ACC officials embarrass league, spark (Jamie) ‘Luckie’ comeback

Jamie Luckie

If the ACC really wants to claim the “Best college basketball in the country” title, they have to fix their officiating. I won’t even go into some of the calls during the game (it’s a bad sign when both coaches are pissed off at the referees). The calls were bad enough, but they had to go to the monitor five times??? FIVE TIMES??? WTF! The referees in the ACC have the remote timing equipment, so I’m pretty sure the clock issues are their fault… This has to be fixed, because it’s a huge black eye to our conference that the officiating is always suspect.

— Comment from an ACC Basketball fan watching the NC State @ Virginia Tech game on Sunday

It took everything that Virginia Tech had…and even MORE than they had for them to find a way to halt NC State’s six game winning streak over the Hokies and hand NC State’s Sidney Lowe his first coaching loss in six overtime games.

When an officiating crew is so incompetent that the game has to be stopped a half dozen times to watch replays you know that you have been given the junior varsity officiating team.

NC State controlled the entire game, never trailing until overtime after taking the lead to break and 8-8 tie. But, that kind of control isn’t enough when horrible officiating can cause a mentally fragile team to crumble.

NC State led by 18 points in the second half. But even that wasn’t enough when bad officiating can create points out of thin air. Literally.

Take for example the EIGHT POINTS that Virginia Tech scored in just 35 seconds that were owed exclusively to amazing incompetent officiating.

From 12:40 to 12:05 – in just 35 seconds – Virginia Tech scored EIGHT POINTS that were ALL the direct result of HORRIBLE officiating that was so bad that even the television announcers were discussing it. (We hope to have video for you later).

First, Courtney Fells was incorrectly called for an intentional foul on a fantastic defensive play (that in the cases of different uniforms may not have been called for a foul at all).

At the time of the foul the television announcers said the following:

Capel: “Give Courtney Fells credit. He blocked the shot. Hank just happened to fall awkwardly and his face hit the baskstop under the basket. That has nothing to do with that Courtney Fells did. That’s just the laws of gravity. You’re up, you must come back down and he just ran into the backstop.

Brant: “There is no question about the face – Fells was going after the ball.”

Capel: “He blocked the shot”

Brant: “There is no question about the foul. But it is not intentional.”

On the following inbounds play that gave Tech the ball because of the intentional foul, the receiver of the inbounds pass took — get ready for this — at least SIX STEPS without dribbing the ball and without being called for a traveling violation. I am not using hyperbole. I am not kidding. If you count the shuffling of feet as twp steps instead of one then you get to seven or eight steps.

Again, this is not a joke. How in the hell can a college official MISS SIX-SEVEN-EIGHT steps with NO dribble?! (Again, we hope to have video later).

Of course, the lack of the travling call benefited the Hokies who proceeded to hit a three point basket just seconds later.

THEN…on NC State’s next possession, the Virginia Tech defender reached through the body of Dennis to Horner to get a ‘steal’ that was followed by an immediate three point basket. This play was critiqued twice by the announcers both live and during an instant replay as an obvious foul. One quote was as follows:

“He better be careful because that right there was more than a foul than anything else he has done today.”

A few other quick questions for you:
How does Seth Greenberg get T’d up…then call the ref a ‘fucking asshole’ twice (that we can see)…then call the ref that about three or four more times in the 2nd half…get thrown out of the game?

Why do they bother painting a coaching box on Seth Greenberg’s sideline?

How fitting that Jeff Allen hit the crucial shot when everyone watching the game thought he should have fouled out 15 minutes earlier?

How ironic that former Wolfpack recruit Dorenzo Hudson was granted key charging calls by throwing himself to the floor in wild jirations?

A case can be made that it is unfair to blame these kids and this team for “choking” when their play did not merit being in that position and when a competently officiated game would not have put them in that position. Their good play created the 18 point lead; why is it their fault/responsibility to have to deal with an abnormal number of points for their opponent over which their play had no input?

