It’s National Signing Day

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Quote of the night from last night’s Wolfpack coaches’ comments on our recruiting class: “stars are like a bikini…they show a lot, but not everything.” Indeed.  Our coaching staff seems quite satisfied with our incoming class, and given their experience and history of taking players that are less-heralded and turning them in to solid football players, Wolfpack fans should be satisfied as well.

Some folks think of today as college football’s version of Christmas — National Letters of Intent are flowing into programs across the country as prep players make their commitments to the colleges where they will play their college football.  As of the time of this writing, NC State has received 26 NLIs from prospective players.

For more information regarding what a NLI implies, read here (pdf format)  Other interesting reading is the NCAA Eligibility Center’s website, located here.  Finally, the text of an NLI can be found here.

If you look at the “stars” that determine rankings of classes, State’s is relatively undistinguished: Rivals.com ranked it at #52, with zero five-star, two four-star, nineteen three-star and seven two-star athletes expected to come into the program.  Make no mistake, however, these rankings are only a little better than a guessing game and not necessarily a solid predictor of future success. Add to it the fact that NC State Head Coach Tom O’Brien and his staff have a solid reputation of taking under-rated classes and turning them into solid performers and many of his former players now play football for a living.  Mike Farrell or Rivals.com gives the class tepid marks, but he has to admit something that anyone who knows Tom O’Brien’s career knows: that he is a superb talent evaluator and that he recruits players into his system that are often overlooked by other coaches:

“I think State will be a little disappointed in being ranked behind Duke, but Tom O’Brien has a history of finding overachievers and players who are better than other people thought. On the surface, this doesn’t look like the best class. But I imagine this class has plenty of surprises. The State staff knows more than we know.”

Probably the best place to follow the action is Pack Pride.com or The Wolfpacker.com, the Scout and Rivals sites (respectively) devote to Wolfpack sports.

Some recruiting and signing day articles for you:

ACCsports.com: NC State Signing Day Snapshot

850 The Buzz National Signing Day interviews

Football Recruiting General Tom O'Brien

72 Responses to It’s National Signing Day

  1. TomPack 02/04/2009 at 1:42 PM #

    I’m not really worried about the rankings when you look at hoe TOB recruits. He builds by working on solid foundation players (ie linemen) and then adds the higher “rated” recruit star player for the glamor positions. Never forget in building a winner at BC he had a much smaller base to choose from as compared to NCSU. By the way has anyone yet figured out the new UNC Butch math: 29=13. Oh well, with some of the returning position players (especially our QB)it really does look like he is building a ACC contender here at NCSU.

  2. Alpha Wolf 02/04/2009 at 1:43 PM #

    The new UNC Butch Math is just Curry Math taken to a new level.

  3. PhilipRiversWannabe 02/04/2009 at 1:47 PM #

    I have a good feeling about this recruiting class. These guys were not highly ranked but many of them have not been evaluated. Denzelle Good was ranked as a one star b/c he had not been evaluated. After his eval., he shot up the rankings to 3 or 4 star(depending on which site one looks at). i am very happy with the depth we will have on the offense and defense lines over the next several years. i expect several of them to be nfl prospects within a few years. Asa Watson, one of TE’s in this class, is the younger brother of NE Patriots TE Ben Watson, who is one of the most athletic tight ends in the game. This class coupled with last year’s class will make us a very good football team over the next several years.

  4. Wolf Dog 02/04/2009 at 1:57 PM #

    Scouts has us ranked #39 ahead of Va. Tech, Clemson, Duke, Wake, and Va. Clemson has something like only 11 recruits and with Bowden out of the picture opened the door for SC. Steve looking at a top 10 class. Our class ranked a little above Va; Tech. Beamer doesn’t bring in all star classes every year. Some years you need blue collar players you can develop. I like our class. Put it with last years and the foundation is being set.

    Alpha Wolf — I hear ya. Butch has to be counting on some of those kids not qualifying. Wonder if a Hargrave application came with their LOI paperwork? If they all do qualify, he gonna have to find reasons to kick about 8-10 kids off the team. Good Bye Bunting Boys!

  5. TomPack 02/04/2009 at 2:03 PM #

    I hate to do this Alpha but what is “Curry Math”…I know that I should probably know but well…I don’t!

  6. McPete 02/04/2009 at 2:04 PM #

    in the accsports.com article about our class, there is a category titled ‘unconfirmed accademics’. i’m guessing this means borderline qualifiers. denzelle good is on that list, as well as tyson chandler and ricky dowdy. i read somewhere that good was so good he could play right away. i really hope he makes it in. and dowdy is our best in state commit.

