanimous that he is going to make an impact immediately next year.

  10. Alpha Wolf 02/13/2009 at 1:21 PM #

    Quote from Wall’s AAU coach that would seem to eliminate us.

    That seems like it has been a foregone conclusion for quite some time to me.

    I think that our fans ought to face up to that reality now and go ahead and make peace with it so that they won’t be shocked or hurt when it happens.

  11. ktoh 02/13/2009 at 1:39 PM #

    I would rather suck than to stoop down that low. JJ was a one and done and frankly no matter how good he was we could have had the same record last season with or without him.

  12. wufpup76 02/13/2009 at 1:55 PM #

    Good find. Interesting read – thanks.

    I’m no fan of Gary Williams (and especially not of Maryland), but I do admire his stance on recruiting. Just reading that AAU section in Part II of the article makes my skin crawl … Disgusting. That said, he could probably do a better job in recruitment relationships, and like BJD said the game is what it is. I just hope it can get cleaned up somehow …

    And there’s no doubt in my mind I could ever have the stomach to be a coach at the college level like MP was saying. When is somebody from the media gonna do an expos-e on K-State recruiting … or Bob Thuggins for that matter. We’re still suffering from minor violations that nearly killed our program at a time just before the 24/7 coverage cycle where if you’re not making headlines you’re proably being left in the dust … excuse me for whining. But it makes my blood boil to think about stuff like that. (I know, I need to quit crying about how unfair it all seems.)

    Selected quotes:

    “In recent years, Williams has displayed a “total unwillingness to engage third-party aspects in recruiting, and that eliminates so many kids from consideration,” said a recruiting source intimately involved in the AAU scene who considers Williams one of the nation’s best coaches. “If the situation looks anything less than high school coach, kid and parent, Gary doesn’t even mess with it. It is so commonly known that he doesn’t like AAU guys.” … Right here with you on this, coach.

    “Regarding Malone, Williams said: “Don’t tell me Curtis Malone has the right to say whether Gary Williams is a good recruiter or not. I don’t want to hear about Curtis Malone. I know what he is,” a reference to Malone’s criminal record.”

    “I can bet you there are 50 other coaches who wouldn’t say that about Curtis Malone. I’m going down to Duke; Coach K loves Curtis Malone.” … Hi, I’m Curtis Malone. I talk about myself in the 3rd person. Curtis Malone loves money. Curtis Malone loves corrupting America’s youth and sending them to leaders of men like Coach K. Curtis Malone approves this.

    gahhhhh!!!!

  13. gopack05 02/13/2009 at 1:56 PM #

    John Wall coming to State will be a waste of time. He stated in the article he is a one and done. I dont want those kind of selfish players coming to NCSU – they will do nothing to contribute in the LR. Also – he more than likely will have academic issues and behavioral problems, as noted in the article. His “handlers” have already decided on Baylor, obviously.

  14. JeremyH 02/13/2009 at 1:56 PM #

    “the personnel they have now”

    as opposed to the personnel they will have next year? are we sure this subtly means Wall isn’t coming, I dunno. And I think Thomas, Degand, Mays, Williams, Brown, Wood are willing and able to run the baseline to baseline. Are there any articles on Richard Howell or big men we re in the hunt for?

  15. Noah 02/13/2009 at 2:33 PM #

    Basketball as a sport is dying a really horrible, slow death.

    For those of you just starting out families today, your kids, when they get to college, are going to be rather amused that you used to camp out for “basketball” tickets.

    “Really? People used to give a damn about that stuff?”

    Ultimately, it’s going to be choked to death by its own weeds. ABC is losing millions on its current basketball contract. They thought they’d make that up by having a market presence…but in this economy, you can’t have that kind of debt hanging around you.

    (if you believe Dick Ebersol, its about a $300 million loss)

    College basketball has lost its cash crop (players) to an absurd league that will probably devolve into a street-ball, three-on-three tournament.

    People will always play it, just like people will always play some variation of soccer. But as an industry, it’s sinking into the tarpits.

