Ray Tanner to the rescue?

I’ve spoken with a few Wolfpackers through the years that have often referred to Ray Tanner as one of their top choices to replace Lee Fowler as the next Athletics Director at NC State. This article/entry had some interesting comments that may give us some hope that help may be on the way:

Questions about what could be perceived as a lateral move for Holbrook have risen in Chapel Hill. Sources tell GamecockAnthem that Holbrook also has a good relationship with Tar Heel head coach Mike Fox, but South Carolina offers him several things that North Carolina currently doesn’t. Tanner has publicly acknowledged that he only plans on coaching a few more seasons and would like to move into athletic administration, while Fox has publicly said he plans to coach at least another decade. Holbrook would be the natural successor to either coach, but is much more likely to become a head coach at a major program sooner at USC than at UNC.

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50 Responses to Ray Tanner to the rescue?

  1. EverettBeez 07/08/2008 at 9:28 AM #

    Spanky asked how long can an AD stay – some can stay for ever and ever and ever. Growing up, I thought Willis Casey had been and always would be the State AD. So could Foulup stay 10+ years? You bet.

    I was in the Virginia Blue Ridge for the 4th. I saw several State stickers and plates as I drove back down I-81 into Tenn – nice to see us representing. Also, in the Carrol County News, one of the pic’s of the high school’s cross country team had a young woman front and center with a huge S on her t-shirt!

  2. Pack92 07/08/2008 at 9:35 AM #

    Noah, I haven’t met Charlie personally so I can’t comment on his potential to be AD. From all accounts he has done outstanding jobs both at NCSU and at App. Dick Sheridan was a great leadership guy to learn from! I DO however, know Ray Tanner and one of my best friends actually went to school with him. Rest assured the monkey business would stop as soon as Rays rear hit the seat. I expect many monkeys would be gone before he ever walked in the AD office. Ray is a leader and man of action, not talk. You WILL produce or else. Would the current idiots we have as administrators support him? Who knows? I expect he would do just as well or better than CTC at bringing in the cash.

  3. 66pack 07/08/2008 at 10:16 AM #

    Why would someone whom desires to be a successful AD come to NCSU with the current admin. in place?talk about pissing in the wind.

  4. gcpack 07/08/2008 at 11:40 AM #

    Nice thought 66.

    If the admin at NCSU is so bad that we can’t attract an AD then how can they even take care of all the other aspects of a major university?

    Why don’t we just pack everything up, divy up all the schools at NCSU among the other universities in the UNC system and close the doors?

    Sometimes the negativity here about our school is ridiculous.

  5. redfred2 07/08/2008 at 11:56 AM #

    “If the admin at NCSU is so bad that we can’t attract an AD then how can they even take care of all the other aspects of a major university?”

    Sorry gc, don’t mean to add to the negativity, but by all accounts aren’t they basically maintaining at the moment, and not really improving much of anything? That is with the exception their futilities, of course.

  6. RedTerror29 07/08/2008 at 12:12 PM #

    Hiring the baseball coach certainly worked for LSU.

    I think our AD position is VERY attractive. We recently hired both basketball and football coaches, so the new AD won’t immediately have to make those huge choices; we have very good facilities; we have a donor base both broad (20,000+) and deep (Wendell Murphy et al); there is no Dean Smith,Coach K, or Frank Broyles-type figure overshadowing you and diminishing your influence; the administration is more prone to let you do your job than meddle because a few donors are whining; NCSU is a large state school in a BCS conference; etc.

    The number of more than qualified candidates who would likely jump at the opportunity to serve as our AD (Purcell, Holland, Cobb, Tanner, etc.) makes it even more confusing as to why Fowler continues to serve in inept impunity.

  7. RAWFS 07/08/2008 at 12:19 PM #

    Bo, that was me that posted that.

    We did a bit of trolling up and down the river looking for stripers a couple miles west of the dam, but I never really got too serious with it because my boat and I have a few trust issues right now.

    It’s 12 and was the last year that the 3.2L Chevy motor was carbed and the damn carb (Holley 2 bbl) will not tune properly no matter what I do to it. It’s a Holley, basically half of a typical Holley 4 bbl and I have rebuilt my fair share of those, so I am figuring I know my way around one. But, there is just no overcoming the thing running rich and sucking gas like it wanted to buy a Saudi prince a new harem. Time to just replace the dadgum thing in my book, or buy a new boat. The latter will get me plenty of peaceful nights on the sofa.

