Russell Wilson Will Start at Clemson

My reaction is somewhat mixed. It seems clear from the N&O’s writeup of Tom O’Brien’s comments that the coach and I saw Beck’s performance similarly. Beck was light years better than a shellshocked Daniel Evans (last night was his worst performance in a Wolfpack uniform – and that’s really saying something). However, Beck continues to be somewhat reckless with the ball, and makes at least half of his throws off his back foot. He can (and did) throw the ball 40-50 yards downfield that way…but it’s still not a good idea. A legitimate defense will bait Beck into serious mistakes, and have CBs better suited to defend the jumpballs that Beck frequently throws. The biggest red flag last night was not the late pick six – it was a throw that Beck completed. Harrison scrambled under pressure, and at the last second found the tight end across the middle for a seven yard gain. However, the throw was against his body, off his back foot, and in the general vicinity of five defenders. If that extremely difficult pass floats, or is off just a little bit, it’s intercepted, with 50/50 odds of being returned deep into Wolfpack territory. Simply put, it was a major risk for a fairly small reward – and over time, those kind of decisions will bite you in the ass, hard. Russell Wilson knows how and when to throw the damned ball away.

On the other hand, I don’t like Russell Wilson getting back into the lineup so quickly after a serious head injury. I have no doubt that he is receiving top-notch medical care, and that team doctors have cleared him to play. But next week’s game is again in a hostile environment, with a big, athletic front seven that will likely get several clear shots at the QB. It’s also a game that the Pack will lose by at least two TDs, regardless of who’s under center. I would rather re-insert Wilson at home against ECU or South Florida, and see if we could still a win (with the opponent having very little tape to study). But these are the hard decisions that Tom O’Brien is paid to make.

The N&O coverage also noted that the Pack WRs were able to get open for Beck, as they had been unable to do for Evans. Their analysis stops there, and does not mention three crucial factors:

1) Opening up the field. Any coaches who have not been lobatimized have no doubt seen the tape of last year’s game against Maryland. The lesson is clear – put 8 or 9 men in the box. Don’t let State run, and aggressively cover the short routes. Evans can’t keep defenses honest with deep or even intermediate throws. William & Mary employed this tactic, and Evans led the Pack to zero first downs over his 7 or 8 possessions. Beck came in, and immediately challenged the Tribe deep, and with intermediate seam routes. After converting several big plays, the shorter routes opened up significantly, and the Pack began moving the ball crisply (at least through the air).

2) Opening up the playbook. With Evans in the game, it seemed as if the Pack only ran four or five plays. Evans’ one deep throw was a third down duck, aimed in the vicinity of a pair of Tribe defenders (but no Pack receiver). William & Mary intercepted the ball and returned it to NC State’s 20. Evans was bailed out by a fumbled option pitch that killed the Tribe’s chances to take the lead. Beck used the whole field and at least double the number of pass plays, and even had a few nice runs. A defense that doesn’t know what is coming is one that plays back on its heels, and is far less aggressive and confident.

3) Confidence/Hope. The rest of the team had some bounce in its step once Beck came into the game. From reading the players’ body language (this was confirmed by several people who attended the game in Columbia), they have no confidence whatsoever in Daniel Evans. When you have little to no faith in your QB, you can’t help but be a step slower. Watching the players interact with Beck, it is clear that they like him and at least have some hope with him under center. This should be even more the case when Wilson returns, as every offseason report we heard praised Wilson’s leadership ability.

Last night was an important win, because it was a win. We don’t have to worry about going 0-for-12, and that most certainly was a realistic fear in the South Carolina aftermath and throughout most of the first half last night. Now, the focus shifts to a handful of remaining games against several non-descript ACC foes (Maryland, Duke, UNC, Boston College). An upset against ECU or UCF also can’t be ruled out, as these teams will not have overwhelming personnel advantages. I would be shocked if State can even be competitive against Clemson, Wake, Miami, or Florida State.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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85 Responses to Russell Wilson Will Start at Clemson

  1. haze 09/08/2008 at 8:33 AM #

    With all due respect, I think we learned what Evans and Beck can do last year. I’ve seen nothing this year that would change my impressions. I’d play Beck over Evans b/c he opens up the field but I’d also expect 2-4 INT’s a game. Neither guy is going to win you many games and neither guy is likely to develop substantially from here.