  16. Elrod 02/13/2009 at 2:36 PM #

    I didn’t really have much of an opinion one way or the other on these articles until I got to the end of the N&O article about John Wall. On two occassions at the end of the article, the writer points out that the Cliftons “pushed” Wall to WOG, seemingly against John’s mother’s wishes. Then the hypocrisy / greed alarm went off in my head. If there was ever a meal-ticket scenario being set up, it is here. While I think Gary Williams has a point about how some of these guys operate but has over-reacted, the Cliftons have done the very things that give the “traveling team” system a bad name. I would be curious to see what their relationship with John would be if he had a career-threatening injury tomorrow.

  17. Classof89 02/13/2009 at 3:15 PM #

    Part III of the series now up on the WaPo website:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/13/AR2009021302002.html?hpid=topnews

    from the article:
    “Terrence Jennings, a 6-foot-10, 225-pound forward from Sacramento, attended six high schools in five states in five years. He eventually committed to Maryland but did not qualify academically. One AAU source said Williams does not have the support system in place at Maryland to court a player in such dire need of academic assistance as Jennings, a five-star recruit who ended up at Louisville. ”

    snicker…you know, I think I’d rather suck for years then bring people like this into our program. I’ll let places like Louisville and Kansas State have these kinds of players.

    Also quoted in this article–slimebucket Sonny Vaccaro being, well, slimy…

  18. BJD95 02/13/2009 at 3:56 PM #

    Yes, everybody wave to our old friend Sonny!

  19. Noah 02/13/2009 at 4:00 PM #

    John Wall is eligible to go straight to the NBA. I’d have a lot of respect for him if he just went ahead and did that.

  20. Mike 02/13/2009 at 4:11 PM #

    I agree – I would much rather be mediocre with quality citizens than win with thugs.

  21. Daily Update 02/13/2009 at 4:14 PM #

    Noah: I don’t think Wall can go to the league without at least one year of college even with him being a 5th year prep kid. Or maybe you have to be one year removed from HS graduation and Wall hasn’t graduated yet.

  22. MP 02/13/2009 at 4:26 PM #

    After reading this article, I felt the same way that college basketball can choke due to the impact of money. This sport has been riding high for a long time and is probably about due for a fall anyway. However maybe that would be for the best if there is some substantial failure of the current recruiting/television/financial system so that some intellegent new rules could be put in place to build a healthy system. Such as – either commit to 3 years minimum or go pro out of high school.

    Really, is this too much to ask? When a kid is young he will start to choose the path that he is going to take. If he wants to prioritize basketball with the intent of going pro straight out of high school, so be it. He has the right to enter the marketplace. Just don’t force someone to pose on a college campus for a year. That is complete BS.

  23. john of sparta 02/13/2009 at 5:03 PM #

    could this be a Basketball Bubble?

    yes, big sports can dwindle and die.
    remember, the ACC had BOXING teams.
    (well, the first year)
    the Stanley Cup’s ratings are
    beaten by the National Spelling
    Bee and the Westminster Dog Show.
    …And now, a home-schooled Rookie 11-year-old
    from Sacramento, California…here’s YOUR
    Sanji “Sandy” Patel!!!

  24. Classof89 02/13/2009 at 5:10 PM #

    ^
    Wow, you learn something everyday…the ACC had BOXING its first year? Wow…did all the teams participate? How’d we do?

  25. highstick 02/13/2009 at 5:12 PM #

    Something that Noah and I totally agree on is where I think we are with college basketball. I guess I’m just a naive purist that believes in playing by the rules of basketball, recruiting with honor and above board methods, and still in the concept of a student athlete.

    It sickens me to watch the game now played although I truly love the sport. Noah’s right though, the younger generation loves this crap, but it keeps moving about as far away from the real game of basketball as college wrestling is to the NWA.

    Just think, we lost one opportunity to play in a Final Four because Beidenbach played in a pickup game with DT! It was petty then, but think about it in comparison to where we are now.

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