  8. Noah 07/08/2008 at 12:25 PM #

    I can’t speak for Tanner, but in Cobb’s case, a move to NCSU from App. State would be a significant move up. I would imagine that it would be a substantial salary boost and it would most definitely be an enormous step forward in terms of visibility.

    If you’re the AD at NC State, you’re going to be on TV, you’re going to be in the paper, you’re going to be on committees with other people you’ve read about your entire life. You’re going to sit next to important people at important games and you’re going get phone calls from bowl representatives and the NCAA office and John Swofford and other notable folks.

    When I was in college, I remember asking someone why anyone would want to be chief of staff at the White House when it seemed like such a grind and such a pain in the butt. Horrible hours and you get all the blame and none of the glory. The person answered, “Because you can do it for a year and walk out of that job into any job on the planet.” Want to be a diplomat? Want to be on the board of directors of a major corporation or a multi-national bank? Want to be a lobbyist? Want to collect enormous speaking fees or take a cushy teaching job at an Ivy League school? Want to run a newsroom or host your own show?

    Being the AD at NC State isn’t *quite* that good. But it’s a step towards something like that. If you do it well, you can turn that job into a bridge towards damn near anything you want. Especially if you’re a young cat like Charlie Cobb.

  9. highstick 07/08/2008 at 12:30 PM #

    I stopped in a seafood market on Hwy 24 between Newport and Cape Carteret last week to buy some shrimp. I had on a Gamecock T shirt(so as not to give Lee Fowler any of my money) and the young fellow waiting on me started talking about the upcoming football game with State. I told him wearing that T Shirt was what a NC State Alum does when he gets so “pi..ed off” with NC State Athletics! He laughed and said his Dad was also a State grad and was so mad with them that he’d quit watching!

    Sorry Lee, us lunatics aren’t just on the Interweb! They are in the seafood markets and bait shops too!!

  10. Pack92 07/08/2008 at 2:31 PM #

    ^Highstick, I found plenty of them at Topsail the first week of June as well. It amazes me the rage you run across, at least in this state, directed at the overall downward direction of NC State athletics yet the lack of action to correct it.

  11. redfred2 07/08/2008 at 4:37 PM #

    RAWFS, ditch that gas hog and buy something with a four stroke outboard. I’ve had the same Honda outboard on two different boats since 1993, the majority of that time in saltwater, and the motor has been bullet proof. It’ll probably blow up this weekend after saying that, but it has more than earned it’s keep anyway.

    Speaking of fishing, and Pack92 mentions Topsail Island, some of the best speckled trout fishing on the east coast down in that area.

    Sorry to get off topic there, Lee does still suck though.

  12. highstick 07/08/2008 at 4:45 PM #

    Can we start a fishing thread? I’d like to know where you guys are fishing now. I haven’t fished much in Eastern NC in a long time, but would like to guide a friend who has moved there from Va. I bought a boat from him in 1975 and found out the hard way this weekend that he still doesn’t know how to operate a boat…at least in salt water anyway. I lived on the coast for a number of years and didn’t anticipate such stupidity from someone that I thought knew what he was doing. Obviously he never heard of reverse when trying to dock!

  13. redfred2 07/08/2008 at 5:06 PM #

    “Can we start a fishing thread?”

    Hell, why not Highstick, NC State is the defending National Champ afterall.

  14. redfred2 07/08/2008 at 5:15 PM #

    I don’t know about a fishing thread though? You talk about whining, complaining, and add to that, out right lying, and we’re pretty much back to where we started, just another typical SFN thread. 😉

  15. highstick 07/08/2008 at 8:50 PM #

    Heck, Lee might join us if we had a fishing thread! Think he’d like to go offshore? A one way trip maybe???

  16. PackerInRussia 07/08/2008 at 9:59 PM #

    “If you’re the AD at NC State, you’re going to be on TV, you’re going to be in the paper, you’re going to be on committees with other people you’ve read about your entire life”

    Don’t forget the multiple radio appearances

  17. vtpackfan 07/09/2008 at 7:09 AM #

    Holbrook made it official. Carolina to Carolina.