    With Russell, you have a new tool set that, hopefully, is a better tool set. Can we judge pro or con on 1 full quarter of play? Heck no! However, the coaches have a lot more info than we do on this one (2yrs worth of practice). Plus, there is no denying that Russell’s development potential (as an RS-Fr) is huge relative to 4-5yr guys like Beck & Evans. The coaches know that there is no present or future with the other guys and they’ve decided to optimize the O specifically for Russell. That’s a long view that I can accept from TOB. It doesn’t mean that Russell makes us a winner but it doesn’t mean the opposite either. It just hasn’t played out yet. We’re headed for game 3 but we really haven’t seen anything yet. Frustrating but unavoidable, IMO.

  2. BJD95 09/08/2008 at 8:49 AM #

    The sample size for Wilson is about 5 passes. That’s nowhere near enough to draw any conclusions. Plus, at least 2 of his incompletions were very smart (threw the ball away – which is something Beck and Evans really suck at).

    Beck got away with alot of stuff against W&M that a good defense would capitalize on.

  3. SEAT.5.F.2 09/08/2008 at 8:53 AM #

    The offense is 100% tailored to RW. It should be fun to watch if we can excecute as a team.

    Off the top of my head I remember one offensive penalty – a hold on a true frosh walk-on TE playing FB from Leesville. I recall to special teams penalties and maybe one penalty on D. Regardless, that is really impressive.

    Military appreciation day was awesome, we had a great time and we’re so grateful to be in their presence. We have so much to be proud of being a part of NC State considering the amazing sacrafices so many have made and still are making.

    Some of you ought to re-read some of your comments. You are entitled to your opinions and I’m entitled to mine. My thoughts are that if you compared your spewings to reality you would consider shutting up and/or going away. You are instigators trying to argue nothing coherant. Suck it if you think TOB isn’t doing an amazing job with the cards he has been dealt. I can deal with one Eyore in Noah but thats all I can tolerate.

  4. Par Shooter 09/08/2008 at 9:08 AM #

    I think the bottom line with Beck is that the coaches just don’t feel he is dependable. He seems intent on doing things “his way” and has made public comments that lead one to believe that he takes coaching as a suggestion rather than a mandate.

    I also suspect that Beck’s “conditioning” work over the summer has really pissed the coaches off. There is no doubt that they had a workout regimen for everyone and unless Beck had some undisclosed injury that prevented him from hitting the gym it’s clear that he didn’t bother to follow the plan. A college football player looking like he does is not good and he didn’t seem heavy before. If he sat around eating pizza and drinking beer all summer while his teammates were in the gym then I suspect TOB doesn’t feel he’s worthy of a start.

    From what little you see publicly Beck just does not appear to be very mature and this in his 4th year of college. Probably not going to have a turnaround at this point in his career.

  5. ShootingGuard 09/08/2008 at 9:10 AM #

    “Did you watch the Bama-Clemson game? Clemson looked like crap”

    It would be nice to compare favorably with the 2nd worst team Nick Saban will probably ever have at Bama, but there may not be a guy on State’s team who compares favorably with Bama’s true freshmen, much less their huge talented and experienced offensive line, etc. Wasn’t one of their inside DL’s a legitimate 400lbs?

    Bama’s not THAT good yet, but in game 1 of year 2 Saban showed us all what you have to become and do if you want to be a powerhouse—dominate the trenches on both sides of the ball, wear the other team out with hard running on O and crushing D. TBowden always falls short, even with good talent, because he gets too caught up in his flash guys and forgets those things—but, make no mistake, TBowden is going to try to make a statement with his first ACC game after Bama’s beatdown and a sleepy game vs a no name.

