Election Day Diversion: John Murtha, the Wolfpacker / Did Fowler & Vaughn-Myers forge Barry O’s birth certificate?

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As you can see from the Wolfpack sign above, the evidence is pretty over-whelming.

Maybe the curse of NC State will finally work for all of our benefit and will result in this stain on humanity losing his seat and drifting off into obscurity. Maybe Murtha and Tom Daschle can find somwhere to play some shuffleboard together. Iran maybe?

In other shocking election day news, it appears that WorldNetDaily has finally found Obama’s ‘lost’ birth certificate. But…look at it carefully (below). It appears to closely match Lee Fowler’s report on NC State Athletics that was leaked to the public by “oldtrenchfighter” on Pack’s Pride’s message boards. Coincidence?

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87 Responses to Election Day Diversion: John Murtha, the Wolfpacker / Did Fowler & Vaughn-Myers forge Barry O’s birth certificate?

  1. Noah 11/04/2008 at 3:17 PM #

    Bob Barr might be the one guy who makes Alan Keyes seem sane.

    Okay, maybe not so much.

    I still think that if someone like Mike Bloomberg put a concerted effort behind an actual CONSERVATIVE party, it would make serious in-roads in several parts of the country. Small government, fiscal responsibility, socially libertarian, none of the culture-war crap. That means no one in the party really gives a damn where you go to church, who you go to bed with, or whether or not you wear a flag pin.

    That kind of third party with some financial backing…if they could keep the whackos out of it…they could do well in the NE, in the rockies and in places like Arizona.

    If the polls are accurate (please take note that I’m counting no chickens), IF the polls are accurate, there’s going to be a strong desire for a Night of the Long Knives campaign. You’ve already got a very serious rift between the Chamber of Commerce Republicans and the Culture Warriors. One side has the money, the other side has the numbers. The next RNC chair better be a skilled mediator.

  2. Alpha Wolf 11/04/2008 at 3:31 PM #

    there’s going to be a strong desire for a Night of the Long Knives campaign. You’ve already got a very serious rift between the Chamber of Commerce Republicans and the Culture Warriors. One side has the money, the other side has the numbers. The next RNC chair better be a skilled mediator.

    I bet if the true Republicans split out and left the evancelicals behind and re-formed behind the banner of limited government and fiscal responsibility, they would re-constitute themselves pretty quickly.

    Look at the support that Ron Paul had — and look at the demographics of that support. It was pretty wide considering the lack of party backing and the fact is that a lot of young people of all races were behind Paul. Ron Paul is more of a Libertarian than a mainstream Republican and he could have sunk his party had he left to run a third-party candidacy like John Anderson or Ross Perot.

  3. GAWolf 11/04/2008 at 4:04 PM #

    Alpha Wolf: I think what you’re talking about is what I’ve been saying for months as this ridiculous “race” of idiots has been shoved down my throat. This election, I believe, will give rise to a truly powerful “3rd Party.” The younger Republicans maintain the core values of what was the original platform of the party (fiscally conservative capitalism, state’s rights/small government, personal accountability, etc.) but most of us are socially liberal. The hard core religious right will continue to alienate the Republican masses many of who are devout Christians. On the contrary, I also believe Obama’s presidency (assuming he wins) will also alienate the moderate, educated, hard working and tax paying democrats(Especially, but not limited to, those in the South – the dixicrats of yesteryear.) The Republicans have become the party of the extremists on the right… and the Democrats have become the party of the extremists on the left. It only makes sense that a third party will emerge that will finally have enough support and REASONABLE postures on issues across the board to bring in those who have been pushed away by the idiot-majority of their former parties.

    The more these most amazingly nauseating campaigns have mired my life, the more I am confident that I am not alone in my distaste for what our political system has become. I know not one single candidate in any race that fully represents me and my beliefs. Not one. That’s pitiful. And the main reason that’s the case is that without pandering to “their” electorate party on the issues, they stand no chance at winning an election.

    Advertising should be banned from the political process. I’m sick of it. Every single ad is riddled with misinformation and/or half-truths.

  4. packpigskinfan23 11/04/2008 at 4:21 PM #

    Alpha and GA Wolfs- I hope to whatever the higher power might be you guys are right.

