Election Day Diversion: John Murtha, the Wolfpacker / Did Fowler & Vaughn-Myers forge Barry O’s birth certificate?

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As you can see from the Wolfpack sign above, the evidence is pretty over-whelming.

Maybe the curse of NC State will finally work for all of our benefit and will result in this stain on humanity losing his seat and drifting off into obscurity. Maybe Murtha and Tom Daschle can find somwhere to play some shuffleboard together. Iran maybe?

In other shocking election day news, it appears that WorldNetDaily has finally found Obama’s ‘lost’ birth certificate. But…look at it carefully (below). It appears to closely match Lee Fowler’s report on NC State Athletics that was leaked to the public by “oldtrenchfighter” on Pack’s Pride’s message boards. Coincidence?

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87 Responses to Election Day Diversion: John Murtha, the Wolfpacker / Did Fowler & Vaughn-Myers forge Barry O’s birth certificate?

  1. Noah 11/05/2008 at 9:13 AM #

    On CNN today, Sam said he was going to start a foundation to help needy folks. It sounds like he’s going to be some kind of a community organizer.

    He’s apparently going to start by declaring bankruptcy. He’s totally broke, which makes his fears about his taxes going up seem oddly misplaced.

    “Hey, ya know when I said I made a quarter-mil and wanted to buy my own business and called you ‘Sammy Davis’? What I really meant was…can I borrow a dollah?”

    The Republican Party has marginalized itself as a white, rural party. Chris Shays did indeed lose…so, they don’t have a single house seat in the NE. It’s up to them to figure out how to find their way home.

  2. GAWolf 11/05/2008 at 9:22 AM #

    Couple points I feel compelled to make:

    1) This conversation is absolutely the most intelligent, sane, meaningful, deep, cordial conversation I’ve seen and/or been a part of regarding this election to date… that includes conversations among friends of opposing parties at dinners/social gatherings. It’s impressive, really. If the politicos of our country could come even close to functioning on this level we would not have the problems we have today… regardless of who was “in power.”

    2) I have to somewhat disagree with Alpha on this election being a complete repudiation of the Republican party. I think it is a complete repudiation, but I think it’s a repudiation against the powers that be. Unfortunately for Republicans two things are true: a) the base of the electorate is a flock/gaggle/herd/whatever of ill-informed perhaps even misinformed lemmings, and b) with the presidential election went the rest of the elections. Interestingly enough Lemming populations vary greatly in approximately 4 year increments. Punny or not punny? Anyway, Lemmings migrate often times to exhaustion and death on that 4th year when their numbers overpopulate the carrying capacity of their home range. Once there’s some realization of this net effect, they move in large numbers and follow often times blindly into situations of certain death under the strong desire to press on to better “pastures.” The Lemming Electorate in this election wanted better pastures… and honestly even as a republican I cannot blame them. Anyway, there was certainly a mass migration and it’s understandable. I don’t think, however, that was a repudiation of the Republican party in the statewide elections as much as it was a repudiation of those in control during the last 4 years. The lemmings however can’t differentiate between needed migration and jumping off cliffs to their doom… they also can’t differentiate between the President and the fact that Congress was controlled by Democrats. I would have been much impressed with my fellow citizens had they totally cleaned house of the incumbents. I voted for almost as many Democrats as I did Republicans across my ticket, and looking at the results this morning it’s apparent to me that there were A LOT of democratic straight tickets.

    Ultimately, I’m not too concerned about the lemming-electorate. Their population will ebb and flow and ultimately they’ll go back to living unassumingly in their new field of comfort. They’ll not care about what’s happening around them until crises hits again and there’s not enough food around to feed all of those who take, take, take. Then there will be another uprising in 4 or 8 years and another shift and we’ll all be right back to where we were… it will be dejavu all over again.

    My concerns go beyond Barrack Obama. I think he’ll be a fine President… at least no different than anyone else in a role that has been degraded to something akin to the King of England. The real story will be what will a Democratic-controlled Congress do and what effect will it have on me and the rest of the middle-class Americans and small business owners. Ultimately we’re the back bone of this country. Not the lemming-electorate who crawls out of their holes to vote when summoned to do so. Not the bureaucratic government teet sucking self-perpetuating politicians. Not the rich movie stars and actors. Not the extremists of either right or left. Until we band together and let the politicians know that we aren’t fooled by half-truth political commercials on election year and that we have our fingers firmly planted on the real pulse of America we can’t really bitch about election results.