But, make no mistake about it — NC State had bountiful opportunities to still win this game and failed to capitalize (including Dennis Horner and Javi Gonzalez’s four missed free throws in the final seconds of the game). And, there were definitely a lot of things that could have been done differently from the Wolfpack sideline. The following are a smattering of comments from across the internet that have some value to share here.

Seth knew what he was doing, and it worked to his benefit the entire second half.

Fells goes into a shell after the bullshit intentional call. Naturally, Sid can’t get him out of it.

None of this excuses the fact that Lowe mismanaged the hell out of the end of the game, sticking with Javi after he was obviously tired (and thus extremely loose with the ball) and deciding not to play Tracy Smith after an unstoppable first half offensively.

The season is now over. I’m sure the offseason will be even worse, so get ready

Another one…

This is by far the WORST coaching i have ever seen by a NC State in 25 years……

1. Where was Johnny Thomas after his best game last week????? We would have loved to have his hustle, athleticisim, and rebounding.

2. WHY IN THE WORLD does Sid ALWAYS call a time out at then end of the game on the opposite side of the floor so we have to inbounds the ball into full court pressure.

3. After a great begining for Tracey Smith why was re relegated to the bench the last 10 min of the game ESPECIALLY after Costner fouled out.

4. There is no way a player can feel comfortable when he is snatched out of a game all the time ex. javier player about the entire game and mays played few mins. why???

5. Seth Greenburg shows he wants to win, shows his team how important posessions are, and clearly draws up plays to utilize his teams strenghts. Sid should have taken a feather out of seths hat and blown up when fells was called for a intentional foul (7 point swing because of that call alone)

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  • #35218
    StateFans
    Keymaster

    If the ACC really wants to claim the “Best college basketball in the country” title, they have to fix their officiating. I won’t even go into so
    [See the full post at: ACC officials embarrass league, spark (Jamie) ‘Luckie’ comeback]

    #35219

    Simply put, this is the worst officiating job I have ever seen, and I am by no means exaggerating. Suspensions are warranted here. With that said, we had to keep our composure and fight through it, and we didn’t.

    #35220
    McLovin
    Member

    I don’t see why whenever I’m about to say something the comments get closed

    Anyways I was going to say this on the last post…

    Pack Leader

    I made a comment about Lowe’s strange (to say the least) subbing patterns.

    Javi and CJ haven’t played in like 3 games yet they play most of this game.

    Johnny had a good game last game but his warmups stay on.

    Tracy was just yanked out of the game even though the announcers praised his play the entire first half.

    Why did Mays play little and Degand not even get minutes?

    I don’t even know if you can call them “patterns”

    #35221
    StateFans
    Keymaster

    How can you ‘fight through it’ when Ben McCauley stands straight up on defense and is bulldozed down only to be called for a foul that gives the Hokies a key three point play to tie the game?

    What are the players supposed to do? Run off the court so that they won’t give the other team fabricated three point plays?

    Is that ‘fighting’ through it?

    #35222
    hoop
    Member

    You missed several phantom calls in your post. One that stands out to me is when Horner was run over and called for a block. He had had that spot for at least a full second.

    Another is that after the VT player (don’t remember which) blocked a Wolfpack shot, he double dribbled in front of the whole world.

    The officiating in this game was beyond incompetent.

    #35223
    Rick
    Keymaster

    THe officiating was almost as bad as our substitutions patterns.

    #35224
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Bad officiating doesn’t forgive Sid for his rank mismanagement of the last minutes of the game. Inexcusable stuff.

    This is the ACC. Calling the ref a “fucking asshole” may result in a T, but gets you calls for the rest of the game. Kudos to Seth for understanding that and behaving accordingly.

    I really hate this team. Get ready for a horrible offseason once we finish playing out the string on another wasted year on the court.

    #35225
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    I’ll say it again. When you are up 18 points in the second half, there is ZERO excuse for losing. The officiating was clearly bad. I am not debating that. But we put ourselves in the position to lose the game because we failed to execute on offense. That was it.

    #35226
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    The refs sucked, we choked, and Sidney Lowe is a lousy basketball coach. All three of those things can be – and are – true at the same time.

