Mid June Football Check

After yesterday’s entry on Markus Kuhn and last week’s little entry about the best players in the ACC we are starting to grind some attention towards football season.

Can you believe that football practice starts in just a month and a half?

To get yourself off on the right foot you can click here to see all of the pre-season entries for the 2008 season that we have logged thus far.

====> Phil Steele likes Heels, Deacs, Tigers
As we have said multiple times before – when Phil Steele speaks, we listen. And, we suggest that you listen, too. The N&O’s ACCNow Blog spoke with Steele last week and had a nice piece on their blog that can be read by clicking here.

Steele was high on the Wolfpack last year but isn’t as high on the Pack’s chances this year. His rationale last season was consistent with one of the metrics that he uses in his analysis – turnover margin (and even some penalties) generally even out over the long term. So, if a team (NC State) has a horrible turnover margin and loses a lot of close games (2006) then they have a higher likelihood of turning that around the next season (2007). Unfortunately for Steele and the Wolfpack, State’s turnover margin in 2007 ranked at the bottom of NCAA teams just as it did in 2006.

It is hard to complain with Steele this pre-season as well. He echoes the position that SFN has taken that – NC State could be a much better team on the field in 2007 but not see a corresponding improvement in our record due to the difficulty of our schedule.

ACC Now: You were higher on N.C. State last year. What do you think of the Wolfpack in Tom O’Brien’s second season?

Steele: “With a new head coach, you usually see their best team in the third year because they’re playing their own recruits and all the players are familiar with systems.

N.C. State had some growing pains last year. The negatives this year are the amount of people that they lose. They only have 10 starters back and just 25 lettermen.

Plus, they (NC State) play what I rank as the 10th-toughest schedule in the country. South Carolina, East Carolina and South Florida are all tough games. It will be difficult for them to improve last season’s record against that schedule.”

====> Outsider’s Look at Football Schedules
SFN and Steele’s point about the schedules is further emphasized in this blog entry that highlight’s Matt Hayes’ rankings of OOC Football schedules.

1. Miami: Charleston Southern, at Florida, at Texas A&M, UCF
2. Virginia: USC, Richmond, at Connecticut, East Carolina
3. North Carolina: McNeese State, at Rutgers, Connecticut, Notre Dame
4. North Carolina State: at South Carolina, William & Mary, East Carolina, South Florida
5. Boston College: at Kent State, UCF, Rhode Island, Notre Dame
6. Wake Forest: at Baylor, Mississippi, Navy, Vanderbilt
7. Virginia Tech: at East Carolina, Furman, at Nebraska, Western Kentucky
8. Duke: James Madison, Northwestern, Navy, at Vanderbilt
9. Maryland: Delaware, at Middle Tennessee, California, Eastern Michigan
10. Clemson: Alabama, Citadel, South Carolina State, South Carolina
11. Georgia Tech: Jacksonville State, Mississippi State, Gardner-Webb, at Georgia
12. Florida State: Western Carolina, Tennessee-Chattanooga, Colorado, Florida

Let’s take a quick look at the head to head comparison from easiest to toughest.

Home cupcake – McNeese State vs William and Mary – Edge: Push. Who cares?

Road challenge – at Rutgers vs at South Carolina – I know Rutgers has been good recently, but they’ve lost Ray Rice and they are still…Rutgers. Playing on the road in the SEC at a school coached by Steve Spurrier who has now been around long enough to cobble together multiple Top 25 recruiting classes. – Edge: NC State.

Home: regional game of interest – UConn vs USF – two good Big East teams. I have a lot of respect for Coach Edsall and UConn, so I will not therefore automatically choose USF based on their ability to earn a #2 national ranking and play in a better bowl game last year than UConn. – Edge: I’ll call it a push for fairness.

