It’s National Signing Day

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Quote of the night from last night’s Wolfpack coaches’ comments on our recruiting class: “stars are like a bikini…they show a lot, but not everything.” Indeed.  Our coaching staff seems quite satisfied with our incoming class, and given their experience and history of taking players that are less-heralded and turning them in to solid football players, Wolfpack fans should be satisfied as well.

Some folks think of today as college football’s version of Christmas — National Letters of Intent are flowing into programs across the country as prep players make their commitments to the colleges where they will play their college football.  As of the time of this writing, NC State has received 26 NLIs from prospective players.

For more information regarding what a NLI implies, read here (pdf format)  Other interesting reading is the NCAA Eligibility Center’s website, located here.  Finally, the text of an NLI can be found here.

If you look at the “stars” that determine rankings of classes, State’s is relatively undistinguished: Rivals.com ranked it at #52, with zero five-star, two four-star, nineteen three-star and seven two-star athletes expected to come into the program.  Make no mistake, however, these rankings are only a little better than a guessing game and not necessarily a solid predictor of future success. Add to it the fact that NC State Head Coach Tom O’Brien and his staff have a solid reputation of taking under-rated classes and turning them into solid performers and many of his former players now play football for a living.  Mike Farrell or Rivals.com gives the class tepid marks, but he has to admit something that anyone who knows Tom O’Brien’s career knows: that he is a superb talent evaluator and that he recruits players into his system that are often overlooked by other coaches:

“I think State will be a little disappointed in being ranked behind Duke, but Tom O’Brien has a history of finding overachievers and players who are better than other people thought. On the surface, this doesn’t look like the best class. But I imagine this class has plenty of surprises. The State staff knows more than we know.”

Probably the best place to follow the action is Pack Pride.com or The Wolfpacker.com, the Scout and Rivals sites (respectively) devote to Wolfpack sports.

Some recruiting and signing day articles for you:

ACCsports.com: NC State Signing Day Snapshot

850 The Buzz National Signing Day interviews

Football Recruiting General Tom O'Brien

72 Responses to It’s National Signing Day

  1. ChiefJoJo 02/04/2009 at 10:31 PM #

    “There is no conclusive evidence that UNC’s ascendancy under Brown was due to their recruiting efforts.”

    I beg to differ. UNC still leads us in NFL players and it’s on the back on Browns efforts in the mid-late 90s… guys like Alge Crumpler, Vonnie Holliday, Bly, all the way to Peppers, who I think was recruited by Brown. The talent disparity would have overwhelmed Sheridan. As it was he got out and MOC took the brunt of it to the tune of seven straight losses (while I was in school… ugh!)

    Let’s be clear. Recruiting matters. It does not ensure success, but it makes success MUCH easier. As they say, there’s a reason Florida, Texas and USC are so good every year… they play in the three most talent rich football states in America by far. That said, TOB’s track record is very good (similar to Grobe) in showing he can develop talent… plus he is bringing in better players than his BC teams. This class seems like a “filler” class… fill in the holes on the roster with guys who will contribute. There may not be any ACC POYs, but will dot the two-deep in 3 years.

  2. wolfpack95 02/04/2009 at 10:43 PM #

    I agree; an individual’s talent does not always equal success on the field.

    Brown’s win-loss record shows success mostly against teams with barely winning records to losing records. The largest determinate in UNC’s mid 90’s success was in the lack of quality opposition. Brown’s recruiting in NC picked up when Sheridan and most of his staff departed Raleigh, but it never translated to a conference championship or a trip to the most coveted bowls, in what was then known as the Bowl Alliance.

    (BTW even UVA claimed at least one victory against FSU (1995) and a share of the ACC championship during that same period.)

  3. wolfpack95 02/04/2009 at 10:45 PM #

    I noticed this at the bottom of the Gopack.com article:

    Three players are no longer on the team. Wide receiver Geron James has decided to transfer, and quarterback Harrison Beck and defensive lineman Jamaine Clemmons will graduate this spring and not return to the team next fall.
    _____

    Thank God. Beck is gone.