    #35227
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    I tend to agree with this post … We should have put them away, but there’s no denying the Hokies had a ton of help in the second half

    One play that sticks out to me is directly after the intentional foul bullshit and the 3 pointer by Thorns (or whoever) and then Delaney … We’re still up 10, Allen hacks Horner’s arm off and gets a dunk … That was really Allen’s 10th foul, but no call … Capel, in exasperation, screams “That’s A FOUL! … (giggle)” when seeing the replay … Nope, instead it contributes

    Then Allen fouls out in OT on a hedgeplay after being allowed to play WWE for the entire 2nd half

    Simply pathetic and miserable day

    #35228
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Here are Sidney’s comments from the postgame:

    Postgame comments:

    Tony: Gutwrenching loss?

    SL: Yes, guys played hard … very frustrating

    Tony: What happened to offense in 2nd half?

    SL: We didn’t respond/read … Officials let ’em play, which is fine … We lost our composure after a big play

    Tony: Intentional foul called – what did the refs say?

    SL: We were told “Excessive contact.” (Priceless. Surreal.)

    Tony: Got the ball to Ben on last play, what happened?

    SL: They got 3 guys on him, blah blah blah

    Tony: Was McCauley great today?

    SL: Oh yeah.

    Overtime – what do you tell the team on the way into OT?

    I told them we’ve done it before. Let’s establish defensively … blah blah

    WHATEVER … A LOSS TODAY WAS COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT

    Gary Hahn now even b*tching about the refs – especially on the last play …. Then says, Pack makes free throws, they probably win

    #35229
    john of sparta
    Participant

    just hit one of four foul shots
    and all this goes away.

    at Duke against Miami, the refs
    had to stop play at least 4 times
    for timing issues..giving Miami
    more time for a comeback, but Duke
    wins, so the talk is about next game.

    score more points. period.

    #35230
    GAWolf
    Keymaster

    Don’t forget Ben getting raped on our last possession in regulation where there was a no call.

    The Refs were terrible in this game on both sides. Terrible. Greenburg’s Tech was completely understandable.

    #35231
    Noah
    Participant

    From the previous thread, someone asked “What do you do?”

    BURY “Sid.” I mean, bury him. Immediately give releases to the kids he recruited. Apologize to the fans for hiring him in the first place. Fire all of the coaches. Fire everyone associated with him. Burn some sage when he’s gone.

    Put together a reasonable financial package and then conduct a professional search. DO NOT go and hide up in your lake house under the table all day. (this is what happened last time.)

    There is no reason why such a search would have to end up with Steve Lavin or some scrub assistant from the NBA who STILL thinks that if you call a TO, you get the ball at halfcourt.

    And, “Well except Noah, when you’ve got such a sweet set up in Mom’s basement with a stack of vinyl and pictures of Natale Portman than why start going out and meet the world toady.”

    I had a very nice walk in the park with my dog. Took my iPod and listened to some old stuff I haven’t heard in awhile. John Mayall and a Duke Ellington show from Stockholm in 1965. Far more enjoyable day than you kooks who actually watch “Sid” wave his hands.

    #35232
    wbnation
    Member

    Is this really a thread on officiating? Really? The officials caused this team to lose an 18 point lead? Who was to blame for the 19 point lead lost against Miami? The officiating was horrible. Its the ACC, its always horrible. But trying to look at outside forces for the lose of this and other leads is just assinine. This team is full of mental midgets and thats all. End of story. The last five minutes of regulation if you go back and look is made up of lazy, stupid turnovers not bad calls. I hate this team. Passionately.

    #35233
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    Greenburg after the game:

    “One of the refs comes up to me with about 3 min. to play and says “This is a hell of a game!” … “I say, “Maybe for you guys.” … “Not sure how much fun this was for me and Sidney.”

