DBR’s Take on the Duke/State Game

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“[Gerald Henderson is] a unique player in that he’s strong enough to put it on the floor and get by you and use his body, he can jump over you and he’s really knocking that jump shot down which makes him even tougher. You get up on him, he’s got that first step. He’s playing three or four. He can cause you a lot of problems as you saw tonight. He did exactly what a player of his caliber is supposed to do. He took over the game for a period there and that’s the one guy I talked about in pre-game to the media. He can change the game and he did it again tonight. That’s what he expects of himself and I’m sure that’s what his team expected. He did exactly what a leader is supposed to do. He took over.”

And that’s exactly what State doesn’t have. As admirable as McCauley and Costner can be, neither one is truly a leader. Last year, when they both basically sulked as J.J. Hickson proved to be a better player and took their minutes, and at any rate, neither of them can really alter State’s main flaw, because neither of them bring the ball up and neither is going to ever control it in the halfcourt game, even though McCauley is a more than adequately rounded big man.

It must be the most frustrating thing in the world for Lowe, who wore his big-game red jacket to Cameron. If you look back at his stats when he was at State, they were never overwhelming. Yet he was a superb leader for his team who got his guys to be steady and when they were in a close game hell would freeze over before he made a critical mistake. He was not just a good leader, he was an excellent leader.

He sits there and he is bound to see the mistakes coming, and he’s surely told his guys what to do and not to do. And they are effective for most of the game. But at the end, when his knowledge and experience should be most valuable, they simply can’t do what he has tried to teach them. They rush, they dribble too far, they try to make passes that are a stretch, and slowly, his team crumbles under the pressure and fails.

You can think back to any number of reasonable point guards in the past (or contemporaries for that matter), and they don’t have to be great ones, just good ones, and imagine them at State. How much better would they be? What about Terrell McIntyre? Bobby Frasor? T.J. Bannister? Charlie Ward? Keith Gatlin? Larry Drew II? For that matter, Sidney Lowe?

Just one steady guard who knew what to do in the clutch would make this team a viable tournament team. One steady guard and one reliably intelligent small forward could put them deep into the tournament.

For a competitor like Lowe, sitting and watching incompetence, when he sees the error almost every time, must just eat him alive. After this game and a number of close shaves this season, we have to say this: he’s staying in games despite a critical flaw in his team. We’d have to say that’s the mark of a good coach.

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105 Responses to DBR’s Take on the Duke/State Game

  1. wufpup76 01/21/2009 at 10:59 AM #

    ^Pretty fair assessment, to me

    Edit: I think it’s very refreshing to not feel obligated to talk about the refs after a Duke game and actually give Duke credit for what they did to us defensively down the stretch

    Sure, there were some missed calls – a couple of big/timely ones – but those are going to happen in pretty much every game and you have to play through them … I thought the game was called pretty evenly, if not consistently – and all you can ask for is that it is called on both ends with consistency

    It’s just nice to be able to talk about / analyze the game without thinking “What the hell is Les Jones (or any other ref) seeing?” First time in a long time after we’ve played Duke that the first topic on my mind was how the refs called the game

  2. SaccoV 01/21/2009 at 11:10 AM #

    Agreed. You could feel the anger in Sid’s presence as he walked off the court last night. As a State alum, a rabid State fan, and an admirer of Sid’s, it really hurts to see him so frustrated game after game, as if the players at the position he knows best, either don’t understand or willfully disregard his coaching. During the game, I read Sid’s lips as he was yelling at Farnold to get to the proper spot on the court. I hope he can get through this and be a better coach for it because this team needs it.

