Russell Wilson Will Start at Clemson

My reaction is somewhat mixed. It seems clear from the N&O’s writeup of Tom O’Brien’s comments that the coach and I saw Beck’s performance similarly. Beck was light years better than a shellshocked Daniel Evans (last night was his worst performance in a Wolfpack uniform – and that’s really saying something). However, Beck continues to be somewhat reckless with the ball, and makes at least half of his throws off his back foot. He can (and did) throw the ball 40-50 yards downfield that way…but it’s still not a good idea. A legitimate defense will bait Beck into serious mistakes, and have CBs better suited to defend the jumpballs that Beck frequently throws. The biggest red flag last night was not the late pick six – it was a throw that Beck completed. Harrison scrambled under pressure, and at the last second found the tight end across the middle for a seven yard gain. However, the throw was against his body, off his back foot, and in the general vicinity of five defenders. If that extremely difficult pass floats, or is off just a little bit, it’s intercepted, with 50/50 odds of being returned deep into Wolfpack territory. Simply put, it was a major risk for a fairly small reward – and over time, those kind of decisions will bite you in the ass, hard. Russell Wilson knows how and when to throw the damned ball away.

On the other hand, I don’t like Russell Wilson getting back into the lineup so quickly after a serious head injury. I have no doubt that he is receiving top-notch medical care, and that team doctors have cleared him to play. But next week’s game is again in a hostile environment, with a big, athletic front seven that will likely get several clear shots at the QB. It’s also a game that the Pack will lose by at least two TDs, regardless of who’s under center. I would rather re-insert Wilson at home against ECU or South Florida, and see if we could still a win (with the opponent having very little tape to study). But these are the hard decisions that Tom O’Brien is paid to make.

The N&O coverage also noted that the Pack WRs were able to get open for Beck, as they had been unable to do for Evans. Their analysis stops there, and does not mention three crucial factors:

1) Opening up the field. Any coaches who have not been lobatimized have no doubt seen the tape of last year’s game against Maryland. The lesson is clear – put 8 or 9 men in the box. Don’t let State run, and aggressively cover the short routes. Evans can’t keep defenses honest with deep or even intermediate throws. William & Mary employed this tactic, and Evans led the Pack to zero first downs over his 7 or 8 possessions. Beck came in, and immediately challenged the Tribe deep, and with intermediate seam routes. After converting several big plays, the shorter routes opened up significantly, and the Pack began moving the ball crisply (at least through the air).

2) Opening up the playbook. With Evans in the game, it seemed as if the Pack only ran four or five plays. Evans’ one deep throw was a third down duck, aimed in the vicinity of a pair of Tribe defenders (but no Pack receiver). William & Mary intercepted the ball and returned it to NC State’s 20. Evans was bailed out by a fumbled option pitch that killed the Tribe’s chances to take the lead. Beck used the whole field and at least double the number of pass plays, and even had a few nice runs. A defense that doesn’t know what is coming is one that plays back on its heels, and is far less aggressive and confident.

3) Confidence/Hope. The rest of the team had some bounce in its step once Beck came into the game. From reading the players’ body language (this was confirmed by several people who attended the game in Columbia), they have no confidence whatsoever in Daniel Evans. When you have little to no faith in your QB, you can’t help but be a step slower. Watching the players interact with Beck, it is clear that they like him and at least have some hope with him under center. This should be even more the case when Wilson returns, as every offseason report we heard praised Wilson’s leadership ability.

Last night was an important win, because it was a win. We don’t have to worry about going 0-for-12, and that most certainly was a realistic fear in the South Carolina aftermath and throughout most of the first half last night. Now, the focus shifts to a handful of remaining games against several non-descript ACC foes (Maryland, Duke, UNC, Boston College). An upset against ECU or UCF also can’t be ruled out, as these teams will not have overwhelming personnel advantages. I would be shocked if State can even be competitive against Clemson, Wake, Miami, or Florida State.