    It doesn’t matter who your qb is—Wilson, Beck, Evans—if you can’t run and you get killed every play OR if your D can’t get off of the field in a timely manner by stopping someone. It all starts with the hogs…

  6. choppack1 09/08/2008 at 9:31 AM #

    Par Shooter – excellent comments on Beck and his weight. He does seem intent on doing things his way..and evidently, that now applies to his conditioning. Like you said, there could be an excuse, but as someone who has to find time to work out to stay in shape in between working and being a father, a college athlete being out of shape really tees me off.

    In his post game comments though – I was very impressed w/ Beck. He does seem to have matured – at least he says all the right things. I don’t know whether it’s just words or really is as mature, support and as humble as he came across, but I’m now pulling for him.

    He also said the OL was better at this point this year than it was last year, so I’m taking we can gleam some hope from that.

  7. highstick 09/08/2008 at 9:43 AM #

    If the Citadel can run up 427 offensive yards on Clemmons, can we at least get half of that amount and play good defense?

  8. Ismael 09/08/2008 at 9:47 AM #

    There was a nice article about Clemson on packpride.

    http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/sep/08/bowden_still_concerned_about_lines53429/

    Clemson got its first and only sack of the season against the Citadel and against either Alabama or the Citadel, Clemson has had 3 total 3-and-Outs. Sounds like they are having a bunch of injuries and Bowden is starting true freshman all over the OL and DL.

    Also saw some really positive press about T.J. Graham. This kid was a 2* recruit and came to NCSU camp and blew everyone away. The whole TOB regime in my mind is awesome at discovering talent. The best thing about this game was the play of Jarvis Williams who, if he wasn’t 6’5 might not have caught that touchdown, Owen Spencer and T.J. Graham.

    I hope i never have to watch another AccSelect game, the incessant commercials on the jumbotron and coming back 2 seconds before the ball is snapped is too nerve racking, not to mention a little cheap in my opinion

  9. Dr. BadgerPack 09/08/2008 at 10:09 AM #

    Perhaps there was too much blood in my alcohol stream, but I don’t think the offensive line has been THAT horrific. It is certainly leaps and bounds ahead of week 2 of last season. I won’t confuse our O-line with the New England Patriots anytime soon (hey, didn’t Brady get hurt behind that awesome line??); but they’re serviceable. Not where we need to be to consistently win in the trenches, but I don’t expect them to be grossly overmatched either. There is at least some semblance of depth, and for the most part the players act like they know where to be.

    Wilson’s risk of reinjury isn’t so much a matter of protection- it’s whether he is victimized by cheap shots (whether intentional or not- the injury was a freak occurrence). Wilson will also need to learn very quickly that he is not Tim Tebow– learn how to avoid taking contact. If you run with the ball, you’ll get hit. Try to limit the contact and certainly don’t go lowering your head to plow into people.

  10. ChiefJoJo 09/08/2008 at 10:11 AM #

    BJD:
    “The sample size for Wilson is about 5 passes. That’s nowhere near enough to draw any conclusions. Plus, at least 2 of his incompletions were very smart (threw the ball away – which is something Beck and Evans really suck at).

    Beck got away with alot of stuff against W&M that a good defense would capitalize on.”

    ^ This is worth repeating and I agree totally.

    Someone made a “small ball” comment. Listen, we do need to throw it downfield to keep the defense honest, but you can’t chuck it down the field without some OL protection (4-5 seconds) and last time I checked our OL isn’t very good. If you chuck it down the field, you risk not moving the chains and not giving the defense some rest (SC). A good stat line for us would be 150 yds rushing and 200-250 yds passing with some good ball control and possession time.

    BTW, not sure if anyone has mention his name but Josh C is looking promising as a kicker. His 2 FGs vs W&M looked solid and his one miss on the season was the long one vs SC.

    We at least have an outside shot vs Clemson if we can muster a decent ground game, keep our defense rested, and take advantage of forced TOs. I wouldn’t bet on it, but you never know.

  11. BJD95 09/08/2008 at 10:17 AM #

    ^ Agree that Josh C. was a real positive on Saturday. Made 2 medium length FGs from the hash, which aren’t “gimmes” in college.