    Wheels in motion; please Jed, for your sake start making arrangements now, maybe even con a deal with some big donor that you will step down when Tanner is ready. Terms should read {Concede active post for a lake/beach house to be named later}.

    Serious note, how far responsible was Holbrook for UNC’s recruiting dominance? THey have already established the house hold name recognition that is far reaching, but was Holbrook a major closer on recruits (think Tom Holliday like)?

    Just curious, thought someone might have a tid bit of info.

  18. RAWFS 07/09/2008 at 8:57 AM #

    “Don’t forget the multiple radio appearances”

    And your own TV show where you can show off your fishin’ and golfin’ tan.

  19. wufpup76 07/09/2008 at 1:22 PM #

    “Why would someone whom desires to be a successful AD come to NCSU with the current admin. in place?talk about pissing in the wind.”

    Negative, perhaps – but also all too true … Doesn’t this more-or-less sum up why it sucks to be a State fan right now? Even if Ray Tanner or Charlie Cobb would be the best AD EVER they are still going to face constant p*ssing matches w/ the administration …

    I’m afraid that it may take nothing short of a French-style Revolution to get some real culture change at my beloved NC State … Where is Robespierre when you need him? “To the guillotine!!!”

  20. RabidWolf 07/09/2008 at 5:03 PM #

    It, unfortunately, is all about $$$$. Once the cash rolls in, everything else can be damned in the eyes of the current administration. Fowler is an idiot, and Oblinger apparently can’t remember where he last put his testicles. A complete overhaul of the current admin. is what needs to happen.

    Anybody else catch the “no more than 5 years” article in the ‘Disturber’ today?

    http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/ncsu/story/1135412.html

  21. highstick 07/09/2008 at 5:55 PM #

    Testicles? Obie?? He was castrated long ago and I’ll bet his wife even slaps him around!

    I didn’t see anything about Fowler’s contract. How much time does he have left on his?

  22. redfred2 07/09/2008 at 8:53 PM #

    This is long, very long, and it might not be very funny, but anyway…

    I like to call this…

    “A Typical Late Fall/Early Winter Afternoon in the Region’s Bank Center”

    We catch this story unfolding as the Director of All Things Athletic at NC State University, Lee “Coach” Fowler, enters the fabled “Wolves Den”, acting as smitten as sixteen year old who‘s just discovered his Dad‘s Levitra. The normally punctual AD is running a little late and he’s a somewhat concerned about how his boss, the MAN in charge, Chancellor James “status qu-” Oblinger, will react to his tardiness.

    Fowler: Hello Mr Chancellor. Sir. Sorry I’m late Sir, but Bobby (Purcell) had some new recruits that he wanted to introduce me to on the way in.

    Oblinger: Is it chilly in here to you? It’s my toesies and feetsies, I’ve had a chill all day. Oh yeah, you’re late!!! How’d the meeting go?

    Fowler: Good, good, they were a pretty typical group, they all wanted to talk about improvement, winning and blah, blah, blah. You know, the usual. Except for this ONE, she, she, she was around 45 to fifty, and man, she had on this red Wolfpack sweater and a skirt cut to here. Well Sir, she was a very handsome woman for her age, and I’m telling you, YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN HER…

    Oblinger: Yeah, yeah, Lee, I got ya. I’m well aware, as is the rest of the population in the triangle, of your affinity/obsession for women in that particular age group.

    Fowler: Sorry Sir, but she, she, SHE…WAS HOT!!! Ol’ Bobby is sure bringing them in, and lately some of the women have been, well they‘ve been…

    Oblinger: Alright already, settle down now and get a grip man, enough with the physical descriptions too there Coach. What I want to know is… DO THEY HAVE THE CASH, THE GREEN BACKS, THE MOOLA MOOLA???!!! You know, are they OUR type of people…or not?

    Fowler: I’m sure they do, I mean, I’m sure they ARE, Sir. You know our ol’ buddy Bobby P, he wouldn’t give them the time of day if they weren‘t loaded, Sir.

    Hey Chancellor, almost forgot to ask, what’s the score?

    Oblinger: Right now I have it at somewhere around 9500 to 10,000, but it’s still too early to tell.

