DBR’s Take on the Duke/State Game

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“[Gerald Henderson is] a unique player in that he’s strong enough to put it on the floor and get by you and use his body, he can jump over you and he’s really knocking that jump shot down which makes him even tougher. You get up on him, he’s got that first step. He’s playing three or four. He can cause you a lot of problems as you saw tonight. He did exactly what a player of his caliber is supposed to do. He took over the game for a period there and that’s the one guy I talked about in pre-game to the media. He can change the game and he did it again tonight. That’s what he expects of himself and I’m sure that’s what his team expected. He did exactly what a leader is supposed to do. He took over.”

And that’s exactly what State doesn’t have. As admirable as McCauley and Costner can be, neither one is truly a leader. Last year, when they both basically sulked as J.J. Hickson proved to be a better player and took their minutes, and at any rate, neither of them can really alter State’s main flaw, because neither of them bring the ball up and neither is going to ever control it in the halfcourt game, even though McCauley is a more than adequately rounded big man.

It must be the most frustrating thing in the world for Lowe, who wore his big-game red jacket to Cameron. If you look back at his stats when he was at State, they were never overwhelming. Yet he was a superb leader for his team who got his guys to be steady and when they were in a close game hell would freeze over before he made a critical mistake. He was not just a good leader, he was an excellent leader.

He sits there and he is bound to see the mistakes coming, and he’s surely told his guys what to do and not to do. And they are effective for most of the game. But at the end, when his knowledge and experience should be most valuable, they simply can’t do what he has tried to teach them. They rush, they dribble too far, they try to make passes that are a stretch, and slowly, his team crumbles under the pressure and fails.

You can think back to any number of reasonable point guards in the past (or contemporaries for that matter), and they don’t have to be great ones, just good ones, and imagine them at State. How much better would they be? What about Terrell McIntyre? Bobby Frasor? T.J. Bannister? Charlie Ward? Keith Gatlin? Larry Drew II? For that matter, Sidney Lowe?

Just one steady guard who knew what to do in the clutch would make this team a viable tournament team. One steady guard and one reliably intelligent small forward could put them deep into the tournament.

For a competitor like Lowe, sitting and watching incompetence, when he sees the error almost every time, must just eat him alive. After this game and a number of close shaves this season, we have to say this: he’s staying in games despite a critical flaw in his team. We’d have to say that’s the mark of a good coach.

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105 Responses to DBR’s Take on the Duke/State Game

  1. BJD95 01/21/2009 at 3:11 PM #

    1) Re Costner – I have always heard that he was “probably” gone after this season. He will have graduated, nothing really to gain by coming back (his pro future is in Europe regardless). Don’t think he’s particularly close to anyone on the team other than Fells and McCauley. FWIW, the people telling me Costner was “probably” gone now say “definitely” gone. That’s not to say he won’t change his mind, but not likely.

    2) Coaching vs. Talent. It doesn’t really matter. A college head coach is, after a reasonable adjustment period, responsible for the overall quality of the product on the floor. He can recruit well and be a so-so coach, or overachieve with subpar talent. Doesn’t matter what is or isn’t Sid’s fault – but the bottom line is most definitely his responsibility. Thus, you can trace this team’s many problems to Sid being a poor coach and/or due to having jumbled and mismatched parts on the roster. Either way, it’s his responsibility and he has to fix it.

    3) Does Sid know what he’s doing? I’m not sure. People I trust have a broad spectrum of opinions here. But none of them believe he knew what he was doing his first two years – and the mistakes made then might create too many hurdles to overcome, long term.

    4) Personal evaluation – I have concluded that if Sid is going to right the ship, he will have to recruit (not coach) his way out of the current mess. He might be able to better guide a more talented team – it’s a different skill set than maximizing what he has now. But time is short, and he really can’t afford any more recruiting mistakes. He also needs more than a Top 20 class (what he has now for 2009) – to create some real momentum, he needs a Top 5-10 class. Which means Wall and/or Cousins. Otherwise, he’ll be running to stand still – and that won’t fly in the ACC.