    Thomas Jefferson said there is nothing more dangerous than an uninformed electorate. As long as we let politicians continue to mire our papers and televisions with half-truths and unrealistic promises of miracle-like overnight hope and change and free money, we can’t really complain when the lemmings run us off a cliff… for better or for worse. I just “hope” it’s for the better. We shall see.

    Later little Lemmings. I have to get back to work in my small business where I create jobs for people who work for us and we actually pay for their health insurance. I’ll have my nose to the grindstone, and I’ll pay my taxes whatever they might be because that’s what my Dad does and my granddad did and it’s the right thing to do. Y’all let me know what the news people tell you happens to this country over the next four years. It will be interesting to compare stories between what I feel happening and what you’re told is happening.

    Best of luck to us all….. congratulations Mr. Obama. I sure hope you can deliver on what is a heck of a promise of hope and change. I really, really do. You’ve got your work cut out for you and I’ll be pulling for you. My employees will too. And their kids.

  3. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2008 at 9:47 AM #

    I cannot agree more about the uninformed electorate.

    I am no political scientist, geographical expert or historian, but thankfully I was raised in a time when Civics education mattered, when we were expected to learn the name and capital of each state in the US and where in the world most every country was and also when we were expected to have a working knowledge of US, world and North Carolina history before we were ever granted a high school diploma, much less a college degree. I often wonder if this is the case in today’s US. If it is not a requirement, it should be. In fact, I think it must be.

    One question I would love to see answered is how many high school graduates could pass the same tests that we give to foreign-born applicants for US citizenship. It would be very interesting indeed to know.

    I am not a person who thinks Republicans are bad. I voted for Ronald Reagan twice and thought him a fine president. I voted for George H. W. Bush in his first election and think him a better than average president. I’ve supported them when they said that government excesses needed to be trimmed, that government could not do everything for our people and that it shouldn’t, when they said that this nation needs a strong and vigorous defense and when they said that ethics in government actually matter.

    Those values, to me anyway, are the core values of the GOP and it seems that they have lost them to some degree. For the Republicans to truly be themselves again, they need to find their roots and live to their own ideals once more.

  4. BJD95 11/05/2008 at 10:11 AM #

    The problem for the GOP is that the office holders left standing are largely strident conservatives from the Deep South (especially leadership). I expect that there will be further flaming out before a new conservative movement can rebuild itself.

    Watch how Obama cultivates his relationship with moderates and social libertarians in the West (CO, NV, NM, AZ, MT) and less conservative Southern states (VA, NC, FL). That will tell you if there is a true leftward trend, or just a temporary “blip” in the electoral pattern.

  5. Wulfpack 11/05/2008 at 10:23 AM #

    The Republicans in the position of power have absolutely no idea who they are and what they stand for. When the man running for President can’t even mention the current President’s name while campaigning, you have a problem. Bush has disappointed even his most staunch supporters. Then, the Republicans nominated John McCain, aka a once liberal maverick, who then chose Sarah no-name Palin as his running mate, who was totally overmatched for the job. Think about it, he chose the Governor of freaking Alaska as his sidekick. Not exactly main-stream. And the political map reveals that today.

    But this election wasn’t about running mates. Hell I bet a third of the people who voted for Obama don’t even know who Biden is. It was a non-issue. This election was about three men: John, Barack, and most importantly, George.

    America rejected George, and they rejected him soundly. Republicans better take notice. This was a thorough whipping on every level, from he gubernatorial races on up. What we have known to be true about politics in America can now been thrown out the window. Those days are over. It’s a new day and the republicans are on the wrong side of it. I can tell you just in my inner circle, many conservatives came out strongly for Obama.

    I have heard some Republicans today blame the loss essentially on “media bias”. That is total arrogance. That is turning a blind eye and showing a total mis-understanding for the current state of affairs. And that shows a total disregard for one of the greatest American political heroes in history — Barack Obama.