  7. Sam92 02/04/2009 at 2:11 PM #

    it shouldn’t surprise any of us that UNC has all the glitter in recruiting, but i really think it’s the tortoise and the hare – a number of butch’s guys might not qualify and, more importantly, i just think he’s going to fade out – he’s recruiting well now but i don’t see him maintaining these classes year over year

    TOB, on the other hand, is building a solid program, and I think he’ll continue to do so, each year recruiting a balanced group of good players to form a sold team, and every year or so one or two real stars who will be able to shine with a great supporting cast

    i’m looking for us to win 8 or 9 games next year and beat unc, again

  8. buttPACKer 02/04/2009 at 2:24 PM #

    . . . i can’t help but see Chuck Amato (the sequel) whenever I see Butch DAvis.

  9. Sw0rdf1sh 02/04/2009 at 2:26 PM #

    All I can say is our lines just got some serious playmakers. James Washington looks to be a sleeper as well.

  10. buttPACKer 02/04/2009 at 2:28 PM #

    i agree, swordfish, I am pleased with this class–and the program’s direction in general.

    btw, I think “dandy don” at the bottom of the page slipped through the net. . . the spammer net, i mean. .

  11. McPete 02/04/2009 at 2:39 PM #

    “. . . i can’t help but see Chuck Amato (the sequel) whenever I see Butch DAvis.”

    that’s wishful thinking. butch davis will have unc at mack brown levels if he sticks around and keeps bringing in great players.

  12. Wolf Dog 02/04/2009 at 3:16 PM #

    The real question is has Butch Davis changed the face of recruiting? 29 LOIs in today. I only count 19 spots at most available. Are we headed to an era where if you can recruit a better player you tell an existing player to take a hike we pulling your scholarship? Looks like Spring Ball will have a different feel to it in Chapel Hill, instead of getting ready for fall the kids will be just trying not to get cut. Butch has brought NFL roster trimming to college football. I hope high school coaches and families in NC take note.

    I don’t see Butch getting UNC to Mack Brown level. For one the ACC is 12 teams and allot tougher. Recruiting extremely well one year is only doing what FSU and Miami do every year. So many people have taken notice of Butch’s Curry Math, I have a feeling there’s going to be a backlash on this.

  13. choppack1 02/04/2009 at 3:23 PM #

    According to Yahoo/Rivals…all 27 of our commits have sent in their LOIs:
    http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?sport=1&school=53&year=2009#page2

    I’m actually fascinated by the class. I really do believe that if you scout properly for key characteristics, the “star” factor is minimized. The 4 and 5 star kids are known commodities – they have good #s (height, weight, speed and strength) – and have been seen AND evaulated by the key evaluators of talent. However, you can find plenty of guys who meet your physical requirement that may not be as known.

    Aside from TOB, Grobe has made a career of doing this. If you look at his teams the last few years – the problem hasn’t been team speed or strength or overall talent. (I’d actually say as many of their problems come on gameday when Grobe gets a little too conservative.)

    Oh, and someone mentioned about Butch’s over-recruiting. As I suspected, here in Winston, this FACT was totally ignored. You know, if it’s bad news for the Heels, we won’t mention it less we lose that press pass!

  14. Classof89 02/04/2009 at 3:26 PM #

    I agree with the sentiments of the posters on this particular class, with the one caveat that TOB can’t make a habit of getting dominated in-state by UNC and (!) Duke. We will need to do much better in NC with the Class of 2010…

  15. whitefang 02/04/2009 at 3:43 PM #

    This class reminds me of analysis made in one of the recruiting mags back in the Sheridan days of one of his classes and I quote, “not as highly a ranked class as UNC, but they coach the hell out of their kids and he always beats Carolina anyway.” And they were right.

    I think TOB knows what he is doing. I believe he has a plan and is working it. I DO agree that we need to do better in state next season, and I think we will. The math won’t work so UNC is going to piss some people off in the next year.

  16. Wait_Til_This_Year 02/04/2009 at 3:51 PM #

    Just out of curiosity, I checked, and here’s what rivals.com thought of our now All-ACC QB (is he a TOB recruit?):

    “Rivals.com Rating: 5.3
    Position Ranking: NR”

    Here’s their explanation of the rating if you haven’t seen it:

    “5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player”

    The 5.4-5.0 score is the second lowest of five different scoring ranges they have, BTW.

  17. McPete 02/04/2009 at 3:52 PM #

    “Recruiting extremely well one year is only doing what FSU and Miami do every year”

    He has recruited well every year he’s been over there. this is his 2nd top 25 class.

    and unlike chuck amato, he knows what he’s doing.

    i’d like to see him leave as soon as possible. i think the dallas cowboys would be a great fit.

    apparently all of our commits have signed, so we’re done. and no motorcycles, thank god.

  18. Classof89 02/04/2009 at 4:06 PM #

    whitefang: regarding Sheridan’s beating UNC year in and year out, while being regularly outrecruited, I posted something on one of the other boards that, indeed the superior coaching outweighed the superior recruiting for a while, but Mack Brown’s teams were getting closer and closer, and eventuaally it took a 57-yard field goal and an amazing once in a lifetime completion percentage by our QB to keep Sheridan’s streak alive against UNC, and then, when MOC took over, the recruiting deficits were one of the reasons he went 0-7 against the Heels. I think even if Sheridan had stayed past 1992, he would have started losing to Mack Brown right at the end of Brown’s tenure, given how much more NFL caliber talent Brown had amassed on those UNC clubs, compared to us…

    so in summary: getting decisively outrecruited in your home state one year is OK. Having that happen year after year: not so OK… I’m assuming this is an anamoly, not a trend.