  2. skywalkerdt 01/21/2009 at 3:13 PM #

    regarding the ceiling with sid. first off if astral rain is right that puts us on par even with kansas as very few teams can be consistently top 5 in today’s jump to the NBA first chance world of college hoops. second i’m going to be interested from a recruiting standpoint about two things given that sid can recruit highly considered talent. are the guys we are bringing in going to be truly good college players or 4 and 5 star fizzles, identifying the guys who actually should carry 4 and 5 stars versus those that are is huge. the other thing about recruiting are we recruiting guys that will play well together and not be a bunch of star talent running around with no cohesiveness? if we are recruiting the truly good players and guys that will work togehter sid can coach a game, esp. if he can get the pg to be sid on the floor the ceiling may be beyond what astral rain suggests.

  3. choppack1 01/21/2009 at 3:14 PM #

    Last night these words came loudly and spontaneously out of my mouth while watching the game with my wife:

    “This is a heck of a lot better than anything Herb Sendeck put on the floor at Cameron Indoor during his 10 years. I’m liking this.”

    I don’t know about that…There was the infamous OT loss (in the year of the meltdown, which has a lot in common w/ THIS year) where we were leading in the last few minutes of the game – and it had an eery similarity to HWSBN last game there.

    PAJ – I would be tempted to agree that it doesn’t take much to throw him off his game. However, his D is usually pretty reliable – and Sid took him off of Henderson.

    I agree though that Sid coached a good game last night. I thought we were ready to play, played w/ heart and emotion and looked sharp for 30 minutes.

  4. loslobos 01/21/2009 at 3:14 PM #

    This guy’s got an upstart blog and says some of the same stuff we’re saying. Just stumbled upon it randomly.

    http://packprowl.wordpress.com/

    Alpha: it was around when I ran Red and White, because I linked to it back then.

  5. truewolfpackfan84 01/21/2009 at 3:16 PM #

    Any real update on John Wall or Cousins ? the statefans.com website says cousins names his schools but i can’t get into it because im not registered to be able to read that stuff….. any update on either or both would be great thanks guys

  6. happypackdad 01/21/2009 at 3:19 PM #

    Cousins should visit during the UMD game weekend

  7. primacyone 01/21/2009 at 3:22 PM #

    ^^^”and it had an eery similarity to HWSBN last game there.”

    I know where you are coming from, but I didn’t get that. I thought about it, but the decision to quit throwing the ball to Cedric Simmons and go to an outside game was 100% Herb’s call and Herb’s decision. It wasn’t just the players not executing in that game, it was Herb’s PLAN.

  8. skywalkerdt 01/21/2009 at 3:26 PM #

    primacyone- i can’t honestly remember that game vividly but in general with sendek when the team went away from going to the basket (be it by drive, cut, or post) it was generally the result of one or two made threes making the players think oh we can just heave it up and get 3 instead of 2. problem was we never had marksmen that could ACTUALLY do that. hence the issue in those situations with herb was that he was not hardass enough to call timeout and YELL at the players for being dumbasses. that was the consistent pattern i saw in those situations.

  9. primacyone 01/21/2009 at 3:37 PM #

    I’ll drop the Herb stuff. I just hope Sid can get his horses. If he does, I’ll think he will be awesome and put something on the floor that all of us will really like.

    One other thought I had last night that relates to the DBR article is: we don’t actually have the athletic ability as a team to even run a full court press. Sids brand of basketball needs a team full of players that have the ability to run a full court press.

  10. howlie 01/21/2009 at 4:48 PM #

    I know State fans will say that compliments from rivals about our coaching are simply to ‘encourage’ us to keep an incompetent coach they know they can consistently beat; but I think DBR is a ‘straight shooter’ with their assesments.

    Besides being a good coach–as they acknowledge–Sid loves this university and wants ultimate success. I’m really bothered by those who believe this year’s challenge is coaching.
    We have some really decent role players playing near their individual ‘ability ceilings’ who [because of an array of pestering injuries and extreme youth] cannot ‘find themselves’ as a team. You can’t make chicken salad out of nothing but chicken feet–and some people love chicken feet–but it’s never going to work for chicken salad.
    Next year we have some ‘meat’ coming in that is top grade.