  3. wufpup76 01/21/2009 at 11:12 AM #

    ^I edited my comment and still got it wrong 🙁

    I meant to say “First time in a long time after we’ve played Duke that the first topic on my mind was *NOT* how the refs called the game”

    I suck

  4. cjt 01/21/2009 at 11:17 AM #

    Agree with pretty much everything as stated above. Its frustrating for everyone to see what this team could be with a serviceable pg/leader. Hickson, as good as he was, was the wrong recruit for the team Sid inherited. He needed the 4-5 star pg OR he needed to find the diamond in the rough. We have don’t have either one and find ourselves in the position we’re in. Sadly, we lose a front court that never got utilized the way they could’ve been with a decent distributor and floor general(except for the Atsur year(s)). Unfortunately, “what could’ve been” is a constant theme of my wolfpack fandom.

  5. happypackdad 01/21/2009 at 11:19 AM #

    We lost to a better team. Period.

  6. Scooter 01/21/2009 at 11:30 AM #

    I think the Duke assessment was probably more complimentary of NCSU than my own. I agree with it.

    The probably with JJ last year was “Right guy, wrong time.”

  7. old13 01/21/2009 at 11:39 AM #

    I think it’s a pretty good assessment. ESPN had highlights this morning and mentioned that the game actually ended with a 27-5 Duke run, much worse (if possible) than the 17-3 run that has been published locally.

    I can’t say that I thought that Sid was the right hire at the time – more of a desparation move by Foulup than a good hire. But I am really having trouble with all the criticism aimed at Sid right now – not that I’m ready to defend him per se – because I don’t think we’ve seen what he can or cannot do with ACC-calibre pieces in place at all positions with either super talented freshmen or experienced upperclassmen. Granted, it’s up to him to get those pieces. But for one reason or another, they aren’t there now. I think that Mays can develop into a consistently serviceable PG, maybe by the end of this season. And there is help on the way in the 2009 and 2010 classes. I just prefer to hold judgement until I can see what Sid does with a team that has ACC-calibre players at all positions, especially PG, with some depth. And I’m not convinced whether the coaching is bad or some (too many) players just aren’t capable of executing no matter how good the coaching is.

    Just to dream a little, can you imagine a starting five of Walls, Mays (SG), CJ (SF), Costner and Cousins backed up by Thomas, Smith, Brown, Wood (hopefully capable) and Howell! Yeah, I know – just another Wolfpacker setting himself up for a big letdown!

  8. BJD95 01/21/2009 at 11:44 AM #

    The problem remains that everyone on our roster (except Ben and BC, who won’t be here next year) is pretty much a role player at best. Recruiting mistakes and poor scholarship spacing are going to haunt us for the next several years, if not longer.

    We must land Wall or Cousins (preferably both) to have any legitimate shot to break through next year. Otherwise, we will lament not having more talent around Lo Brown and maybe Tracy Smith.

    A starting 5 of Wall, Brown, Wood, Smith, and Cousins allows Degand, Mays, CJ, Thomas, and Howell to fill more limited roles (and likely be more successful).

  9. BassPacker 01/21/2009 at 11:46 AM #

    “You can think back to any number of reasonable point guards in the past (or contemporaries for that matter), and they don’t have to be great ones, just good ones, and imagine them at State.”

    I can imagine how good State could be if Sid had just looked in his backyard and signed Brock Young. Good passer with excellent court vision … Has the ability to breakdown defenders off-the-dribble, good free thrower…everything State needed. And this would have been his sophmore season at State instead of ECU.

  10. rtpack24 01/21/2009 at 11:48 AM #

    51-46 Lowe puts JG,TF,TS,JT, and DH in game. Nolan Smith hist 2 3’s in a row and Javi has not found him yet. We lose all of our momemtum. Javi does not even come close into getting us in an offensive set, finally Horner fires a wide open 3 that barely touches the rim. TV timeout and Lowe leaves this same 5 in. Finally puts starters back in after they have gotten cold on the bench. Until Coach Lowe figures out you can not have the second and third sring in the game at the same time on the road, we are not going to even put ourselves in a position to win.