  4. W0LFPack 02/04/2009 at 11:07 PM #

    I hate to bring it to this…WHO AM I KIDDING? NO I DON’T…

    Wake loses by 27 to Miami, who we beat.

    Duke loses to 27 to Clemson, who we played semi-alright.

    The ACC is not the best conference, nor does it have the top 3 teams in the land. Any given night, anyone can beat anyone in this league. NC State can still manage it’s way to 7 ACC wins..but more probable is a 6 win league record and an NIT berth. I’ll accept that, with the NCAA Tourney my goal next year.

  5. MatSci94 02/05/2009 at 12:18 AM #

    Some interesting comments on the radio today (99.9 and 850)

    Cutcliffe on “press conferences for kids and stunts with hats”
    “If someone we have targeted does something like this, I will ask him to withdraw us from consideration”

    Easy to say when you aren’t getting this type of recruit, but I was impressed with him having the guts to say something like this.

    TOB on Toney Baker
    “He looks as good as he has since we’ve been here”

    TOB on recruiting stars
    “I don’t care how many you have when you get here…you better be 5* when you leave”

  6. whitefang 02/05/2009 at 7:14 AM #

    Cutcliffe and Davis may be cut from the same mold:
    A close friend has a son who Duke brought down with the family for the weekend a few weeks ago for a bb game and to try to get him to consider a fb walk-on at Duke. Told them that they already had him thru admissions (he is really good student with great SAT and high rank) and think he will earn a scholly the next year. The kid has several offers from division II schools so the family is torn. Duke says we give 3 wo’s a year and 6 of the last 9 got offered after year one. Well the kid has an older brother who played div II and one currently playing for an SEC school so he has some genes. Anyway he decided on Duke, calls the coach Monday and says I am in. They say GREAT to have you as a Blue Devil, you made the right decision. Kid calls div II schools turns them down. Gets called TUESDAY night by Duke, who says sorry can’t get you thru admissions. Keep in mind kid is a top 10 student in a pretty big school. They believe what happened is they offered to 4 or 5 guys and liked one better. Now he has passed on schollies who were offered to other kids, missed national signing day and is generally screwed.
    Sorry for the story, but really pissed me off.

  7. Astral Rain 02/05/2009 at 8:28 AM #

    I still think we’ll be chopping wood next year, and we need to make 7 wins to get a bowl right? I think getting to 7 will be hard but not impossible.

    Maybe I’m more tempered in my expectations. I do think TOB is the right guy, and we’re getting there, but 1 year away from serious contention.

  8. vtpackfan 02/05/2009 at 8:44 AM #

    4 enrolled already-24 who will give it a shot- it’s just what the program needed after we were slipping into no man’s land of available scholarship athletes.

    Had to make a splash on D with quality & quantity and they achieved in this area- especially huge concers at DT,MLB and secondary.

    Congrat’s to the staff, another job well done the TOB/Petercuskie way and most of all congrat’s to the player’s and their families on the hard work and sacrafice rewarded. GO PACK-Can’t wait til April!

  9. Alpha Wolf 02/05/2009 at 9:19 AM #

    Apparently, the coaching staff feels very good about 2010 and they said that they have a four week head start with next year’s group.

    Things are definitely looking up in Wolfpack football.

  10. Mike 02/05/2009 at 9:25 AM #

    One other point about Sheridan and TOB. Sheridan may not have had 4 and 5 star recruits, but he and the staff TAUGHT/COACHED them into becoming good players. TOB has the same track record. His comment about 5 stars when they leave is perfect. This group may not get the headlines, but they will be solid, quality young men, learning the game the way it is supposed to be played.

  11. anti-smurf 02/05/2009 at 10:10 AM #

    I like this class – it’s solid, and will add to much needed depth. Would I have liked to have gotten more kids from NC? Sure, but I remember several analysts saying this year’s crop from NC wasn’t considered to be as good as last year’s (which we dominated), and are off to a great start with the 2010 class.