    Whatever Greenburg, your asshattery helped get you the win today … Now you can finally scream out “This is for HWSNBN, b*tches!” … I know you’ve been waiting on that one for a while … a**hole

    #35234
    inhoc…
    Participant

    this is a response to a comment on the previous thread:

    afterglow, i think you’re a bit delusional. i still would have felt horrible with a 1 point win when we were up by 18 at one point. an over time victory would have been unacceptable. this program wreaks of idiocy.

    if we would have been able to 1/2 way manage this game and get out with an 8 or so point victory, then yes i think we would be impressed with lowes (lack of) ability. he cant coach in the ACC, and its nothing to do with talent.

    all you people who justify this atrocity are pathetic. judging someone who wants better leadership in this program is utterly ignorant. this isn’t about swinging back and forth and being fair weather….

    #35235
    Noah
    Participant

    Is this really a thread on officiating? Really? The officials caused this team to lose an 18 point lead? Who was to blame for the 19 point lead lost against Miami?

    It was the N&O and the UNC BOGs, I tell ya!

    #35236
    wufpup76
    Keymaster

    “THe officiating was almost as bad as our substitutions patterns.”

    Agree. Why we played Williams over Smith in the 2nd and in OT is beyond me … I understand splitting time, but the entire time? Smith gets no minutes down the stretch?

    Thomas 0 minutes … Fergs 0 minutes

    Javi starts and all of a sudden we’re back up to 20 turnovers after being around 10 against Miami and whoever else we lost to before that

    Simply not understanding

    #35237
    Greywolf
    Participant

    Degands’s knee is sore again. Smith has a sore knee or ankle. Thomas’s knee has been swelling at practice. It may not have been’s Sid’s call to risk their careers and health by playing them. Remember the Pizza bowl? Wilson was held out due to doctors orders, not Wilson’s or O’Brien’s ideas.

    I thought we played surprisingly well on VT’s home court. State was an underdog and gave the Hokies all they wanted and then some. At least we didn’t take it up the ass like Wake and Dook did this week.

    Sid got beat by injuries, horrible refereeing and missed free throws at the end. If you have need to blame in on somebody, blame it on the AD. One more thing on LF won’t make any difference.

    There are no “easy” games in the ACC even when the rest of the league plays plays us. The loss is disappointing for sure, but hardly a sign that we are a “dog’s dinner” for the rest of the year.

    For those who want to quit, there are plenty of other games to watch on the tube. Removing the negative Karma can only help.

    #35238
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Let’s just let the excuses for Sid keep on coming. Maybe in another 6 years he’ll actually learn how to coach. Hell it took him what, 20 years to get a college degree? Maybe he’s just a slow learner. But that’s ok, we like those types in Raleigh. We welcome those folks with open arms and there will always be a place for them in our family.

    Sid’s managemnt of the roster, as well as the game today in the 2nd half, was just painful and is why he doesn’t have anything to say on the radio. He knows it. Greenburg abused him today for plain viewing.

    #35239
    whitefang
    Member

    I am with ya Noah. I spent the afternoon fixing my grill, then took my motorcycle for a long ride through the country in short sleeves. What a great day. I sure as hell would not ruin a good weekend watching this team and their over his head so called coach.

    #35240
    ktoh
    Member

    Refs did suck but you were up by 18 with 12 minutes left. And in post game he actually blamed ben???????

    #35241
    Rick
    Keymaster

    “I really hate this team. Get ready for a horrible offseason once we finish playing out the string on another wasted year on the court”

    You seem to be implying something bad is going to happen. You want to share?

    BTW instead of watching the game I went to the park with my 3 adn 5 yos. We ate a picnic lunch and my wife laid on a blanket while we watched them play on the playground. We then came home and they rode their big wheel and green machine and jumped on the trampoline. I wandered in and turned on the TV with 4 minutes left.

    I had a pretty good day over all. If you expect us to lose it does not matter that much.

    #35242
    packnwilm
    Member

    Left the house and took the dog for a walk while we were up 16 in the 2nd half. Just got back and am not surprised at all. My girlfriend is just glad we werent here to watch so I wouldnt rock back and forth while biting all my nails down to the nub. The walk was awesome. It is gorgeous in downtown Wilm today. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW LONG SEAN MILLERS CONTRACT HAS LEFT?

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