    I must admit that I didn’t notice his blocking one way or the other – but George Bryan is already a better pass-catching TE than Ant Hill. His hands and footwork are freaking amazing. If he can block at all, he may have serious NFL potential.

  12. VaWolf82 09/08/2008 at 10:24 AM #

    I can deal with one Eyore in Noah but thats all I can tolerate.

    Call it whatever you want, but he hasn’t been proven wrong about this FB season.

  13. VaWolf82 09/08/2008 at 10:34 AM #

    We at least have an outside shot vs Clemson if we can muster a decent ground game, keep our defense rested, and take advantage of forced TOs. I wouldn’t bet on it, but you never know.

    You especially won’t know if you ignore the available information. Specifically:

    NC State hasn’t averaged four yards per carry for the season in 10 years.

    http://www.techsideline.com/news_archive/showArticle-3860.php

    Against W&M, State had 67 yards rushing on 30 attempts. (Thank God State had Mary to pick on.)

  14. burnbarn 09/08/2008 at 10:48 AM #

    Even though Josh missed badly in the SC game, the ball had plenty of leg from 49 yrds but he just didn’t turn it toward the goal post.

    I am looking forward to seeing our starting QB play an entire game.

  15. choppack1 09/08/2008 at 11:02 AM #

    VaWolf – The issue isn’t whether we’ll average that for the season, but what we can do for a game. Last year, we rushed the ball well vs. UNC. This year, we rushed it pretty well against USC.

    This doesn’t mean we’ll rush the ball well vs. Clemson – just that – even in the last 10 years, there have been games when we’ve rushed the ball. When we do, I imagine our win-loss record is very respectable.

    DrBP – I think the question is whether or not the refs are going to protect the QB. Against USC there were a couple of borderline shots when he was sliding. Someone made a good point on an earlier thread that NCAA refs seem more concerned about excessive celebrations than they are about shots to the head. I would think if they want to eliminate this dangerous part of the game, they should call shots to the head when there is any doubt. (of course, this could lead to more knee injuries and more defenders getting hurt as they point their head at the moving legs of the ballcarrier.)

  16. Lunatic Fringe 09/08/2008 at 11:47 AM #

    Doctor BP,

    I tend to agree that I don’t think the OL has been as terrible as some make it out to be, but just extremely inconsistent. The OL will have 2 good plays than immediately follow it up with 1 horrible play so that inevitably it leads to a short series for the offense. I think the original post alluded to part of the problem when it talked about opening up the offense with Beck/Wilson.

    Once we prove that we can actually throw beyond the first down marker than the OL play should become more consistent. The linebackers and secondary will have to be respectful of the pass so there will be fewer bodies to have to block.

    It is simple math:

    5 OL + 1 TE + 1 RB = 7 Potential Blockers < 8 or 9 Defensive Men in the Box

  17. choppack1 09/08/2008 at 12:12 PM #

    LF – to agree w/ your point, there were 2 plays were W&M’s DE went right aroud our tackles and had a direct shot at the qb.

  18. Noah 09/08/2008 at 12:16 PM #

    I think O’Brien has done about all he can with what he had to work with.

    When Tom Reed left and Sheridan came in, he left Sheridan with an NFL QB and three NFL WRs (Jeffires, Worthen and Peebles). He also left him with a defense that was league-average and an NFL kicker (Cofer).

    When O’Cain left and Amato came in, he left Amato with an OL that had two future NFL players (Colmer and Kooistra), an NFL WR (Robinson), the reigning ACC ROY (RayRob), and a defense with an NFL DE (Corey Smith), an NFL LB (Fisher) and three NFL DBs (Holt, Wilson and Williams). He also had gotten a commitment from one of the best QBs to ever play in the ACC in Phillip Rivers.

    When O’Brien came in, he was left with decent RBs, but no OL and no QB. Not even a DECENT quarterback on the roster. He was left with an awful OL and even worse, a roster of OL that weren’t going to contribute in the future, so you have to wait for them to leave to free up some scholarships. The WR corp was average. The DL had some decent players, but the LB corp was empty and no depth at DB (especially safety). And the cherry on the top was the pitiful play of the special teams.