    It is time for a 3rd and possibly 4th party even to come up and let the American people know that its OK to be in the middle somewhere… and its OK to be fiscally responsible and socially liberal.

  5. packpigskinfan23 11/04/2008 at 4:23 PM #

    oh and btw… how about that party start by pushing to do away with the delegate/electoral college clusterf$%*@ that allows the media to decide who the candidates are going to be.

  6. TOBtime 11/04/2008 at 4:26 PM #

    Wow. I didn’t know standing up for what you believe on topics such as abortion was pandering. I always thought it meant you had a backbone when you observed the media and did the opposite.

  7. Alpha Wolf 11/04/2008 at 4:55 PM #

    I always thought it meant you had a backbone when you observed the media and did the opposite.

    No, that’s just being a contrarian.

    These days there are all sorts of media for anyone of any political persuasion to choose from. There are conservative, moderate and liberal news outlets, Internet sites of all flavors and still the traditional media like newspapers besides.

    That in mind, I don’t buy all of the “media bias” crap. If you don’t like Fox because you think they are too far to the right, then you have MSNBC. CNN is increasingly in the middle, with cries from either end of the spectrum that CNN has gone to the “other side.”

    Same thing for newspapers. Don’t like the Washington Post? Read the Washington Times. You can do either on the Internet.

    Then there’s the net itself. You can get your news from all over the place — even YouTube.

    But hey, the media’s out to get your guys…and I hear it from the left and from the right. Daily Kos has daily bitching about the way things are covered. So does Townhall. So does Little Green Footballs…and Talking Points Memo.

    Bottom line is that if you are stuck listening/reading/watching news coverage you don’t like it is your fault for not trying hard enough.

    Me, I read and watch a lot of different kinds of news because I *do* want different opinions from which to use as the basis for forming my own. I don’t waste my time only with folks I agree with because it’s my experience that neither Democrats or Republicans are 100% right about anything…but sometimes they are both very wrong.

  8. BJD95 11/04/2008 at 6:05 PM #

    I won’t get bent out of shape b/c I expect to be VERY happy tonight (for a change). For the country, I hope the sane faction wins the coming GOP civil war. As a partisan, watching the war will be something of a guilty pleasure.

    I can agree that Murtha is kind of an ass, though (not for his war remarks, but for his general boorishness and corruption). The Dems will likely net 25-30 House seats tonight, so I won’t shed any tears if Murtha goes down.

    Yes. We. Can!

  9. Alpha Wolf 11/04/2008 at 6:40 PM #

    I agree…I think that there are a lot of Democrats who think of Murtha as a pain in the ass.

  10. Noah 11/04/2008 at 6:55 PM #

    I disagree that the Democrats are extremists on the left…but if you want to crap on the Republicans some more, I’ll be happy to play!

    🙂

  11. For85 11/04/2008 at 8:02 PM #

    All this wisdom and it’s wasted on politics.

    I never expected so much liberal bs from an otherwise engaged group.

    The republicans have drifted so far left that the conservatives can’t stomach them anymore. Choosing Palin was the only thing that kept Mccain in the race.
    The left is so far out there that socialists appear to viable candidates. At least Hillary has done something in her political life.
    A third party espousing fiscal responsibility, smaller government, immigration control, and strong on states rights would gain immediate large scale support. Of course, the message would have to get out there and the media has shown no interest in covering anyone but the big two. Maybe the time has come for the internets and new media to give a new breed a chance.

    Most of you will probably enjoy the night, I hope you are part of the “rich” ones to be taxed and not of the 95% that voted to get a check from someone else’s work.

    And military service doesn’t give you some kind of “get out of jail free” card from stupid comments for the rest of your life.

    Good night and GO PACK!

  12. redfred2 11/04/2008 at 8:31 PM #

    “Up until the 50s or 60s the Arab world adored the US and hated all of Europe, that has changed quit a bit.”

    Uh yeah, that is correct. I wonder if that is due in part because we were instrumental in dismantling the only other super power, you know, the one that just happened to be over in THEIR own hemisphere? It’s just like sports, everyone is always out to topple the highest powers of the world, only it’s us who are in the crosshairs now. It’s nothing new, just the tired old history of the world repeating itself once again.

    “Replublicans campaign good and Democrats govern good.”