Home: emotional ‘Big Game’ – Notre Dame vs ECU. At first glance this is an easy answer. That is the problem. Hayes went with it at first glance. Notre Dame was one of the worst team’s in the country last year. East Carolina was in contention for a conference championship and played in their second consecutive bowl game. ECU finished ahead of the Irish in every conceivable ranking system in the country. We’re talking about ‘difficulty’ here. ECU cares about beating NC State a helluva lot more than Notre Dame cares about beating UNC-CH. Edge: If you don’t call it a push, then you have to give the edge for difficulty to ECU until Notre Dame becomes relevant again.

====> Rivals Ranks Pack #68
Rivals.com is counting down every Football Bowl Subdivision team in the country. NC State ended last season ranked 76th and starts this season 68th. The don’t have anything earth shattering in their commentary but they lay out reasonable expectations for us this season.

THE BUZZ: O’Brien already proved he could win in the ACC during his Boston College tenure. By winning five of their final six games last season, the Wolfpack showed that O’Brien already had corrected the discipline problems that had developed during predecessor Chuck Amato’s ill-fated final season. That season-ending 37-0 humiliation against Maryland that cost NCSU a bowl bid also should give the Wolfpack plenty of motivation as they head into 2008. North Carolina State won’t contend for a division title until it gets improved play at quarterback, but a bowl is a legit goal.

====>NYT Blog Ranks Pack #80
We always like to tip our hat to our NC State blogging bretheren, so this link will take you to RAWFS’ entry on the NYT’s less optimistic view of NC State’s 2008 football season.

====>BJD’s Early Look at the Schedule
Since this entry has taken a turn towards pre-season commentary on the Wolfpack’s season, it is only natural to link our own BJD’s quick comments about each game on the 2008 schedule.

====>Philip Rivers
We love our Philip Rivers, so we why not include this piece from NFL.com

The only evidence Tuesday that Rivers is recovering from an injury is the brace he was sporting on his right knee at the Chargers training facility. Rivers wore a brace on both knees in college, but got away from it in the NFL. He’ll continue to wear a brace this season.

Rivers said that he has passed the “danger zone,” of his rehabilitation. The knee is strong and outside of a fluke incident, he only needs to strengthen the muscles around it.

Rivers admitted that he did get a little impatient with the injury at first. Antsy is a more accurate description. And who can blame him? The four-year starter at North Carolina State waited behind incumbent Drew Brees for two seasons before getting his chance to start for the Chargers in 2006. All he’s done since then is pass for 6,540 yards and 43 TDs in the last two seasons.

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24 Responses to Mid June Football Check

  1. choppack1 06/16/2008 at 9:21 AM #

    Thanks – I would have to agree that we could be a better team w/ a worse record. The good news is that if we can make some headway on that TO ratio – we’ll be in good shape.

    Here are my thoughts on TO ratio:
    *I think we’ll cause more TO’s on D. This is our second year in these schemes – and I think you’ll see more INTs from out DBs.
    *With Evans or Beck – I am not too hopeful that our TO margin will improve. In spite of his spring performance, I still think our best hope for improved TO margin is Wilson at QB and of course, an improved running game.
    *The Pack showed last year that if it can get the lead – or even stay close until the 4th quarter – it will be a tough out. In our 4 game winning streak, we started well (w/ the exception of the Miami game).
    *While it was a fun win, I think the team, Evans and possibly the staff lost confidence in Evans again after his performance against UNC. His INTs vs. Wake and UMd helped turn the tide of those games – and we weren’t winning in those games, so they really hurt.
    *If Evans does start, his performance will determine whether or not we win. When he was on, we were a solid team – a team that I dare say was a “bowl” team – when he wasn’t “on” – we were one of the worst teams in the BCS.

  2. Noah 06/16/2008 at 9:21 AM #

    I’m hopeful that 6-6 is a very attainable goal. I’d like to go into the last part of the season with that still being something to shoot for.

  3. choppack1 06/16/2008 at 9:50 AM #

    Noah – the amazing thing is that after our horrendous start last year, we had a shot of going 6-6 or 7-5 and 4-4 or 5-3 at the end of the year.