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85 Responses to Russell Wilson Will Start at Clemson

  1. Scooter 09/07/2008 at 8:47 AM #

    A couple quick notes:

    Evans looked like he had to try really hard to throw the ball last night. The shoulder surgery does not look to have been a success (at least on the football field). Having just been through ACL surgery, I can attest to the “gun-shy” factor. When he was on the field, the offense lacked any sort of timing or punch. Flat.

    The crowd cheered when, on 3rd and long, Beck chucked a ball from the W&M 45 to the end-zone. (Help me out with the receiver) didn’t catch it, but the Tribe had at least three men in coverage after that.

    The Clemson game seems like the perfectly wrong time to put Wilson back in. He’ll be only two weeks away from having his brain rattled and Clemson, probably more so than USC, has the horses to do the same. We are not expecting a win out of Death Valley and it would be nice not for Wilson to get crunched his first game back from injury.

  2. packsage 09/07/2008 at 8:48 AM #

    Russel Wilson should start. He needs game experience even with poor line play. Who knows, maybe he’ll develop into a Patrick Pinkney. BTW, it was amazing watching other teams, Ole Miss for one, get very good quaterback play, yet State can’t seem to get a quaterback who can lead an offense.

  3. wufpup76 09/07/2008 at 8:58 AM #

    packsage makes a valid point, BUT, I would prefer for the chunky gunslinger to get the start this weekend … If we’re going to go down hard, go down guns blazing – and if he throws 12 Int’s so what … I’d prefer to get Russell another week of recovery if he’s not all the way back

    That said, I really like Russell and if he is indeed fully recovered then he’s absolutely the choice … I’ve got full confidence in TOB, so hopefully Russell is and will be fine

  4. Scooter 09/07/2008 at 9:05 AM #

    At least when Beck throws most of his INTs, they’re way down field. Its almost more of a punt than an Evans pick.

  5. RBCRowdy 09/07/2008 at 9:17 AM #

    packsage, olemiss’ QB is a transfer from Texas who just barely lost the job to colt mccoy when he was at Texas.

    If R Wilson doesnt play this week, then when will he play. ECU’s front seven destroyed WVU and USF has the best DE in football with Seville. There isnt an easy game to ease him in.

    Lastly, I’ve cant remember a wolfpack crowd turning so quickly on a player. Granted he played poorly, but the entire crowd was booing after that first interception.

  6. charger17 09/07/2008 at 9:43 AM #

    I was watching the pitiful video feed from ACCSelect. One of the few things they showed was the coin toss. I was scared from the beginning watching Evans’ body language at center field. I know some might say I’m reading too much into this observation, but it was very clear from the opening that Evans was wishing he was not the guy starting.

  7. PacknSack 09/07/2008 at 10:35 AM #

    My friends and I refer to Beck as “Harrison ‘Screw it, I’m going long’ Beck. My football coaching associates say Beck goes through he progressions too fast and — almost invariably — just decides to chuck it as far as he can rather than toss it away or do what he is supposed to do.

    Let’s not lose sight of coach’s job to put the best possible team on the field each week. If Wilson playing means that, then he should be out there.

    That being said, a concussion, no matter how mild, is not something to be played through. I have long believed that players diagnosed with a concussion — regardless of severity — should sit out of game action a mandatory 4 weeks.

  8. Greywolf 09/07/2008 at 11:13 AM #

    “Lastly, I’ve cant remember a wolfpack crowd turning so quickly on a player. Granted he played poorly, but the entire crowd was booing after that first interception.”

    This “part of the crowd” wasn’t booing Evans, this part of the crowd was booing Bible. Actually I didn’t boo — I just don’t like booing State players no matter what — but I was disgusted with the coaches choice of personell, play calling and offensive design adn not necessarily in that order. If I were Bible, I’d fire my quarterback coack… wait a minute, Bible is the quarterback coach.