    When I think back over the many campaigns, especially this one in particular, I’d have to say that AT THE VERY LEAST fifty percent of that statement is untrue.

  13. Otis 11/04/2008 at 8:34 PM #

    Actually TOBtime – McCain was a lot closer to pro-choice than pro-life until this election cycle. That was one of the things that I liked about him initially.

  14. redfred2 11/04/2008 at 8:46 PM #

    This is hypothetical but I just have to wonder IF John McCain had gone against the brainthrust and reached across party lines, just like did so many times while voting and writing legislation, and chosen Joe Liberman as his running mate? How much of the republican “base” would he have really lost, versus how many new/former Hilary Clinton supporters would he have picked up in return? I may be way off base as far as what that would have done for McCain’s chances of actually winning the election, but it seems that there was an opportunity there to rein this mess in, and at the same time draw both parties back closer to the center.

    We will never know.

    Just to add, the experience factor, a factor that has been a handicap to both parties in this election, would have been McCain/Liberman’s all the way. Of course, it would have been anyway, but they choose NOT to think about that before they chose a VP running mate who eliminated their own ability to use that in their favor.

  15. Old School Wolf 11/04/2008 at 8:54 PM #

    I say this tongue firmly in cheek. You guys need to quit picking on Fowler because he must be a democrat; he has the media in his pocket, is constantly asking for more of other people’s money , and doesn’t want performance standards for anyone.

  16. Wulfpack 11/04/2008 at 9:24 PM #

    Red, interesting point on the VP pick for the GOP. My take on it is that Lieberman would have really helped to reach across party lines, and he obviously would have brought much more credibility than Palin has. However, I think the Dems would have had a field day with that pick. For one, you’d have two old foggies, no disrespect to any of our elders, running for office. The message would be one of “experience” vs. the ever-present “change”.

    Two, the Dems could further paint the ticket as not knowing what it stands for. Lieberman has been all over the place in his political life, once a liberal, and McCain as we know has been a “maverick” who will stand for one thing one day and change his mind a few years later. I don’t fault him for that. He’s an independent thinker. But it isn’t exactly politically expediate. It’s why true conservatives haven’t exactly warmed up to him.

    And three, McCain needed a game changer. Obama has had all of the momentum and is running against the least popular president of all time, and that president happens to belong to the same party as Obama’s opponent. Palin provided some momementum immediately after the GOP convention. She appealed to the base like McCain could not and women were wild about her. But it was short lived. Pennsylvania’s Hilary supporters went for Obama 80-20. As you may recall, PA broke heavily for Hilary in the DEM primaries. But Obama has whipped McCain in PA tonight, and that may well be the deciding factor. The strategy to pick Palin as his running mate has not worked. But it didn’t mean he should have not attempted the hail mary. He tried.

  17. highstick 11/04/2008 at 9:25 PM #

    I served my 4 years from 66-70 so I’m entitled to say what the heck I want about Murtha. Maybe he did great things then, but he’s made a “horses ass” out of himself and makes me ashamed that he could be that stupid! Frankly, I’d like to put a “boot in his rump”! Got a number of former service buddies in Pa. who feel the same!

  18. Noah 11/04/2008 at 9:26 PM #

    There was absolutely positively NO WAY that McCain could have picked Lieberman. The GOP bosses have veto power and completely blocked him.

    He should have picked Crist or Lindsay Graham.

  19. redfred2 11/04/2008 at 9:49 PM #

    My girls are fairly young, but old enough that they wanted me to tell them a little about what each of the candidates stood for. So I told them of McCain’s many years of service to his country while in the military, and then of the many years of experience and continued service in government that eventually earned him the right to be considered for the highest office in the land. By that time it was getting late anyway, so when they asked me to tell them about Obama, I decided to kill two birds with one stone. I picked up a very thin little book and read them to sleep with a VERY abbreviated version of “Robin Hood”. The very short lenght of the book, the storyline itself, it all seemed fitting in more many ways than one, to me anyway.

  20. PackerInRussia 11/04/2008 at 11:24 PM #

    Well, looks like Joe won’t be buying that plumbing business.