    Davis and Jame$ Blake can buy…I mean recruit…players very well. Great salesmen – if Ford, GM, Dodge were to hire them, perhaps they wouldn’t need a bailout…. But i digress. They are great recruiters, and I’m sure all the hype they got as “ACC Championship contenders” by the press, compared to all the criticsm our slow start garnered worked against us. We got some great momentum headed into the offseason, and a lot of questions have been answered. We are on the rise, and reruiting will come.

    As TOB says: I don’t care how many stars you have coming in, but you better be a 5* player when you leave!

    Love that!

  12. TomPack 02/05/2009 at 10:48 AM #

    Thanks for the “Curry Math” information…it reminds me of something that happened while I was in college in Pensacola. A bunch of us would get together in the dorm room and listen to different college football games on Saturday. The cool thing is that in Pensacola you could pick up Miami, Florida, FSU, Alabama, and Auburn games. While we were listening to a post game presser with Mack Brown after UNC had been pasted by FSU Brown was doing his usual “if it wasn’t for a few plays we would have been right there” tirades when suddenly one of the guys (who was from NY and could care less about UNC or FSU) suddenly yells “YEAH AND ALL OF THE PLAYS WERE FLORIDA STATE TOUCHDOWNS” at the radio after hearing enough. Needless to say we all lost it pretty good. Maybe the story loses something in the telling but it still brings a smile to my face that even a nuetral fan got tired of Mack Brown’s post game whah whah…

  13. Noah 02/05/2009 at 10:56 AM #

    A basketball player is much closer to physical maturity for his sport in high school than a football player is. Thus, easier to project.

    Additionally, the top basketball players all go to camps where they play against other top basketball players. Therefore, it’s easy to spot which guys stand out and which don’t.

    The top football players go to camps…but they’re surrounded by a bunch of people who aren’t D1 prospects. It has a tendency to make the top players look REALLY good, but harder to tell which ones are really superior.

    I saw Terry Hunter, Mike Mason and Jejuan Rankins at a Nike camp. You didn’t need to be told who they were. It was very obvious. But that doesn’t mean you could tell exactly HOW good they’d be in college…just that they were better than the others.

  14. BSIE80 02/05/2009 at 10:59 AM #

    Think the best football is played in the Southeastern Conference? The SEC, now 12 teams strong, leads all conferences with 754 players drafted. The Big Ten and Pac-10 are second at 649.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-04-21-draft-database-cover_N.htm

    The NFL draws talent from 628 NCAA schools at the Division I, II and III levels, plus NAIA and junior colleges. However, just 31 NCAA Division I schools generated nearly 50% of the 5,395 draftees.

    Despite what might be considered down years recently for traditional powers Penn State, Florida State, Notre Dame and Miami, there is no significant drop off in the number of draft picks from those schools.

    Miami, Va Tech, and Florida State are the only ACC schools mentioned with any significant draft picks. Guess what, 2 of the 3 are in the top 25 this year.

    Just some facts.

  15. GAWolf 02/05/2009 at 11:29 AM #

    Similarly, throughout the NFL season and even in the Super Bowl I commented to friends about all these players from tiny, unknown Universities. Clearly those guys weren’t highly recruited if recruited at all.

    It would be interesting to see what last years NBA rookie class (the guys who actually got minutes) looked like from a recruiting standpoint. As Noah points out, the prep basketball leagues are so widespread now that there’s hardly a chance a kid with superior ability slips through the cracks.

  16. JeremyH 02/05/2009 at 11:53 AM #

    why can’t it be signing day, every day

  17. PAJ 02/05/2009 at 12:15 PM #

    Physical maturity and the ability to make the adjustment play big roles. Some of the “stars” get to the next level after never really having to compete, and they can’t handle the pressure to perform. Likewise, the physicality of the game picks up as 18 year olds are suddenly dealing with grown men that have matured and been in the strength training programs. Some kids rise to the challenge, and others don’t.