  11. RegularExpression 01/21/2009 at 11:49 AM #

    Slightly off topic, but does anyone else feel that the level of officiating in the ACC has gone up since John Clougherty took over as supervisor of officials? Granted I watch things from a State perspective, but it seems we rarely bitch about officiating after games anymore. Maybe it’s because there is so much else to complain about, or maybe Sid has better luck influencing officials than HWSNBN did. I’d be interested to see if fans of other schools(not named Duke or Carolina) have a similar observation.

  12. BJD95 01/21/2009 at 11:55 AM #

    That is probably true, I just have so much ingrained hatred of Clogherty after that Damon Thornton charge call (which is probably the last time I have ever blamed a loss on officiating – in fact, that one call ruined our entire season) that I have trouble complimenting him in any way.

    There’s also truth to having more things to complain about. Bitching about the refs would be like criticising the maid service while the Titanic was sinking.

  13. inhoc... 01/21/2009 at 12:02 PM #

    “…despite a great game between the drought they opened the game with and the one they closed with, State simply didn’t know what to do with the ball down the stretch. One the one hand, Duke shut State down, almost completely for more than 14 minutes. But despite that, State still could have stayed in this game at the end if they had just held on to the ball long enough to at least get a shot off.”

    -i haven’t had a lot of time to read all of the comments, but the gist i`m getting from most is that “it was a fair assessment” (agreed) and also “i dont blame sid for this”(????…).

    well for those of you who believe the latter or both of these statements mush have skipped over this passage. how do those short comings not fall solely on the coach?

  14. CStanley 01/21/2009 at 12:10 PM #

    It’s hard to believe it’s been 18 years since we had an All ACC quality PG playing for us.

    Just absurd and inexcusable that Les, Herb & Lowe were/have been unable to secure a quality PG in that amount of time. Gainey & Crawford were decent, which is why we had decent teams when they were here, but I’m talking All ACC. Just about everyone else has been able to obtain at least one or two every few years. Why the hell can’t we? We really f’d up not finding a way to secure Chris Wright’s commitment. If we don’t get Wall, this problem probably doesn’t get any better next year.

  15. Gene 01/21/2009 at 12:10 PM #

    Can’t really sweat missing out on a guy like Brock Young. Happens to every program. I think one of the guards at Clemson – K.C. Rivers maybe – played high school ball in Durham. Maybe it’ll get Lowe to focus on local one star recruits more, I don’t know.

    On the flip side, given how small Young is, I don’t know how well he’d hold up against ACC competition. I’m not positive he’d be an upgrade over what we currently have.

    Regarding future recruiting classes, what will be interesting is the 2011 class. I know it’s a long way away, but if we have a relatively talented veteran squad – Howell, Wood, Brown, Leslie, Harrow, Mays, Williams and Thomas – a few stud, five star, recruits would be able to put us over the top, like Wake Forest this year. This is assuming we don’t land Wall and / or Cousins for 2009 or add anyone else in 2010.

  16. statered 01/21/2009 at 12:10 PM #

    They fall on the coach in so far as recruiting. I don’t think it is fair to say they do in so far as coaching – that was the whole point of the article.

    That has been my argument all along. The coaching aspect while not perfect I don’t have too much of a problem with. The assemblage of players is the core of our troubles. Sid is responsible for this no doubt but did anyone expect otherwise given the work history of who we hired? More than anything we need to upgrade talent, everything else will take care of itself when we do.

  17. ncsslim 01/21/2009 at 12:10 PM #

    I’m not going to remotely use the officiating as THE major ill last night, but it certainly was a factor. I told my wife late in the first half when the team was starting to get in a comfortable flow that it was a critical time because the guys appeared to be getting “too comfortable” and if not smart, they will forget where they are. Sure enough, after the words came out of my mouth, Fells needlessly bodies up 25 ft out, picks up a tick tack 2nd, and is out of the game for the half. On one hand, my point still remains that the guys have to be smart and remember where they are and who’s down on the other bench, but 1) that still don’t make it right, and 2) just because you’re used to seeing it, don’t think it doesn’t make a difference in the overall flow of the game.

