Stepping into basketball season by stepping into the past (Updated 5pm)

Today is the day.

Monday, December 22, 2008.

Today is the day that we naturally step into elevated interest in the 2008-2009 basketball season.  You can almost say that today is the day that we really kick off our attention to the season as the Wolfpack will host Top 25 ranked Marquette in the RBC Center.

The Wolfpack has done and an adequate job of holding serve in the early part of the season en route to establishing a 7-1 record against soft competition while squandering a great opportunity to beat Top 25 ranked Davidson a couple of weeks ago.  Tonight’s 7pm game televised on ESPNU marks a legitimate opportunity for State to elevate into ‘NCAA Tournament relevancy’ with an eye on a January 3rd visit to Florida and the start of the ACC season.

Due to the opponent, tonight’s game represents almost as much about the heritage of the NC State program as it does the importance of the current season.  Marquette, then coached by the legendary Al McGuire, was the Wolfpack’s opponent and victim in the 1974 NCAA National Championship game.

The following are some random bytes:

  • Marquette’s roster ranks #315th in the country in average height  but has done an admirable job rebounding.  We will get an obvious opportunity to see if NC State is a better rebounding team this year than we have been the last two seasons.
  • NC State plans on honoring  the 1973-1974 National Championship team tonight.  (Link) 
  • I can’t make tonight’s game for holiday & family reasons that are innately obvious to everyone in the world except the people who are responsible for NC State’s basketball schedule…so, I will be very interested in the reports about this ‘honoring’.  If this is anything like last year’s God awful embarrassment of the 1983 ‘honoring’ then I will actually be glad that I didn’t invest more time into the event in addition to the money for my lifetime rights and season tickets.  I am not going to say more about this as you can click here for a detailed commentary.
  • If NC State were healthy, then I would be calling for a Wolfpack win tonight.  This one just feels like a good night for the Pack.  But, the lingering injuries and those injuries’ impact to playing time of four of our top seven players – Degand, Gonzalez, Fells & Smith – throws too large of a wrench into my plans.  If it weren’t for those injuries, I’d be referencing the Pack’s win over Michigan in 2006 for some similarities of the positive vibes.
  • Marquette is led by strong backcourt play and surprisingly strong rebounding that compensates for weaker offensive play on the post.  This is why the injuries to Degand, Fells and Gonzalez are so vital to the Wolfpack’s chances.  
  • If you need another barometer to monitor tonight then pay attention to the officiating.  If our big men get fair treatment and we get to the line in a quantity that is proportional to our attempts down low then we still have a good chance.  If the officials decide that teams in red don’t deserve the same treatment in the post that teams in blue deserve then our chances reduce significantly.
  • Can I ask the natural question of why NC State continues to annually schedule the ONLY decent home non-conference games on odd weeknights around the holidays when it is difficult for fans to attend and when the students are on break?  Does anybody realize that many lifetime rights holders live somewhere other than Raleigh?  I honestly don’t think that our department could TRY to pick a worse way to leverage our home court for both the team or the fans.
  • As much as I don’t like when/how this game was scheduled, I love the fact that this game was scheduled.  Coach Lowe does a fantastic job of mixing the program’s rich tradition into the current landscape of college basketball.  Playing a Marquette gets us a great blend of the two.  You can see our original entry at the time this game was announced by clicking here. 

The following is a “Gamenight” preview from a fantasy sports site I found…

As the non-conference season enters its last few weeks, a number of teams are still hoping to strengthen their case for an at-large bid, and two such teams will meet in Raleigh when #45 Marquette (9-2) faces #49 North Carolina State (7-1).

Marquette’s two losses have been fairly decisive, as Dayton and Tennessee both beat the Golden Eagles by double digits. Their only strong win came at home over Wisconsin, and it’s easily better than any win North Carolina St. has recorded. The Wolfpack’s only loss came against Davidson, as Stephen Curry led a strong Wildcats charge down the stretch to erase a halftime lead.

[snip]

While Marquette hasn’t been that impressive, NC St.’s schedule has been very weak, and a difficult game like this one is not a great time to be depending on a freshman point guard in his second career start. While the Wolfpack will try to take advantage  of Marquette’s lack of size, I’ll take the Eagles for a narrow road win.

…and this link will take you to a recent article focused on Marquette’s inside deficiencies.