    This is America. We are a great nation. And we just proved it.

  6. GAWolf 11/05/2008 at 10:50 AM #

    Obama is already a hero before serving one day in office? Jesus. That’s exactly the attitude I’m scared of most. Please take a moment to think about that statement and what it means. Could he ultimately be a hero? Certainly. And I hope and pray that he ultimately gives good reason to earn such a tag. I’ll be pulling for him more than most….and the reason I will is because I’m a skeptic of all politicians and I need some faith restored in our leaders. I need it and I want it. I’m sorry but I don’t believe until I see. How many QB’s have we brought in here, annointed them the savior of our football program before they’ve taken a snap, only to continue to suck and to ultimately get laughed at by the college football world for buying into hype and misinformation? Do you not see that the analogy COULD be accurate here? If you cannot…you are a lemming my friend. Be careful of that cliff….it’s out there…you might get lucky and you might not…but it’s always out there and if you follow blindly you have a 50/50 chance the lemmings in front of you are right…or wrong.

    The other few posts above I agree with completely. The GOP is lost and it’s really to be expected. It will find it’s way or a third party of young, fiscally conservative, socially liberal, business-oriented, highly educated voters will emerge.

    If I have the time I’ll be a registered Libertarian before day’s end.

  7. Wulfpack 11/05/2008 at 11:15 AM #

    Yes, a hero. As of 11:00pm last night, a hero to millions of Americans, black, white, and whomever else. He may not be to you, that’s perfectly fine. But for those that poured their hearts and souls into his campaign, to those that entered into this process for the very first time b/c they felt they were finally compelled to do so, who felt there was a finally a voice that spoke to them and for them, yes, I’d say it’s safe to say today from a historical perspective he’s a hero. If you need evidence, consult the images at Grant Park last night, or just consult the front page of your local newspaper listing the numbers. That was no ordinary election. Nor was it an ordinary post-election party. It was unprecedented and will go down in history books as a key point in this young nation’s history. What Obama accomplished last night has never been done in many countries throughout the world. It sure hasn’t happened here until last night. And nobody will ever be able to say it can no longer happen.

  8. GAWolf 11/05/2008 at 11:41 AM #

    Hitler had Germans coming out in the millions to support him… there are countless pictures of seas of soldiers and German citizens alike falling in to hear him speak. Does that make Hitler a hero? (The scary historical concern here is that Hitler gave promise through socialistic reform to the lower and middle class Germans of post WWI Germany in financial ruin. He built back the economy, gave them some economic good fortune and they conveniently turned their backs to the mass murder and tyranny of others.)

    Don’t run off and say that I’m comparing Obama to Hitler; I am not. I am comparing the accomplishment to motivate the masses, alone, as not something upon which hero status should be given. If the guy unifies Americans under good and accomplishment in social, economic, and political change for the better, then I’ll be the first to call him a hero. Until then, he’s just another politician with an amazing gift of gab. John McCain was another politician without the gift of gab. And upon that the uninformed masses made their decision along with voicing their disapproval of the heads of power over the last 4 years. Again, I cannot blame them. But the point remains…

    I’m curious, Wulfpack. And this is not a cut at you or your station in life. Please don’t take it that way. I’m simply curious about what motivates certain people to have certain opinions. You are entitled to yours and while it scares me, I respect it. Are you still in college?

  9. GAWolf 11/05/2008 at 11:46 AM #

    Also… you keep saying “it” without defining what “it” is. I’m interested to know what “it” is. Seriously.

    And I agree that many people who voted for Obama do not know who Biden is. Does that not concern you at least a little? Were they voting for Obama and Biden and their knowledge of Obama’s platform or were they voting for “it?”

  10. redfred2 11/05/2008 at 12:55 PM #

    “And I agree that many people who voted for Obama do not know who Biden is.”

    Biden??? Um, I’d have say that many people who voted for Obama, don’t really know who he is. Plain fact is, there isn’t enough of a body of political work to form an educated opinion, one way or the other. The Obama campaign was well funded and they were smart enough not to damage their chances. The masses were motivated and voting for change, period. There isn’t a Republican alive right now who could have offset that pre-existing deficit.