    Other words of wisdom during the second half when we remained in control was there will be some questionable calls that in all probability will change the momentum of the game. Sure enough, Duke starts getting touchy calls at their end (the back-to-back “and one”s, and the attrocious 3rd of Fells, etc) while on our end, Degand gets knocked in the stands on a missed layup attempt and the next possesion after Singler picks up his 4th, he fouls McCauley not once but twice, with nothing called (forget the Singler over the back, the damage was long done). Next thing you know, Duke has taken charge and we can all focus on our numerous shortcomings.

    K left Singler in for a reason: he knew there was no way in hell that 5th would be called, period. He didn’t appear to change his game one iota (e.g., the over the back). The same exact thing occurred with SheWill a couple of years ago with the same exact outcome, exept I believe SheWill played virtually an entire half with 4 in a very aggressive manner.

    I personally think that some sloppy low profile possessions hurt us when we had chances to create larger working margins, and was my bigger concern for the game (another chapter in the “be smart” plea), but don’t think for one damn minute that the referreeing in this game didn’t impact the outcome, regardless whether it’s the primary issue or not.

  18. pakfanistan 01/21/2009 at 12:17 PM #

    well for those of you who believe the latter or both of these statements mush have skipped over this passage. how do those short comings not fall solely on the coach?

    Did you watch the game? I know people tend to throw around the “coaches can’t hit shots/pass the ball/defend” line around a lot, but last night, I think it was appropriate.

    We hung with Duke, who is more talented than us at four out of five positions, for about 30 minutes. Then in the second half, Duke got a couple of good looks and starting hitting EVERYTHING. That really ratcheted up their intensity level, and our guys responded by trying to do a little too much and turning the ball over. Three possessions of not scoring and suddenly, we’re down by 9. Things spiral out of control, final score, 73-56.

    I mean, two of Degand’s turnovers in the first half were going over and back, and stepping on the sideline. Are you SERIOUSLY going to claim that stuff like that is Sid’s fault?

  19. inhoc... 01/21/2009 at 12:20 PM #

    i am perceiving an extreme lack of Xs and Os from sid when it comes down to the stretch of the game. if our players have the talent and will go up and maintain a lead thru a game, then how do we get OUT COACHED thru the last 7:15 of the game.

    if you can convince me that it is just a talent/personnel related issue then i`ll hold my hat in my hand and apologize, but pay attention girls, we went on a 19-2 blow out for the remainder of the game. as soon as duke took a 1 point lead, they never looked back. there was no answer, no strategy, no silver lining…

    this game just showed me that this “less talented” bunch is capable of playing ball with top 10 teams, but unfortunately they dont have a coach that can achieve that….

  20. RickJ 01/21/2009 at 12:26 PM #

    “How much better would they be? What about Terrell McIntyre? Bobby Frasor? T.J. Bannister? Charlie Ward? Keith Gatlin? Larry Drew II?”

    This really is the whole thing for me. Great list and how about Demontez Stitt – from Matthews, NC, started as a true freshman on a good Clemson team. Purnell sealed the deal with him during our circle jerk of a coaching search.

    The one thing that gives me some hope is that I saw what Lowe could do with Astur on one and a half legs down the stretch of his first year. We got a quality shot on very high percentage of possessions.

  21. LKNpackfan 01/21/2009 at 12:28 PM #

    One big positive I haven’t seen anyone else mention-
    Our rebounding was fantastic last night. OR%=50, DR%=67. It really paid off when Duke was missing their shots, we kept them to one attempt, then we were able capitalize by scoring on multiple-attempt possessions and by luckily hitting low percentage shots.
    Unfortunately in the last 10, K made sure his team ran his plays, got separation and open shots, which they drained.