  11. happypackdad 01/21/2009 at 4:54 PM #

    “but the decision to quit throwing the ball to Cedric Simmons and go to an outside game was 100% Herb’s call and Herb’s decision. It wasn’t just the players not executing in that game, it was Herb’s PLAN.”

    you mean they should have kept trying to get it to Ced even as he was doubled?

  12. ChiefJoJo 01/21/2009 at 5:03 PM #

    “I’m curious in general why folks have ruled out conditioning as a possible culprit for the collapses. We know that Degand has a bad wheel, we know that Johnny Thomas has one too, Javi has been banged up as well…I’m just wondering if maybe our guys aren’t ready to expend that 40 minutes as they would be if a) everyone were healthy or b) if they were conditioned properly.”

    I haven’t ruled it out, and I think that’s a factor when you consider even just the PG position. I wondered aloud last night why Sid is playing all three PGs… but I answered my own question. He doesn’t have much of a choice until a clear PG #1 & #2 step up and play consistently, and with two recovering from injuries and one a true frosh, we’re behind the curve here.

    It is fair to criticize Sid’s mistakes in recruiting the best players to be positioned to compete in the ACC. In 2.5 yrs, he basically whiffed on Lew, M Johnson, Degand, and Gonazlez… three at one position. Hopefully the current class will make up for that (Wall!).

    As much as we wanted to win that game, and as much as the FSU game must have been a huge disappointment to folks, there are signs of optimism based on Sid’s resume (end of ’07 season, recruiting) and in this team. If Sid can get just a little more consistent play from Degand and Mays, I think we have a much better chance to compete.

  13. Wulfpack 01/21/2009 at 5:16 PM #

    I saw significant improvement from the GT game last night. Now don’t go and let us down against BC. We’ve got to keep the train rolling or else we’ll be derailed once again in the bottom three of the league standings. I think there’s hope for this season but we’ve got to keep improving from one game to the next.

  14. PAJ 01/21/2009 at 5:23 PM #

    Two things that I read over and over bother me.

    #1) All of those who criticize Sid for his recruiting thus far never seem to mention exactly whom he missed out on. Exactly which high quality point guards were out there and not already committed by the time Sid was able to get involved? (Jai Lucas doesn’t count since he already washed out at Florida.)

    #2) I think expectations that a coach can somehow magically produce a silk purse from a sow’s ear (inheriting 7 scholarship players and missing out on that year’s recruits) are unrealistic. Other than general bitchin’ and moanin’, I’d like to see someone tell me what they think really could have been done differently with the players we have had. (Recruiting better is not an answer. See #1)

  15. BAC79 01/21/2009 at 5:26 PM #

    Last night showed that this team can play. The problem seems to be the last 6-7 minutes of the game.

    I can understand the out of gas argument with Degand and Thomas both recovering from significant injuries but we play enough folks so the rest of the guys shouldn’t be giving out unless we have conditioning issues.

    Our game plan was sound until the last minutes of the game and I’m on the fence about whether this is coaching, players, or some combination of the two. I would certainly feel better if the coaching staff would at least admit to making some mistakes and a need to learn from them.

    Since none of us attend practice or player meetings, we can only judge this team by the product put on the floor and what we see during the game. Sid may turn out to be a good college coach but I think we all have to admit he’s not there yet. This begs the question of will he ever get there and what will it take for him to arrive?

    Better players certainly help but we have been saying for twenty years WTNY, wait until we get this or that player to the point we are simply making excuses for poor play.

    One other problem is we have fallen so far that any .500 or slightly better ACC season with a post season appearance will seem like a stellar accomplishment. But, shouldn’t we aspire to be much more successful?

    We are twenty five years removed from our last National Championship. We’re headed towards thirty and it won’t be long until we slip into total obscurity if we are not already there.

    Lets hope we can build on what success we had last night and actually win some of these close games.