    Unfortunately, we relapsed those last 2 games. I’ll also say this in things to watch for – you can alot of things about Amato led teams, but in his 7 years, there were only a few games where I saw us lay down and die. I actually saw as much of that last year as I did the last 7. I attribute much of this to a change in leadership and a depletion in talent and depth.

    I’ll be watching w/ a lot of interest how much heart we display on gameday this year and next year. If we can step it up it TO margin and this other area, I think we’ll be fine.

  4. thebigwood 06/16/2008 at 10:15 AM #

    I know a lot of people are predicting a loss to USC…but I live down here and I follow the Gamecocks, and I think we have a pretty good chance. Their offense had a horrendous spring game and there are some internal problems (i.e. Garcia’s trouble with the law). I think if our defense plays great and we can just control the ball on offense, we can pull it out.

  5. SuperStuff 06/16/2008 at 10:33 AM #

    I think an early season game against USC is a good test. You can sneak out a victory from unfamiliarity on the part of USC and if we lose it early so no damage.

  6. BJD95 06/16/2008 at 10:39 AM #

    My $.02 on the QB situation – it all depends on the OL. If it looks really strong in practice, then I think Glennon is the starter. If it looks iffy, and thus the ability to run for one’s life (and not have your franchise QB get pounded) is at a premium, then it will be Wilson. If Wilson starts, Beck will be the backup. If Glennon starts, Wilson will back him up.

    I could also see a few packages designed specifically for Wilson, including perhaps for 2-point conversions.

  7. choppack1 06/16/2008 at 10:40 AM #

    thebigwood – I agree. We’ve done very well against big time non-conference opponents – who are solid, but not spectacular. If USC underestimates we’ll be in good shape.

    Of course, this will likely be a contest of which D is better – and I worry about us in that case. Broken record time – stop the run, win kicking game and TO battle – win this game.

  8. BoKnowsNCS71 06/16/2008 at 11:13 AM #

    An SEC win would be nice. Especially since USC will get better as their year progresses. But if we come out like we did for UCF — it’s going to be a long night.

  9. Pack92 06/16/2008 at 11:46 AM #

    It’s all OL,OL,OL. If they come through this year the QB position is ALOT easier to play and a running game keeps the defense off the field. I think our defense may surprise some people this year, especially the D-line.

  10. graywolf 06/16/2008 at 12:06 PM #

    Pack92 is dead on! The past few years we have heard so much negative reaction to our QB play and not much from our OL. When the OL improves then QB and tailback play improves which gives us a greater chance of winning close games.

    I think we see improvement in the OL and then some improvement in both the QB and tailback positions.

    Go Pack!

  11. Noah 06/16/2008 at 12:16 PM #

    The coaches were not pleased with what they saw from the OL in practice. They were yanking everything apart and starting all over at times. That’s, obviously, not a good sign.

    They’re worried about the center position. A couple of hopes didn’t come through.

    The QB position is set. It’s going to be Wilson. We’re good at WR and RB. The linebackers ought to worry people.

  12. choppack1 06/16/2008 at 12:27 PM #

    I agree that OL improvement is critical. However, I think that the decision making by the QB is just as critical. Our OLs best game overall was UNC. In that game, our Eugene had nice holes to run through. Still, 2 INTs for TDs almost gave us a loss in what should have been a dominating win. The OL also played OK for the FSU game -but once again INT returns for TDs hurt us.

    We were moving the ball against Wake early when the INT bug bit us.

    I do think most of these INTs were definitely related to QB pressure. However, the QB can’t make those mistakes. See the Miami win last season for an example of how to manage a game when the QB was under constant pressure.

  13. StateFans 06/16/2008 at 12:45 PM #

    Noah,

    Can the OLine be worse than it was last year?

    I have to hope with HEALTHY players and general improvement at every position on offense that even if the OL was simply as bad as last year then Russell Wilson’s athleticism and potential to not trhow as many ints would at least work to our benefit.

  14. choppack1 06/16/2008 at 1:35 PM #

    Just looking at starts from last year, it looks like out of a possible 60 starts, we have 31 starts returning…in the form of Meares Green, Julian Williams, Curtis Crouch, Jarvis McCuller, and Vermiglio. Gone are 2 workhouses from last year in Lathan and Heppe. I think they were doing to try out Green at Center.