    O’Brien’s had basically 1.5 recruiting classes and he’s done really well. That first class has had a number of nice surprises in it. The first full class (O’Brien’s second) was terrific and I’ll take one just like it every single year. The third class (class 2.5) isn’t going to be great, but there’s going to be a number of players that fit very specific holes and it will contribute.

    One of the biggest things working against us is depth. We don’t have 85 guys on the roster. We’re probably not going to have 85 until the year after next.

  19. RabidWolf 09/08/2008 at 12:22 PM #
  20. Wolf Dog 09/08/2008 at 1:31 PM #

    I like TOB’s decision to start Wilson. He opens up our offense more. I would like to see us run some option type plays like Florida does and Wilson can do that. Hopefully Eugene will be back also and that opens up our offense even more. Would not be surprised if TOB rotates Wilson and Beck some, especially if we get behind by a couple of touchdowns. Then I would not be surprised to see Beck in the shotgun. One good thing going for us going into Clemson is they got OL problems and we got a good D line and that makes winning possible if we avoid turnovers. And thank god Beck didn’t transfer. The joke around Maryland is Frid. won’t be run out of town, they going to fork lift him out!

  21. choppack1 09/08/2008 at 1:46 PM #

    Noah – Your list really has the luxury of hindsight.

    We know that one player from last year’s team is already in the NFL. We could have a future NFL running back or two, we could even, gasp – have future NFL OLs…I suspect, he inherited at least one future NFL WR.

    I guess what I’m saying is that things are bad, but not necessarily that different from what previous regimes – namely Amato and Sheridan inherited. Of course, in year 1 of TOB, we beat ECU and UNC, and we didn’t have the luxury of playing Duke…The UMd and Wake teams that TOB played were vastly superior to the UMd and Wake teams that Amato and Sheridan faced.

    In other words, last year’s 5-7 was about as good as a 5-7 team could be – and I thought, represented a solid coaching job. Now, the blowout defeats vs. UMd, Louisville and Clemson – and the performance against UCF weren’t encouraging, but they can be chalked up to transition….just as this year’s USC game can be chalked up to the same. If we are seeing games like those in 2 years, I’ll be very concerned.

  22. Girlfriend in a Coma 09/08/2008 at 1:59 PM #

    Also, it should be noted that even with all of the talent Sheridan inherited, he could only manage 4-7 in his second year. And obviously he was a hell of a coach.

  23. Greywolf 09/08/2008 at 2:06 PM #

    VaWolf82 says: “Against W&M, State had 67 yards rushing on 30 attempts. (Thank God State had Mary to pick on.)”

    I didn’t see it that way. I thought we handled William pretty good…

    (OK, so I stole that line from Earl Edwards when asked after a 7-6 loss against W&M, how he thought his team played.)

  24. choppack1 09/08/2008 at 2:23 PM #

    I think – unless total incompetence is proven w/ the existing players – you have to give the guys a chance to see what he can do when he gets his own guys on the roster. The problem w/ Amato isn’t what he did w/ MOC’s guys. The problem is that the longer he stayed, the worse we got.

  25. Noah 09/08/2008 at 3:06 PM #

    We know that one player from last year’s team is already in the NFL. We could have a future NFL running back or two, we could even, gasp – have future NFL OLs…I suspect, he inherited at least one future NFL WR.

    Eugene seems a little small to be an NFL RB. Barring a miraculous comeback, I doubt anyone even invites Baker to camp. Andre Brown is a guy who could be training camp fodder. But Brown has a habit that drives coaches absolutely insane. He dances. He’ll take the handoff and instead of sticking his nose in there and taking what’s in front of him, he wants to dance around from gap to gap. Do that in training camp and you’ll have a nice man telling you that the coach wants to see you…and bring your playbook.

    Curtis Crouch is the only lineman I see who has an NFL body. I don’t need to rehash the problems with Curtis Crouch though.

    At WR, there are plenty of good college players, but I don’t see any that have the combination of size and speed to be an NFL guy. We’ll see though…

    And the problem with Amato was that once Doc Holliday left, he couldn’t recruit anymore. That was it.

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