  19. Rick 02/04/2009 at 4:25 PM #

    “I hate to do this Alpha but what is “Curry Math”…I know that I should probably know but well…I don’t!”

    If I remember correctly it stems from Ronald Curry making a quote about how if such and such had happened UNC would be undefeated. He had essentially said they won all of their games despite the score.

  20. wolfpack95 02/04/2009 at 4:30 PM #

    89,
    That is pure conjecture.
    It is nonsense to say that Brown would have started winning against Sheridan when there are no bases for comparison and there are a myriad of factors that had changed between UNC and NCSU by 1998.
    There is no conclusive evidence that UNC’s ascendancy under Brown was due to their recruiting efforts. One could easily say that it was the departure of Sheridan at State that allowed UNC to prosper. For that matter, Brown’s team NEVER beat FSU nor won the ACC. Their rankings came from beating mostly unranked opponents in a struggling ACC in the mid 90’s.

    The “miracle” FG by Damon Hartman was during the 90 season. During the 5 year win streak, that game was the 3rd, and the margins of victory in the other contests were by two scores or more.

    Mack Brown is an excellent recruiter, but a poor gameday coach. Butch Davis is proving to be much the same.

  21. whitefang 02/04/2009 at 4:30 PM #

    89 I agree with you. Certainly Brown was quickly gaining both in recruiting and in overall program building on Sheridan. And TOB and staff must do better in State regularly.
    In any case I think TOB’s methods are well reflected in this class.
    I think Davis has done a heck of a job recruiting. Especially considering how they finished the year and frankly the total butt whipping we put on them. I don’t think he is there long term, but that may be wishful thinking. But after 2 years I like what i am seeing in our fb program. And I think this class was not an Amato (and maybe Davis type?) grab bag of talent, but a well planned specific need type of group.

  22. RickJ 02/04/2009 at 4:38 PM #

    Brown won 0 ACC championships during his 10 years at UNC. The best team he ever beat at UNC was the NC State 1994 team. Davis has a great chance of doing this well.

  23. ncsslim 02/04/2009 at 4:40 PM #

    As long range as the recruiting process has become, I would have to assume we were significantly hampered by our attrocious start, vs Carolina’s. Obviously, with the emergence of Russell, a solid returning corp of skill players, potentially turning the corner in regard to the OL, as well as an emerging D, we look very much on a different path than we did even in late October. I believe we recovered quite well and that this class has a good quantitative and qualitative balance.

    Keep in mind, TOB had a pretty solid recruiting class last time out, and other than TJ Graham, these guys have not been turned loose yet. The constant banter that because TOB was forced to do things a certain way in BC, is because he chose to is rediculous. It’s not the least of the reasons he came south. He coached some pretty damn good athletes at UVa that were not remote afterthoughts in the recruiting process.

    Also, I think the comparison with Sheridan is bogus as well; Dick was a stubborn, stubborn man, and unless he was prepared to change some of his recruiting beliefs (specifically in regard to his “prototype” offensive lineman), as stated above, we were getting ready to get clobbered by Mack due to the talent disparity. I don’t see this inclination in Tom at this point, and those comparing his/our ceiling with Grobe/WFU are really reaching.

    However, we are NCState…. enough said.

  24. Gene 02/04/2009 at 4:44 PM #

    From what I’ve seen football recruiting rankings aren’t as reliable an indicator of a player’s impact as basketball recruiting rankings.

    Not sure the exact reason people can’t project how well a player will do from high school to college, but the rankings seem to be an inexact “science”.

    I trust the coaches know what sorts of players will make an impact and what we need to improve.

  25. Elrod 02/04/2009 at 4:50 PM #

    “when MOC took over, the recruiting deficits were one of the reasons he went 0-7 against the Heels. I think even if Sheridan had stayed past 1992, he would have started losing to Mack Brown right at the end of Brown’s tenure, given how much more NFL caliber talent Brown had amassed on those UNC clubs, compared to us…”

    That may have played a part, but we’ll never know. IMHO, the biggest reason for MOC’s streak was that he largely did away with most of Sheridan’s disciplinary policies. It may have made him more popular with the players, but they lost their edge in disciplined play. It showed up in penalties and conditioning. It’s the same mistake Sheridan himself made in ’86, which he quickly recognized and corrected.

    I very much look forward to the days when we can count on our guys to play hard-nosed, intelligent football and, if we lose, we get beat instead of giving the game away.

    If there’s anything we should know by now, it is: “The State staff knows more than we know.”

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