  11. WolftownVA81 11/05/2008 at 1:11 PM #

    I split my vote between three parties for president (L), senator (D) and congressman(R). The republican party has become a huge disappointment. Though a registered republican, I’ve always prided myself on voting the man not the party. However, from here on out, I too am a Libertarian.

  12. Elrod 11/05/2008 at 1:19 PM #

    This entire discussion has been very interesting to me. There are points with which I agree or disagree. Over the last two months I have deliberately read an extremely high number of newspaper, news service and internet articles on the races and candidates, along with even more blogs and other independent sources. It may sound odd to some, but by far the biggest impression made to me in all these writings is how illiterate and cognitively challenged we have become as a nation in the last 45 years. Actually, this particular blog thread is among the best I have read in that the posts are largely literate with reasonably stated and defended positions. For that, I commend each of you. Unfortunately, these elections clearly indicate to me that this nation has devolved into a mindless horde of lemmings and our political parties have cast aside leadership in favor of power.

  13. packpigskinfan23 11/05/2008 at 1:21 PM #

    1) Obama being a hero already is a joke. He ran a campaign like no other ever has… that dosnt make him a hero. It makes him smart. The amount of money he was able to raise is unprecedented. Knowing how to spend it is what won him this election. So much for campaign financing…

    2) If you dont think media-bias has anything to do with our elections this year, then why was it that guys like Mitt Romney and Ron Paul never got to put in words they were owed, while McCain and Ruddy where? Its because watching Romney is like watching paint dry, and Ron Paul was labeled a crazy. I think either one of those men would have been excellent choices, and been great for the economy and change agents.

    3) I know that Obama’s campaign basically dominated the younger vote, but I would like to give credit to all the hard working McCain supporters here on campus. They did a hell of a job, and I think how close our state was this year is proof of that.

    4) I would also like to point out that I was a huge Obama fan at the start of all of this. He turned me off when he refused to stick to his word on public finance, when he refused to answer tough questions, and when he made ignorant comments about guns and religion. I still have some of my faith in him. I think he might very well do a great job. I have a ton of reservations however.

  14. PackGirl 11/05/2008 at 1:33 PM #

    So what happened to Murtha anyway – was he re-elected (by his “racist” and “redneck” constituents) or is there at least 1 thing to be happy about from yesterday? (Oh yeah, it looks like Al Franken was not elected, maybe there are 2 things to be happy about.)

  15. PackerInRussia 11/05/2008 at 1:39 PM #

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    Well, looks like Joe won’t be buying that plumbing business.

    If you mean Samuel the Not-A-Licensed-Plumber, he never intended to buy the plumbing business, and he has said as much in his own words.

    He simply took advantage of a situation and McCain foolishly used him as his campaign metaphor. Problem is that Samuel was and is an empty toolbox who is now living on the donations of his supporters to get by.

    On CNN today, Sam said he was going to start a foundation to help needy folks. It sounds like he’s going to be some kind of a community organizer.”

    It was more of a tongue-in-cheek announcement that Barack Obama won rather than a lament that Joe couldn’t buy the business. And I don’t have CNN.

    By the way, I am among those who do not separate social issues from the rest of the political issues. I think they are equally important and linked.

  16. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2008 at 2:30 PM #

    Sorry to ruin your day Pack Girl but Murtha was re-elected and Franken is within 0.04% after 100% of the precincts in Minnesota reported. That means an automatic recount by MN law which will not begin until mid-November. The vote margin is 694 votes. This could be a miniature version of Florida 2000.

    If you dont think media-bias has anything to do with our elections this year, then why was it that guys like Mitt Romney and Ron Paul never got to put in words they were owed, while McCain and Ruddy where? Its because watching Romney is like watching paint dry, and Ron Paul was labeled a crazy. I think either one of those men would have been excellent choices, and been great for the economy and change agents.

    Oddly enough, I saw plenty of each of the two of them on CSPAN and by reading their position papers, just for starters. It’s all in how hard you look. I did a lot of reading, listening and watching of both parties this cycle. The Internet makes it easy.