    For starters the design of the pass offence is obsolete. Sure we catch a few balls, get open some but by and large it is either defensive breakdown or excellent offensive execution. We appear to be “flooding the zone” I guess that is what we are doing. Certainly our pass attack appears to be designed to give our QB several options. Unfortunately we haven’t had a QB who could check the options quickly enough to find the open man and deliver the ball.

    Throwing short passes does give the defense the opportunity to get some of those 8 and 9 men “in the box” opportunity to get in the pass coverage. It looks like our QB is trying to pick out a receiver in the Brickyard at noon.

    Lou Holtz (back in the days he was at NCSU and I gave a shit what he had to say) used to talk about using his WRs to “run off the D-backs” meaning you didn’t have to block them if they were turned away from the play sprinting to keep our WRs in coverage. When you go deep with 2 or 3 receivers, there is room underneath for the tight end to cross underneath and the backs in delayed swing routes. Sending our backs out with our WOs 7 and 10 yards down field makes for the kind of hit that Morgan put on the poor William and Mary receiver last night.

    I said all that to make this point: I am not impressed with our Offensive Coordinator and given TOB’s value on loyalty, I don’t expect much change. Fool me Tom. There is talk about the package put in to take advantage of Wilson’s running ability. If we keep everybody within 15 yards of the quarterback to block, it stands to reason that defenders are there too. I just don’t think it’s all execution. We don’t seem to have an offensive philosophy and if we do it doesn’t seem to stand a chance of succeeding.

    There doesn’t appear to be any rhyme or reason to our play calling. On 1st down Brown picks up 6 yds. On 2nd down Graham is almost killed and we almost gave up 6 on a 2 yard pass. What was that play setting up or when did we set that play up. Does Graham have a reputation ala GT’s Johnson of a few years ago? Did any defender have any reason to fear DE going deep? Could DE throw deep enough to give Graham a chance to create some separation with his speed? I mean we had him open against SC on blown coverage and DE couldn’t get it to him in a situation that Beck likely would have overthrown him.

    We sent the defensive coaches to learn how to defend the spread. Why do that? Is the spread something to fear? Is the spread an offense that moves the football? If the answer is yes, then why are we running the ‘no name’ offense?

  9. Wulfpack 09/07/2008 at 11:19 AM #

    I am just concerned about the psyche of Wilson. His first experience as QB of the Pack in Columbia was a bad one. Now he gets to play his first full game in Death Valley, and then there’s the mighty Pirates and after that we have South Florida, BC and Florida State. There is no easy game in there for sure. I just hope we can get through this stretch without being absolutely pummeled, both on the scoreboard as well as physically. If Wilson begins taking a ton of shots, and we’re down big, you’ve got to pull him for the sake of his own development. I undertsand TOB is going to want to win these games, but the probability is not all that great and you have a fragile freshman QB leading the way. Not exactly the ideal circumstances for a young player to learn and to grow.

  10. Iremember87 09/07/2008 at 11:26 AM #

    Allowing Wilson to play QB next week is borderline criminal.
    With our Offensive line Nate Irving is our only hope at QB.

    If I never hear “Thunder” again it will be too soon.

  11. packbackr04 09/07/2008 at 11:39 AM #

    last night was the first time i questioned TOB and Co as well. Leaving Evans in the game as long as they did was wrong! flat out wrong. Evans has taken his last snap in a wilfpack uniform and rightly so. look i like Dannie Evans, he is a good kid. and he has had MORE than enough opportunities to proove he is worthy of PT. he just is not any good. period. end of discussion. I lookk for Wilson to start, then O’Brien to pull him in the 2nd quearter for a few series (which i also do not agree with) and for Wilson to play out the season, assuming the O-line can give him enough time to avoid a SERIOUS spinal injury this time

  12. burnbarn 09/07/2008 at 11:40 AM #

    Scoot.. the pick 6 beck threw was Evansesque to the flat.