    The Russians will sure be happy. They all think Obama’s great. Maybe after this, Obama could run for Supreme World Leader. Of course, he may not be able to vote “present” in the White House for 4 years to get him to that point. He’ll have to ditch Biden. Probably need someone with more star power, like Bono. Then all the rich countries could give all of their money to the poor countries and we could all hold hands and be friends and there would be no more problems. The only thing left after that would be running for God. I’m sure the current one wouldn’t stand a chance against Obama. Not if it came to a popular vote anyway.

  21. Alpha Wolf 11/04/2008 at 11:46 PM #

    Well, looks like Joe won’t be buying that plumbing business.

    If you mean Samuel the Not-A-Licensed-Plumber, he never intended to buy the plumbing business, and he has said as much in his own words.

    He simply took advantage of a situation and McCain foolishly used him as his campaign metaphor. Problem is that Samuel was and is an empty toolbox who is now living on the donations of his supporters to get by.

    On CNN today, Sam said he was going to start a foundation to help needy folks. It sounds like he’s going to be some kind of a community organizer.

  22. Alpha Wolf 11/04/2008 at 11:53 PM #

    One last thought about this election: it is more than a historic victory for Barack Obama.

    Looking through the results, it is a total repudiation of the Republican Party.

    In NC alone they lost the Senate race, the Governor’s race, and with 95% of the precincts reporting, Barack Obama is ahead for electoral votes he doesn’t even need. North Carolinians sent Robin Hayes home. They sent Liddy Dole home to Washington where she has really lived all along. Pat McCrory didn’t even carry Mecklenberg County, where he was the mayor of its largest city. NC was True Blue tonight, and it rejected Republicans soundly.

    Republicans need to take a long and hard look at not only how they have governed from the White House with vindictive divisiveness, they also need to take a look at how they campaign and the shameful lily-white compostion of their party that no longer reflects the demographics of this country in any meaningful way.

    In short, the Republicans are in danger of becoming a regional party whose true power base is confined to the south. They thought of 2006 as an aberration but tonight’s results prove quite simply that it was the first high wave of the tsunami that came roaring across America’s shores this evening, one that scoured many Republicans out of office, one that is going to wash the Republican Party away completely if it does not embrace change.

    Republicans brought this loss on themselves in so many ways it is hard to count them all fairly. It was well-deserved and well-earned.

  23. sholtzma 11/05/2008 at 6:30 AM #

    To AlphaWolf’s last analysis: Hammer. Nail. Head.

  24. packpowerfan 11/05/2008 at 7:21 AM #

    Great points Alpha Wolf. Also consider the young (under 30) vote to be completely behind Obama. Many are drawing parallels to how Reagan dominated the “youth” vote, which created the Republican vacuum of power that was prevalent until 2006, and then until late last night. Unless the Dem. Party, and more specifically Barack Obama, screw up; then there stands the chance of the Democrats holding on to Washington for a while. Personally, I’m thrilled at the chance for REFORM, not just “change”. Barack carries with him a lot of risk (inexperience, possible Republican alienation, lmnop…) but I feel he also has the promise of immense reward, that is of course if he holds true with what is best for this country. As a final thought to the GOP and its supporters, please stop this “God is going to judge America now” BS. In case you forgot, it is NOT “God Bless the Republican Party”, it is “God Bless America”. Get your priorities straight and we’ll see where we can carry this nation.

  25. haze 11/05/2008 at 8:34 AM #

    Caution is now due to both parties.

    Obama and democratic congress have massive messes to deal with in both the economy and in our 2 wars in the Middle East. Hard decisions are going to need to be made and, frankly, the right moves are going to A) increase the deficit before they can decrease it and B) leave unsolved conflicts in foreign lands. None of that is going to look good in the papers and they’ll be lucky if they can pull it off even then. More to the point, they’ll have to control their own impulses to overshoot. They have a huge challenge ahead, as personal as it is political.

    The Republicans have a major problem with demographics and philosophy. They need a trancendant leader of their own to pull them out of the box that they’ve built for themselves. Whipping up the fervor of evangelicals, devout Catholics and small towns isn’t demographically sound policy. These are important but peripheral constituencies that you need to moderate and draw into the fold with the more saleable libertarian and fiscally conservative wings of the party. The divisive strategy worked for it’s time but it’s time is over. This is not a morality play, it’s a modern, diverse nation that needs serious governance and serious governance means productive policies. It does not mean you should be wasting time on the demagogery of flags, gay marriage, abortion rights and Islam.

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