  16. Ed89 01/21/2009 at 5:35 PM #

    61Packer, you lost me at “Until we have someone on the State bench who knows how to win…” — name another college bench with two national championship PG’s. I’m pretty sure they know “how to win.” As a coach, you can prepare your team, and motivate your team, but the team has to “man” up when the going gets tough. I thought Sid and Co. did an excellent job coaching and preparing for last night. He did not throw the turnovers that cost us dearly with 3-5 minutes left to play. The turnover by Fells resulting in the Henderson dunk was the icing. That’s a mistake a Senior should not make, but I don’t want to bash a player for trying.

    I thought the team played with as much heart and desire as I’ve seen in a while, BUT we are missing a key element – A TRUE TEAM leader. There needs to be a player that will put the team on his shoulders, and win a game. Every great team has at least one, maybe two. Henderson was CLEARLY that guy for Duke last night. Costner CAN do that, but his leadership is only in his play. If he’s not playing well, he’s not a vocal leader. As I watched the team, we still don’t seem to have that killer instinct. It’s like the guys don’t truly “think” they can win. They “want” to win, but their body language and facial expressions don’t convey the confidence that the Duke players displayed. Clearly, the worst offenders are from the old regime, but Degand is one of the worst with his body language. I’m seeing good signs from all the young guys, though, esp. JT, CW, JM, TS.

    I think it is a talent issue and a “winning mindset” issue. You don’t “hope” to win or “think” you can win, you “EXPECT” to win — everytime. I’m seeing alot of progress. Coach Lowe is putting them in the position, and now it’s the players that must learn how to win. I think Mays and Degand are both improving – they’re basically BOTH Freshmen, but Wall could come in and make this a great team next year with our current crop of young players and our 2009 class.

    As far as the question above about our problems — talent or coaching. My vote is definitely talent. As HPD said, better talent makes coaches alot better. I think Sid and Co. did an outstanding job last night, but the players did not finish the job. I’m not bashing the players, but they just don’t seem to have that competitive fire they had in the 2007 ACC tourney run. I think they CAN find it again, though.

    I think Wall will pick the Pack, as he can probably see that is clearly our biggest need, and he could come straight in and turn this team around. Adding Cousins would be huge – they would both start from Day 1 and that class would definitely put NCSU back on the map.

  17. turnoffthetv 01/21/2009 at 7:13 PM #

    first of all i would like to apologize if any players read my comments after last night’s game. It’s bottled up frustration and nc state ball has become hard to watch without downing a few cold ones. This team is at least a six-packer for me to be able to view. And I struggle and run my mouth and cuss and fuss after these losses. Then u sober up, come back and apologize the next day and get prepped to do it all over again next game day, and then the day after. What a routine!!

    But I will try to keep it short and sweet and say that I think that the “Gunfight at the OK Corral” was not won with KNIVES. I’m convinced it was won with GUNS. So Sid brings the knives he has to a gunfight with Duke or any other “top tier team”.

    So sometimes I ask myself a Question. How does a Bottom Tier Boston College team wielding a bunch of knives roll up into Chapel Hill and win that Gunfight with the Heels?

    Sometimes I think Sidney Lowe is a better coach than Roy Williams given the weapons he has to work with.

    Again, Sorry if I said anything after the game last night that offended. I said it then the drunken way. Now I am sober translating my drunken thoughts.

  18. BAC79 01/21/2009 at 7:30 PM #

    Ed89 you said “As HPD said, better talent makes coaches alot better.”

    I don’t mean to nitpick but what he said was “Talent makes coaches look gooooooood.”

    Philip Rivers made Amato look good for four years and it never got any better. I’m not saying Sid cannot or will not get better, he is just not there yet and we all hope and pray he does take this program where it needs to go.

  19. Primewolf 01/21/2009 at 7:36 PM #

    DBR would love to see Sid coach for the next decade. And I would too for that matter.

    But, the evidence points to a very slow coaching improvment curve. Sid hasn’t gotten there yet and may not.

    I would be happy if Fowler were canned, like this year. And we brought in a real AD that would energize all our programs and demand excellence.

    I am pulling for Sid. I believe he should get rid of at least one asistant. Bring in someone that can help coach defense and improve the offensive concept.