    I am okay with Wilson starting.. i guess TOB wants to give us our best chance to win the next game.

  13. Greywolf 09/07/2008 at 11:58 AM #

    Regarding Wilson’s thoughts and fears, this is not his first day in football. And he could be playing at safety or CB. I assert that if given the green light, he could dish it out as well as take it.

    He didn’t get pummeled in South Carolina. Oh, it would seem like a beating to me, just being hit, but the “pummelling” he took was late hits and a spearing and an “accidental” knee to the head — all of which should have been penalized. (I didn’t realize it but celebrating a TD is a far more serious offence than late hits and spearing. BTW we didn’t celebrate any more and the late hits would have stopped, too. A penalty and a warning and an ejection would have seen to that.)

    I saw football players last night. Beck punished a defender ala Marcus Stone last night. Underwood choose to hit a defender going in for his touchdown in lieu of some evasive move that would have gotten him in as well. Our D is expected to hit but they exceeded my expectations more than once.

    If it were DE we were talking about, I would agree with the psyche bit, but not a football player. This is football, ladies, not badmitten.

  14. Noah 09/07/2008 at 11:59 AM #

    I’m still chuckling over the idea that shoulder surgery was going to make Evans shoulder *stronger.*

    Really? When has that ever happened? When has an MLB pitcher ever had shoulder surgery and come out throwing harder??

  15. Tom O is my herO 09/07/2008 at 12:00 PM #

    Sure the offense wasn’t at the top of its game, but why should we reveal all our plays to Clemson…Bible is smart for playing conservative against W&M…he will open the playbook next week.

  16. RabidWolf 09/07/2008 at 12:01 PM #

    Evans actually has one (I’ll pause here for you to wipe the coffee or other beverage off your screens) major problem. He is vertically challenged…too damned short. At 6′ 1″ there’s no possible way he can see over his own O-line, much less the D-line. Beck being much taller, he can see the field and therefore can progress through his receivers better (when he does). Wilson can tuck and run when he has to, but Beck showed he was not afraid of running or blocking. It may be the opinion that it’s too soon to put Wilson back on the field, but I’ll trust TOB and the team doctors….Let’s wait and see.

  17. RabidWolf 09/07/2008 at 12:08 PM #

    BTW….it was really nice to see…..and hear….a huge hit by our defense again (I think it was big Nate). That poor kid didn’t see stars…he saw constellations. Scratch that..galaxies. I sit in the end zone seats (the old field house area) and we all heard that hit like it happened in our seats. GREAT TO SEE A HARD NOSED DEFENSE AGAIN!! Anybody get that one on video???

  18. Wulfpack 09/07/2008 at 12:08 PM #

    It is football and the the facts are in the kid’s first game he was taken off a stretcher and sent to the hospital. I would imagine that would have an impact on anyone’s psyche, most certainly a freshman’s, no matter how tough he is.

  19. ChiefJoJo 09/07/2008 at 12:09 PM #

    Good analysis and I agree. Wilson is a better leader, has a solid arm (better than DE, not as good as Beck), and seems to be a good decision-maker from what little we saw in Columbia. More than that, the coaches like what he brings to the team. End of story. I don’t agree with the argument that he should be held out vs Clemson for a later week. Frankly, based on results, ECU looks like a better defensive unit than Clemson, so not sure starting him vs the Pirates would be any better.

    Why is anyone questioning the coaches? You could maybe question a play here or there, but geez people. We are completely out-maned out there for the most part on offense. Our OL got pushed into the backfield by *William & Mary* most of the night, and our best play-makers (Eugene, Hill, Bowens) aren’t available.

    Repeat after me: it’s not the Xs and the Os its the Jims and the Joes.