    I was a bit surprised by Romney not getting the VP nod, given his economic expertise. Then again, back in June I mentioned Sarah Palin as a possible VP candidate on another blog after reading a Bill Kristol column about her, then reading about her record on the Anchorage Daily News. Politically it made a lot of sense to nominate Palin, but realistically, she may have gotten the nod four years too soon to be a polished and hardened national candidate. She needs experience on the federal level to be viable, because Alaska is political Siberia.

  17. PackGirl 11/05/2008 at 2:49 PM #

    I still have the audacity to hope that Franken will lose by a slim margin. I can not handle the idea of an ignorant, extreme left-wing, ex-SNL cast member in the senate.

  18. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2008 at 3:05 PM #

    I can not handle the idea of an ignorant, extreme left-wing, ex-SNL cast member in the senate.

    You’ll always have Michelle Bachman in the House, at least. 🙂

  19. packpigskinfan23 11/05/2008 at 3:35 PM #

    Alpha- I too saw a lot of both of them, however the mainstream media never gave them a shot at all. They were more enamored with Huckabee’s humor, Ruddy’s populatity, and they have always loved McCain(until recently). They forgot about two candidates that actually had merit. I know Ron Paul would have been a long shot, but Romney could have easily won the independents, the Hillary supporters, and would not have fallen so badly during the economic crisis. That is how the media picked who our candidates would be. Add that with the fact that NC rarely ever gets a choice in who the Republican candidate will be due to our retarded delegates/6 month long primary system. Obama’s win is considered a landslide electorally, but when you break it down to the popular vote he did not win by that much. I think its time for some major changes in the system. We cant wait to make this change. It needs to start now.

    The average American is not going to watch CSPAN and spend massive amounts of time digging through garbage on the internet to truly get to know the candidates. Its time the media do their jobs. You should be able to flip back and forth between MSNBC/CNN/FoxNews and find most of what you need to know about ALL candidates. Unfortunatly it does not work that way.

  20. EverettBeez 11/05/2008 at 3:37 PM #

    What is most disturbing about Jack “The Thug” Murtha he announced that those Marines were guilty of murder and worse in Hidietha – then each of them were found not guilty. He has not had the guts to apologies or even admit he was wrong. He is being sued by 3 of them now. That is why Murtha verges on being a traitor in my book. I am happy to see him go back to Congress where he is close buddies with Speaker Pelosi. I think he makes a perfect face the “New” Congress.

  21. PackGirl 11/05/2008 at 4:02 PM #

    Al Franken (aka Stuart Smalley): Not good enough, not smart enough, and doggone it, I hate him.

  22. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2008 at 4:13 PM #

    Its time the media do their jobs.

    Like it or not, they are doing their jobs.

    “The media” are generally commercial entities with responsibilities to their owners and/or stockholders. Their “job” is to create wealth and that is the simple market-driven reality. That said, the romantic idea of a Fourth Estate is just that, a romantic idea, but nothing more than that. We are a nation of big business, and most mass media are components of large corporations.

    Making that money means getting as many impressions of advertisements as possible in order to charge advertisers a higher price. That means appealing to a popular audience.

    As I said earlier, Ron Paul enjoyed a grassroots movement but that same grassroots movement never contributed enough money to him to allow him big advertisement buys in order to convey his message. Would Paul have won had he had big donors or a small-donation system anywhere near Obamas? Hard to say. But that question is best asked his supporters.

    Romney could have paid out of his own pocket, but let’s face it, Mitt had litmus test problems with Republicans and his candidacy faltered due to a lack of support.

    Obama’s win is considered a landslide electorally, but when you break it down to the popular vote he did not win by that much.

    In 2004, George Bush won the popular vote by 3,012,497 votes. With 97% of all precincts reporting, Barack Obama leads by 7,371,583, or more than twice the different of the last election. With 63,550,319 votes, he has more than Bush in 2004 as well, not to mention a greater percentage of victory.

    Spin it all you like, but the simple fact is that this was a far more decisive victory than the current president ever enjoyed, and he never felt like he lacked a mandate. As a matter of fact, he once remarked “I have earned the political capital and I intend to use it.” President-elect Obama could make the same statement and it would be far truer, much to your chagrin, no doubt.