  18. Noah 02/05/2009 at 1:08 PM #

    Usually, “unknowns” in basketball have special circumstances attached.

    – They played basketball outside the United States. See: Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Evtimov, Atsur, etc…

    – They hit an abnormal growth spurt at a late stage. See: David Robinson, Tim Gugliotta.

    – For whatever reason, they didn’t hit the summer camp circuit. See: Damon Thorton, Vinny Del Negro.

    It is entirely possible for a player to fall outside of these three categories. There have been cases where a guy had already reached his physical maturity, played high school in the US, went to camps, STILL got ranked #753 and then overperformed.

    They are just extraordinarily rare. The odds of you living off of those guys if you are a college coach are overwhelmingly against you.

  19. Noah 02/05/2009 at 1:20 PM #

    Conversely, in football, your performance for your high school team is critical to your chances of getting a scholarship. There is no AAU league. You can go to camps and get a scholarship (Tom O’brien feasts off of his camp. It’s also where we found Russell Wilson), but usually, you go with your entire team. I don’t think the coaches are allowed to be at the combines that Nike puts on anymore. (And if they aren’t going to allow them to attend, they ought to do away with them. They exist solely to get kids used to wearing Nike apparel.)

    The problem with accurate evaluations comes from the sheer number of players. There are 12 members of a basketball team. High school football squads have what…50 or 60? Before the high school summer camps showed up in basketball, a coach would have to go and watch a kid play to determine how good he was. You’d have a 6-7 kid playing against a bunch of 6-1 kids and you had to determine if the 6-7 guy’s skills would translate to college.

    Coaches have that problem in football today. You’ll have a 6-7, 300 pound tackle playing at a little school. How can you really tell if that guy is going to do well against 6-5, 260 pound defensive ends in college? You have to pick up on other things than just his productivity.

    Feet are the most important thing. Always watch a guy’s feet. If everything else sucks, but he’s got good feet, you can fix him. If everything else is great, but the feet suck…good luck. A lot of you guys played baseball and probably pitched. You know how important footwork is on the mound. If you overstride, understride, if your foot comes down in a different spot every time…those are critical everywhere, not just on the mound. (Ronald Curry had horrible footwork. A smart coach would have gotten a pitching tutor just to work on his foot-placement) The difference is that if a pitcher has bad feet, the ball ends up in the stands somewhere. If a tackle has bad feet, he can still compensate at the lower levels with his arms.

  20. smile102 02/05/2009 at 5:02 PM #

    Anti Smurf, what are you refering to? “Davis and Jame$ Blake can buy…I mean recruit…players very well. Great salesmen – if Ford, GM, Dodge were to hire them, perhaps they wouldn’t need a bailout”

  21. Astral Rain 02/06/2009 at 8:54 AM #

    I know the High Point Enterprise had a couple of articles about people signing with State- one in Football, one in Baseball. Then again, the Enterprise when it comes to the ACC schools is pretty fair.

    Then again, HPC did only go 6-6 this year, so it may be another one of those guys slipping under the radar.

  22. packalum44 02/10/2009 at 10:49 AM #

    Guys:

    This class has 3 4-star players if you combine Scout and Rivals…Jarvis Byrd corner, Denzelle Good O-Line, and Asa Watson Tight End.

    Moreover, the class is top heavy with linemen who typically do not make “sexy” 4 or 5 stars unless they are pass rushers or very athletic (DaQuan Bowers 5-star, Mario Williams 4-star, Curtis Crouch 4-star)

    However, all these linemen recruited are huge and have raw athleticism. Why go after the 5-Star linemen (which we do to an extent) when you can get the same talent for alot less work and competition?

    I don’t think this is a down year in recruiting. It is loaded with sleepers. Do folks forget TOB had a top 25 class last year whereas Butch did not??? I’m not saying don’t shoot for the stars…no pun intended. But let TOB make some noise and have a few winning seasons before those 4 and 5 stars who already have us in their final 3 choose us instead of the other. Top 10 classes are on the not to distant horizon.

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