  22. Clarksa 01/21/2009 at 12:29 PM #

    “Sure, there were some missed calls – a couple of big/timely ones – but those are going to happen in pretty much every game and you have to play through them …”

    There was a point in the second half when Duke made their run and we traded a couple of baskets…then it looks as if we are hacked at one end…no call…and then Smith hit his first three…and then the second..momentum Duke, game over. It’s not always the number of fouls called in any game, it’s the timing.

    I saw some good coaching by Lowe last night, and I saw some bad…It’s obvious he is still learning the college game and could sorely use an extension of himself out on the court.

  23. pakfanistan 01/21/2009 at 12:37 PM #

    i am perceiving an extreme lack of Xs and Os from sid when it comes down to the stretch of the game. if our players have the talent and will go up and maintain a lead thru a game, then how do we get OUT COACHED thru the last 7:15 of the game.

    So, your contention is, it’s pure luck and talent that keeps us in a game for 30 minutes against a more talented, hall of fame coached, number 2 team in the nation, and we were just outcoached the last 7:15….I’m not sure I can really agree with you on that.

    Also, if you can’t see the talent differential, you’re either blind or crazy.

    Nolan Smith > Farnold Degand
    John Scheyer > Trevor Ferguson/CJ Williams
    Gerald Henderson > Courtney Fells
    Kyle Singler > Brandon Costner
    Brian Zoubek < Ben McCauley

    Duke’s players, with the exception of Zoubek, are just better versions of our players, right down to Paulus is a better version of Javi.

  24. choppack1 01/21/2009 at 12:46 PM #

    I agree w/ several thoughts here:
    1) Lowe did a good job coaching for this game.

    2) There was some crucial calls/no-calls that went against us that probably hurt our chances at winning. This isn’t to day, “the calls cost us the game” – but rather, they impacted us negatively, and IMHO, specifically the example of Degand’s contact being ignored while calling the cheap foul on the other end – show that the ACC’s tendency to reward Duke (and other “elite” teams”) at the expense of the little is still alive and well. It’s almost friggin’ criminal. Sadly, last night was called fairly decently overall.

    3) Let’s talk about the play of McClure. On so many different levels, his play was key. One gripe that I haven’t heard mentioned is Duke’s excessive handchecking – his defense was that classic Duke overplay on the perimeter where he bumps w/ chest and uses hand to slow the progress of the offensive player. When Singler picked up his forth, Coach K switched to a D which had him doing this to our big on the perimeter – it was never called – and yes, Virginia – gave Duke an advantage.

    Give K credit though – as I mentioned, it’s 100% up to the officials to call it. Most coaches wouldn’t have put in a 6-4 to play PF when you’re getting killed on the inside, but that’s exactly what Coach K did. And he changed the game as much as anyone.

    This is a perfect example of why Coach K will be a hall of fame coach. His guys play defense w/ an intensity rarely seen.

    4) One thing I found odd about this article is that after his rough start – Degand played very good for 20 or so minutes. His penetration was a huge factor in us coming back, getting and maintaining the lead for several minutes. It gives me hope that his game is improving.

    5) Is it possible that we’re still not in very good shape as a basketball team? in 5 of our 6 losses, we’ve collapsed down the stretch. Maybe it’s a hangover from the Sendek era or maybe it’s because of the substitution patterns or maybe it’s just a lack confidence. I don’t know.

    This article has one thing spot on…We’re VERY close. In our first 2 years, I found that too often the team wasn’t motivated and prepared – execution was almost a moot factor. This year, we’ve been motivated and fairly well-prepared – execution is the problem.

  25. Packster 01/21/2009 at 12:48 PM #

    I think I am 100% in agreement with the article above. It was obvious that Lowe did some real coaching this week after the GT game. I thought we looked really good for most of the game last night. We all knew the Duke run was coming but we were just outclasssed last night for the reasons mentioned above and it would take unbelievable efforts from our players to beat this particular Duke team.

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