    Unacceptable for players to stand around and not move on offense the last 5 minutes. Unacceptable for players to quit switching on screens the last part of the game and give Duke wide open shots.

  20. packalum44 01/21/2009 at 7:36 PM #

    Sid coached his best game this season at Duke. He still made the critical mistake of playing Javy and taking out our starters in the middle of the second quarter. Duh…

    We had a good game against a good team and lost late. What’s new?

    I enjoyed all the folks who dream up our future lineups (I do it too!) but then I remembered that Lowe plays the most bizarre lineups of anyone I’ve seen coach.

    Sorry but after one game where we are outscored 18-3 in the final 5 minutes, I remain highly doubtful of our head coach’s abilities.

    BTW, what coach couldn’t win with Wall, Cousins, Woods, Howell, Smith, and Lo Brown???? Put me out there and I’ll get us to the sweet 16!

  21. Rufftown Wolf 01/21/2009 at 8:00 PM #

    Thank you ^^ BSIE80 or they bleed carolina blue. Sid is a great coach just like Coach K stated after the game. He just has a learning curve for the college game.

    Remember when Ben M. had the ball real deep with his back to the basket and passed out to Johnny T. for a wide open 3. He should of taken it to the basket. Then Costner driving into the paint trys a crazy pass to Tracy S. Those guys have to take those shots.

    Coach K threw a bone to Sid last nite when he said that most games are won from the 8 minute mark to the 4 minute mark. Sid has to have at least 2 of the big 3 in at that time.

    I felt like the Ghost of Jimmy V was there last nite. It was a good feeling.

    GO Pack. Beat the Eagles A$$es

  22. Dr. BadgerPack 01/21/2009 at 8:37 PM #

    “BTW, what coach couldn’t win with Wall, Cousins, Woods, Howell, Smith, and Lo Brown???? Put me out there and I’ll get us to the sweet 16!”

    Matt Doherty?? Sorry, I absolutely couldn’t resist…

  23. Ed89 01/21/2009 at 8:39 PM #

    BAC, You are right. But, if talent makes them goood, better talent would make them better, right? 🙂

  24. Ed89 01/21/2009 at 8:47 PM #

    If Cousins does visit during the UMD game weekend, the Wolfpack Nation should show up in force to show support for the team and Cousins. I think that support,, in addition to the recruiting by Larry Harris is what had us in the final 3 with Favors, and got us Howell and Brown.

  25. choppack1 01/21/2009 at 8:53 PM #

    I’m much happier w/ the coaching this year than I was last year. I think Sid has learned – and the players have learned – that the casual approach doesn’t help much when you hit the floor. I actually think we’re looking like a decent defensive team now – and our rebounding in conference play has been pretty good (or so it seems.)

    I just hope we aren’t playing “wack-a-mole” (one problem solved, another pops up)…We get some good guards next year, but we’re losing at the least Fells and McCauley – and there’s a chance Costner is out the door. If that’s the case, we’ll have to replace our entire front line.

    A basketball coaching staff in the ACC has to be above average in a lot of different areas – you have to be a good motivator, you have to be a good assessor of talent, you have to be a good closer, you have to be good teacher, you have to be a good tactician and you have to be a good manager. This staff looks to be improving in the motivation, talent assessment and tactician areas. I’m still concerned about the teaching and management phases. (Not suprisingly, these 2 items are probably the least important in coaching in the NBA.)

    Everybody – cross your fingers for the BC game – I think that will tell us ultimately what kind of year we’ll have. Thus far, I think we’ve shown up for almost every game – but this is precisely the kind of game that has made me question the direction of the program under Lowe. 2 years ago, after finishing the first half of the ACC season 3-5, we played GaTech and Miami. These were 2 teams we could have easily beaten and a split would have made us at least semi-relevant for the “bubble”…after losing to Tech where we just ran out of gas (completely acceptable IMHO) – we gave – what appeared to me – a pisspour effort @ Miami.

    Last year, at BC – we had a 4-5 record (if memory serves correct) – and played like crap. I’m thinking that things have changed this year – and we have or “break out” game vs. BC.

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