    On a bright note, it was good to see TJ Graham and George Bryan make some plays out there. Those two will be key contributors for us in the coming years. (It’s also scary that we have to rely so much on two freshmen.) And what more can you say for Nate Irving? That dude is clearly our best defensive player, and I can’t see how it’s even close. Two games, double-digit tackles, TFLs, key fumble recoveries, INTs… the guy is everywhere. All-ACC material this year.

    I think some folks said in the game thread that was the only win all year. Please come off the ledge. No we are not a very good team right now, but we managed to win 5 games last year after a terrible start, so I think we will carve out a few more wins somehow. And hey, the defense is forcing plenty of TOs this year, so if we can just get some decent offensive consistency, we will win a few games.

  20. Greywolf 09/07/2008 at 12:16 PM #

    The O line is not effective, granted, but does this mean the O-line can’t be coached and improve? This looking at one play or series or one or two games and projecting that for the season is conceding that our coaches are ineffective. Wait… maybe this is the problem. If our O-line can’t move bigger, stronger players out, then our OC and OL coach should be designing blocking schemes that let a player do what he can succeed at, take advantage of what they can do.

    TOB’s rep for developing O-linemen may be the source of our failure as an O-line. While WF now has very good linemen, WF used schemes that allowed OL to be successful BEFORE they developed into good linemen. Development works but working inside a players ability works also.

    And remember, the sun don’t shine on the same dog’s ass all day. Our day is coming.

  21. RabidWolf 09/07/2008 at 12:16 PM #

    Graham is gonna be a monster. He made some great grabs last night. Bryan was a pleasant surprise when he was pressed into service, made some tremendous plays himself. Bright future in those two.

  22. BJD95 09/07/2008 at 12:31 PM #

    Here is what I believe was the coaching staff’s thinking heading into last night – they knew Wilson would start the following week, so it wasn’t about finding the best QB going forward. They felt that we should be able to run a limited offensive package (all Evans can handle) and get away with it – rather than play the allegedly riskier Harrison Beck.

    I can see that argument, just think they stayed with Evans a few series too long.

  23. RabidWolf 09/07/2008 at 12:34 PM #

    Granted, Beck makes riskier throws…but remember, with great risk comes great reward.

  24. Greywolf 09/07/2008 at 12:34 PM #

    A moving pocket doesn’t require dominating the D-line. If we are getting pushed in the backfield, then the coaches complaining (to themselves of course) about the Mikes and Joes is not coaching. All coaches adjust the Xs and Os”. The ones who make the adjustments at half time and win the second half aren’t adjusting the Mikes and Joes. Maybe that’s all YOU know how to do but I expect our coaches to know far more than that.

    The only two instances where Xs and Os don’t matter is when you have big, fast, skilled players and small, slow and unskilled players. It doesn’t matter what you run in either of those cases. USC(Cal) doesn’t need advantages because they have big, fast, skilled players. Unless NCSU has the latter, we had better give our players some advantages until we have the former.

    For what it’s worth I say the medical considerations and concerns are the only valid concerns regarding Wilson’s playing. If he is shy about taking a hit, one or two games off will not make a difference.

  25. OwenDorm83 09/07/2008 at 12:35 PM #

    Quotes:

    “Lastly, I’ve cant remember a wolfpack crowd turning so quickly on a player. Granted he played poorly, but the entire crowd was booing after that first interception.”

    I boo-ed lustily. First three throws were:

    1 completion for -1 yard
    1 pick
    1 pick that the DB dropped.

    When the screen pass landed 8 yards behind the running back, I had seen enough.

    I’m not proud of that, but doggone it enough is enough.

    “If I never hear “Thunder” again it will be too soon.”

    +1. Is our game day production crew out of Junior High school yet? And now, let’s introduce the Pack’s biggest fans, Mr. & Mrs. Wolf… How lame is that.

    On a bright note, it was good to see TJ Graham and George Bryan make some plays out there. Those two will be key contributors for us in the coming years.

    +1

    Nate Irving reminds me a LOT of Stephen Tulloch. He’s all over the field. Easily our best defensive player.

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