    Fowler: Huh? I mean uh, pardon me, Sir.

    Oblinger: Yeah, that’s right. Let’s say we round it off and give it a ultra conservative estimate of $45 per fan, and that’s,…uh, well let’s see now, …that’s around 450,000 biggens. Not great, but not too shabby either, especially considering we’re playing NC School of the Arts for the third weekend in a row.

    HIGH FIVE MY MAN!!!

    Fowler: Uh yeah, I see what you’re sayin’there Sir, but I was actually talking about the score of the ballgame.

    Oblinger: Oh yeah, right, THAT score. Well that score is, uh, well, I believe the team in red is behind, but I don’t really know. How long to do these barbaric contests usually last anyway? The wife and I had plans to go to the big chamber music festival this evening and I don’t want to miss a single piano note.

    Lee: Um James, you don’t mind if I call you James do you Mr Chancellor, Sir? But look, let’s be honest, I know and you know that you’re not the least interested in this in these silly old athletic events anyway, so why don’t you just slip on out of here nice and quiet like, and you just head on down to the chamber music palooza with Mrs Chancellor Oblinger. I‘ll stay just here for a while and cover for you, then I’m going to see if I can find Bobby P, and see where he sat that red sweater, I mean that hottie, those uh…ahem…, sorry Sir, what I meant to say was that I was wondering where Mr Purcell seated those potential new Wolfpack club members.

    Oblinger: OK then, thanks Lee, you are a gentleman and a scholar. Well, a scholar anyway. You just be sure let me know the final score when it’s over.

    Fowler: Well Sir, I wouldn’t worry too much about this one, they just got lucky the first game, and we beat them pretty soundly last weekend, so I wouldn’t…

    Oblinger: NOT THAT SCORE, YOU MORON!!! I’m talking about THE ATTENDANCE, THE CONSESSIONS, THE TAKE, all of the IMPORTANT totals. You have a complete report of all of it on my desk first thing Monday morning. AND DON’T BE LATE,…AGAIN!!! I’m going to try to slip away now without anyone noticing, see you Monday. Remember, report, with a report, 8:00 am sharp!

    Fowler: Yes Sir Mr Chancellor, Sir. Hold on a minute Sir, I’ll provide you some cover while you duck out of here. HEY!!! ANYBODY BEEN TO THE PISSER LATELY???!!! THERE WAS A LINE BACKED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BARBEQUE STAND EARLIER, AND THE CHANCELLOR HERE IS ABOUT TO BUST A KIDNEY!!!

    Alright Sir, skedaddle on out of here, I’ll keep ‘em occupied for ya.

    Oblinger: Lee, um, well uh, nothing. Thanks for your help, I think, but I‘ll handle it from here on out .

    And so, our story ends. One man quietly sneaking out of the fabled Wolves Den, to a secret door at a far corner of the Regions Bank Center, to fulfill his pursuit of his one true love, chamber music. That, fine wine, and of course conversation with like thinking professionals of similar social status, only involving the things that are REALLY important, to the REALLY important people. The other man, well, he’s off in a pursuit of a different kind. First, he’s going to check that long line for himself, in hopes of relieving a little pressure of his own. Everything was fine until he mentioned it himself, in the Chancellor‘s box, now he’s about bust himself. Then he’s off in an attempt to start a wrestling match, with a cougar, in a red sweater.

    The moral is: You can’t teach old dogs new priorities.

  23. blpack 07/09/2008 at 11:18 PM #

    Interesting article. You never know what may happen in Raleigh next year.

  24. highstick 07/11/2008 at 9:54 AM #

    Just wait until the art that Mrs. Easley bought in Europe shows up on the walls of the RBC or Obie’s office!

  25. OldSchool66 07/12/2008 at 11:06 PM #

    I am noticing that more and more, effective ADs came through graduate programs like Ohio’s sports management program (impressive alumni list, btw). Charlie Cobb is a grad of that program, and I believe the likely successor at State when the time comes (I hope sooner rather than later). One of his classmates at Ohio, Bernard Muir is the AD at Georgetown and was recently under serious consideration for the Duke AD job. I guess my point is that youth (if you call 40 youth) can serve well, especially as that peer group continues to earn high profile roles in the AD community, where a great network is as important as effective management skills.

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