    The bottom line is this: the Republican Party has some serious soul searching to do, and in fact, it may take some time for them to recover even if they don’t split as they did in 1912. Who knows, perhaps the Republicans would benefit from another Bull Moose Party. The Progressive Party’s platform was “To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”

    That could certainly be used in today’s world and would be very attractive to voters. One thing is certain, and it is this: Republicans are in the minority in registered voters nationally and in enough key states that they may well find that they are marginalized unless they can pull away key segments of the Democrats.

    In other words, you as Republicans had better pray that Obama screws up, otherwise you are in for a long ride. That may not happen, because Obama has extensively studied political history and is well aware of Clinton, Bush’s and Carter’s foibles and has stated that he will not repeat them.

  23. redfred2 11/05/2008 at 5:11 PM #

    “In other words, you as Republicans had better pray that Obama screws up, otherwise you are in for a long ride.”

    Um, I don’t believe I would have put it quite that way. I truly HOPE that Obama is everything that everyone that voted for him, thinks he is, to date I just don’t have enough evidence to make any determination for myself. But either way, whether you lean towards the Republican or Democratic way of thinking, we are ALL along for this next ride. Enough of the narrow minded partisanship, that’s what’s wrong right now.

  24. tvp1 11/05/2008 at 5:32 PM #

    A little realpolitik here, or, “Why I’m not looking forward to politics in this country anytime soon”:

    The Ds added a major constituency in this election: the ruling elites. The country club is not the Republican’s haven any longer. The educated upper-middle class and wealthy in the law, health care, even business were SOLIDLY behind Obama. I know; I work and live amongst these people. The “Democrats as the party of smart people” theory has widely gained popularity among not just academics but among educated people with “real” jobs. This is IMO a major shift. It may be an Obama/Anti-Bush thing, but I suspect it’s a more long term trend (the reasons why are varied, fascinating, and not entirely clear to me).

    Basically, the democratic party is now the party of BOTH the poor AND the rich. The major constituency left is the white working and middle class voter. The good news for the republicans is that these people want a strong defense and are culturally conservative. The bad news is that they are economically populist/socialist, and anytime the economy looks bad that is what guides their votes. See, e.g., last night: Republicans get killed in the Rust Belt and mid-atlantic on the economy, but gay marriage bans pass in Florida, AZ, and California of all places!

    In the upcoming years the Hispanic working/middle class voter will become another swing block, and they are, on the whole, even more socially conservative and economic populist/socialist (the thorny issue to navigate here is immigration, which splits the white and Hispanic voters).

    What does this all mean? The Republicans are not stupid. The roadmap to electoral success (or at least a fighting chance) is obvious: Social conservatism, and an economic message of populism and gov’t programs to “help” the working (wo)man. The future of the Republican party is Palin/Huckabee (or equivalent), not some modern day Goldwater, nor a Ron Paul disciple. The Republicans are not going to turn away from the evangelicals – they will run headlong into their arms. Basically, the idea will be Bush’s “compassionate conservatism”, just packaged and executed better.

    Limited government, fiscal conservatism, and self-reliance are dead in this country as a governing philosophy for the foreseeable future, maybe for a generation or more. And I weep for it.

  25. Wulfpack 11/05/2008 at 5:50 PM #

    “Enough of the narrow minded partisanship, that’s what’s wrong right now.”

    And that is exactly why Obama stormed to the victory. Late in the game, the only thing McCain could levy against him were personal attacks (think to the third and final debate). Obama had already won on the issues, he had already appeared as the more presidential candidate, he appealed to the masses — a wide electorate, not just a region or a specific group of people. I personally felt that McCain was running a campaign that he was told to run by the GOP, but not the way he wanted to run it. McCain is one of the most admirable political figures still standing, he has honor and dignity and nearly paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country. But he could not overcome the partisanship divide and it’s why I think he is so disappointed. I can’t tell you how many Republicans crossed the line yesterday and voted for Obama, but I would imagine it was far more than the Dems breaking for McCain. Obama is a transcendental figure. The task at hand is enormous. However, I wouldn’t put anything past him judging by what he has already been able to accomplish in such a short amount of time.

    It was a landlside by both measures — electoral and popular vote.

    GAWolf — 29 white male in NC who has voted for Republicans presidential candidates twice before. NC STATE gard born and raised in the South…

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