  15. RAWFS 06/16/2008 at 1:50 PM #

    I’ve been on the OL-needs-improvement soapbox for four years, something that the archives at RAWFS will quickly confirm. This season, I have reserved optimism, in that we’ll still be thin at the position, but should have adequate play if we stay healthy.

    Don Horton, our OL position coach, has a stellar record of finding and developing good offensive linemen. Dana Bible’s schemes work well when he does have a decent OL and backs, and add in a competent QB and we should all be happier on gamedays.

    That said, if our OL play should improve and it will be like the rising lake level lifting all boats: give the RB a hole and you will get positive yardage and probably stay “on schedule.” Give the QB enough protection and the receivers will have time to shake their defenders and the QB will be in a good position to set his feet and make a good throw. Keep the offense on the field longer and the defense will be better rested and more capable of playing tough especially down the stretch.

    In other words, success in football often begins with the hogs on the OL. You need good play everywhere else, obviously, but I really believe that a good OL is the motor that makes the truck run smoothly.

  16. Noah 06/16/2008 at 1:51 PM #

    Can the OLine be worse than it was last year?

    Things can always be worse. Don’t ever assume you’ve hit the bottom of the barrel…because you can always lift UP the barrel.

  17. RAWFS 06/16/2008 at 2:33 PM #

    Thought about Phil Steele and UNC — let’s hope he is as right about UNC as he was about us last year.

  18. BJD95 06/16/2008 at 3:01 PM #

    So…Russell Wilson running for his life it is!

  19. thebigwood 06/16/2008 at 5:22 PM #

    Noah, just out of curiosity, why do you sound so confident about Wilson?

  20. packpigskinfan23 06/16/2008 at 9:37 PM #

    ^because he is not Evans or Beck.

  21. Noah 06/16/2008 at 10:25 PM #

    Because everyone that I’ve talked to who has access inside the program has said exactly the same thing. Not one person has been anything other than 100 percent resolute that our starter will be Wilson. The coaching staff apparently hasn’t wavered one bit on that…they just don’t want to announce it to the world until they have to.

    You talk to folks and you can tell when they’re speculating and when they aren’t. Ask about who will start on the OL and you’ll get lots of different answers.

    Ask who will start at QB and you’ll get a very quick, “Russell Wilson.”

    SFN: We support Noah’s comments as very consistent with our own experiences. This is why our play calling and Wilson’s performance in the spring game was so limited…no reason to show the new offense to anyone prior to USC.

  22. BoKnowsNCS71 06/17/2008 at 7:04 AM #

    I go into this season with mixed feelings. Sort of like seeing your mother in law drive off a cliff in your new car.

    My expectations are low and as such every win will be a gift. Anything above 5 wins will be a success. Every win after that will be great. A 6-6 or 7-5 season will indicate continuous improvement and I’m looking more at a year or so out when we should have those break out seasons.

    To me it’s sort of like watching investment in the stock market. It’s not so exciting the first year or two but over the long run you expect a good rate of return and benefits at the end. But every now and then there are those banner years — if you are lucky.

    The Pack will have to win the old fashion way — earning them.

  23. pakfanistan 06/17/2008 at 11:29 AM #

    I knew we were screwed at center last year when we couldn’t find a replacement for our starter who consistently snapped shoelace high.

  24. redfred2 06/23/2008 at 11:21 PM #

    But wait, Wilson plays baseball too, shouldn’t he just stick with that? Why would he risk playing football? What if somebody thinks he might get hurt, playing, uh, sports. What if an agent tells him he’s good enough? He’d be a fool, wouldn’t he?

    But wait, Wilson plays football too, shouldn’t he just stick with that? Why would he risk playing baseball? What if somebody thinks he might get hurt, playing, uh, sports. What if an agent tells him he’s good enough? He’d be foolish, wouldn’t he?

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