And that’s one of the reasons Tennessee’s Wayne Chism went bananas on the Golden Eagles earlier this week and finished with a career-high 26 points and 11 rebounds in the Vols’ 80-68 victory over Marquette. You see, Chism is 6-9, 242 pounds and a legitimate high-major big man. Marquette has nobody who fits that description. Bruce Pearl noticed it on film and exploited it on the court.

"Wayne had a favorable matchup," Tennessee’s coach said, "and he took advantage of it."

So the question is simple: How many more will take advantage of it?

Lastly, the following are some some interesting items across the internet today related to both this event and the 1974 NC State-Marquette game:

  • Marquette had an unbelievably quick 2-2-1 full court trapping defense that was the bread and butter of the team….Walton and Tatum on the front line…speed and quickness…MU was able to generate pts off of this defense…but not vs NCSTATE….I never knew why until I worked at Rick Majerus’ basketball camps a few yrs later…and I heard him lecture about top PG play and how to beat a trapping press like the 2-2-1 MU utilized so successfully.

    Said Rick, “The key to breaking a trapping press is to do what Monte Towe did to us in the ’74 title game. He did something I had never seen before. He dribbled into our trap and when we sprung it, Towe kept his dribble and dribbled backwards where he had come from…with our front line our of position after committing on the trap…and our back 3 guys already committed to zone guarding the back cutters, Towe would make a crisp pass to the open cutter and they beat our press every time…We were really counting on that press to give the 5-5 Towe some problems. But it did not. Towe was one of the top PGs we had ever faced.”

    Al blew the national championship game…it would have been hard…but MU could have beaten NCState….but this game was forgotten when Al won the final game in ’77…but this game…and the game vs. Ind in ’76 when Al blew the game with a late T….and the Kansas State game on St Patrick’s Day in March, ’77 when MU fell behind by 14 but turned the tide….cut it to 7 and Al sensing that KState was choking grabbed his neck tie to signal the choke to his team and the refs thought he meant that the refs were choking so they T’d him up…and KS made the FTs and went ahead by 10…AL sat down and told Hank…"If we lose this game…I am done in Milwaukee."

    Luckily for Al, MU came back and won by 1….and MU beat Wake Forest…UNCC and then NC for the national title…

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    101 Responses to Stepping into basketball season by stepping into the past (Updated 5pm)

    1. wufpaxno1 12/22/2008 at 1:58 PM #

      Observations:

      1) Degand may never be completely healthy again.

      2) I believe Javi is suffering from a gash in his arm which required stitches, he should be close to being back.

      3) Mays played really well against Lipscomb. Yes it was Lipscomb, but you have to start somewhere and if he can build upon this performance the need for Degand and Javi to heal becomes significantly less important. It may be wishful thinking, but wouldn’t it be nice if Mays became the Russell Wilson of the basketball team?

      4) I think Fells is close to, if not at full strength, tonight will tell.

      5) If BC can become more consistent, and Simon Harris plays and plays like, well Simon Harris, with a lot of energy, and Big Ben controls the boards I think we win this game.

      Go Pack!

    2. Alpha Wolf 12/22/2008 at 2:30 PM #

      Great comments from the Marquette board. Kind of shows you that Norm Sloan knew what he was doing. Personally, I don’t think Marquette would have won that game, but State was definitely ripe for a letdown, if that’s possible in a national title game, after defeating UCLA two days before.

      If Mays continues to emerge and has another great game tonight, we have a chance.

    3. burnbarn 12/22/2008 at 2:41 PM #

      I always LOVED how marquette won that Championship against the holes in ’77!!!

      After the game on Saturday, Lowe said he had something special to honor the ’74 team but he had to scale it back as the NCAA would not allow it…… curious!

    4. bradleyb123 12/22/2008 at 2:47 PM #

      I think State wins this game tonight. Marquette is not all that impressive if you look at who they’ve beaten, and who they’ve lost to.

    5. Sw0rdf1sh 12/22/2008 at 3:00 PM #

      I really hope this is a good game and we can come away with a W. We need to keep the positives moving forward as we get closer to the conference schedule.

    6. BJD95 12/22/2008 at 3:01 PM #

      I agree that Degand is never going to be right again. Regarding Fells, I still worry more about the condition of his head than his ankle.

    7. CaptainCraptacular 12/22/2008 at 3:14 PM #

      My main memory of Al McGuire and Marquette is that ridiculously blatant push-off (by Jerome Whitehead?) on the last second long pass to beat Cedric Maxwell and UNCC in the semis. I believe UNCC may have beaten Carolina in the finals had the refs made a call on Marquette for the pushoff. But fate smiled on the warriors that weekend.

    8. Alpha Wolf 12/22/2008 at 4:17 PM #

      Regarding Fells, I still worry more about the condition of his head than his ankle.

      I don’t worry about Fells head, I’ve given up on the idea that he will ever be a really smart basketball player.

      As I have often said — if one could put Engin Atstur’s basketball IQ into Courtney Fells body, you would have an early lottery pick. He’s all horse and no jockey.

    9. wufpaxno1 12/22/2008 at 4:59 PM #

      “He’s all horse and no jockey.”

      Glad it was only a high ankle sprain, if he had broken his leg we would have had to shot him.

    10. crackdog 12/22/2008 at 5:13 PM #

      “He’s all horse and no jockey”

      Heck, I wish he had Cliff Crawford’s BBall IQ.

    11. redfred2 12/22/2008 at 7:12 PM #

      Any links to watch the game?

    12. seanb724 12/22/2008 at 7:17 PM #

      Or any liveblogs? I’ve got the radio on…

    13. WolfInVolCountry 12/22/2008 at 7:37 PM #

      seanb724… My normal streaming audio is not working. Do you have another site that I can try?

    14. foz 12/22/2008 at 7:43 PM #

      ESPN 540 – It’s a shame, but having to listen to Marquette commentators.

    15. highstick 12/22/2008 at 7:45 PM #

      You guys don’t get the TV??? I’m having to go between bedroom and kitchen to watch it since I don’t get ESPNU except in the bedroom. We’re ahead at the half, not playing bad and our last points were on a Fell’s dunk. Why doesn’t he play like that all the time?

      I’ll try to update, but am dealing with a very pissed off wife with a Mom in an Alzheimer’s unit tonight.

    16. Rochester 12/22/2008 at 7:46 PM #

      This is the first game I’ve got to see this year. My impression from the first half is that Julius Mays looks like our best point guard right now. At least good things happened when he was on the floor. Javy looked like dog crap. He probably shouldn’t play any more. And I was a total Javy apologist last year. He was victimized for a few minutes, then mercifully pulled.

      Costner looks like an All-American so far tonight. And Fells looks healthy. That baseline dunk was pretty.

      We need to not see the second team lineup out there in the second half. There was a point when there wasn’t really a scoring threat on the floor and we blew our lead. Gotta have at least a couple guys out there who can score at all times. Best lineup was the starting lineup so far.

    17. Texpack 12/22/2008 at 7:48 PM #

      This is my first time to see a game this year.

      Mays is our best PG. Go with him and see if he can grow into the job.

      Courtney Fells still has a BBall IQ that would put him in Special Ed.

      We at least have better effort than last.

      Fergie is not a bad role player with this group. I’d like to see Tracy Smith on the floor with Costner and Big Ben. I think that is our best front line.

    18. packalum44 12/22/2008 at 7:54 PM #

      Please please please win this game!!! Early x-mas present…btw, anyone have a comment on the coaching? How does our strategy look? Does Sid have these kids prepared?

    19. turfpack 12/22/2008 at 7:58 PM #

      Man does Degand looks a step or two slower than everybody on the floor.Mays is the best point guard we have-hope he learns early lessons quickly.

    20. MrPlywood 12/22/2008 at 8:00 PM #

      A radio link would be appreciated. I’ve got video but the sound is awful. Thanks.

      Edit: Fixed it in time to see/hear Brandon’s 3.

    21. turfpack 12/22/2008 at 8:04 PM #

      Damn it 3rd foul on Mays!He was doing a good job.

    22. cowdog 12/22/2008 at 8:16 PM #

      Highstick, sorry to hear of your situation. Had to chase everyone into their bedrooms for the U in the den. They had just joined me for the DT interview and just chased them out with the 3 straight TO’s. Never seen a club that puts themselves into these positions quite like this group.
      I do want to see more zone on their guards.

    23. BJD95 12/22/2008 at 8:25 PM #

      Marquette will win by 8-10 points. You have my personal guarantee on that.

      Watching how well Marquette moves the ball makes me want to weep.

    24. cowdog 12/22/2008 at 8:28 PM #

      Pack..44. coaching looked good up till this last stretch of 3-4 min. Weent with zone on que earlier to slow down guards. questionable subtitution has killed us on offense in that 3 min stretch.

    25. BJD95 12/22/2008 at 8:30 PM #

      Every time Degand takes a 3, I die a little inside.

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