Another chance for baseball to deliver

Last week we ran a great entry highlighting the NC State Baseball program’s opportunity to deliver a much needed ACC Championship in a major sport. (If you missed the entry then you are not allowed to read further until you go read it).

Coach Avent failed to win his first ACC Championship in twelve years over the weekend, but the Wolfpack’s hosting of the “Raleigh Regional” provides an opportunity for the Wolfpack baseball program to at least make some kind of tangible progress towards something worth celebrating – the school’s first College World Series appearance in forty years.

“The winner of the Raleigh Regional will advance to face the winner of the NCAA Athens (Ga.) Regional, which includes host Georgia (35-21-1), second-seeded Georgia Tech (39-19), third-seeded Louisville (41-19) and fourth-seeded Lipscomb (32-28).”

State’s CWS drought has been comparatively painful in to our far-reaching failures throughout our Atheltics Department. For example, in 2006, a third of the Atlantic Coast Conference participated in a single CWS when UNC-CH, Miami, Georgia Tech, and Clemson all advanced to Omaha. In 2007, UNC-CH – who is yet to spend a bunch of money to upgrade their baseball stadium – advanced to their second consecutive CWS.

The big news in Raleigh is the presence of one of the most popular Wolfpackers of all-time – Ray Tanner. This article focuses on Tanner’s return to Raleigh and is a fantastic read. Of course, anytime Ray Tanner’s name is mentioned it is a requirement to mention Todd Turner. (Click here for our most recent Todd Turner entry.)

While discussing playing his alma mater at today’s press conference, he said that he is not a touchy feely kind of guy, but it was as clear in his voice today as it was when the two of us talked a year ago that he still cared about NC State. I asked him why he left Raleigh, with all the obvious ties there. He said it came down to one thing – NCSU at that time was not willing to host an NCAA Regional. They wouldn’t even submit a bid.

And that is how a coach who twelve years later is acknowledged as one of the greatest coaches at South Carolina, regardless of the sport, became a Gamecock.

So for the first time in its 42-year history, Doak Field, the home of the Wolfpack, will host an NCAA Baseball Regional and Tanner couldn’t be happier for them. It is, however, with some irony that the first time he ever gets to play an NCAA torunament game there will also the Pack’s first time as well.

As SMD shared in our comments section, “Tanner should be example number one of how our athletic leadership has not exactly reached for the brass ring for nearly 20 years now. Here’s a guy who is a GREAT coach, is one of our own, and somehow we don’t show the commitment to his sport so he rightfully bolts.

As much as the current problem is related to Fowler, losing Tanner shows that the problem has existed for awhile. Our rivals are literally passing us by. UNC-CH had not exactly burned up the baseball world pre-Mike Fox. And though Hatchell has been their women’s b-ball coach for some time, neither the Tarholes nor Duke had been to a women’s Final Four until the early 90’s – while our very own version of Joe Paterno can’t keep up.

Across the board, our university’s leadership has not demanded excellence for sometime. I don’t expect us to start now.”

It’s ironic that Tanner’s departure from the school that he loves is so strongly tied to the behaviors of a single Athletics Director and University Administration because many people in StateFansNation freely submit Tanner’s name as a potential candidate to replace Lee Fowler as a Athletics Director at NC State. If you people absolutely MUST have someone that you know as opposed to searching the country for fresh-blood, I suppose Tanner would be at or near the top of my list.

Historical CWS Appearances
* Miami – 22 appearances
* Florida State – 18 appearances
* Clemson – 11 appearances
* South Carolina – 8 appearances
* UNC – 6 appearances
* Georgia Tech – 3 appearances
* Duke – 3 appearances
* Wake Forest – 2 appearances
* NC State – 1 appearance

Since 1996:
* Miami has attended 8 CWS
* Clemson has attended 4 CWS
* Georgia Tech has attended 2 CWS
* UNC-CH has attended 2 CWS
* Florida State has attended 4 CWS
* Ray Tanner’s South Carolina has attended 3 CWS
* NC State has attended no CWS

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24 Responses to Another chance for baseball to deliver

  1. SMD 05/27/2008 at 9:26 AM #

    Tanner should be example number one of how our athletic leadership has not exactly reached for the brass ring for nearly 20 years now. Here’s a guy who is a GREAT coach, is one of our own, and somehow we don’t show the commitment to his sport so he rightfully bolts.

    As much as the current problem is related to Fowler, losing Tanner shows that the problem has existed for awhile. Our rivals are literally passing us by. UNC-CH had not exactly burned up the baseball world pre-Mike Fox. And though Hatchell has been their women’s b-ball coach for some time, neither the Tarholes nor Duke had been to a women’s Final Four until the early 90’s – while our very own version of Joe Paterno can’t keep up.

    Across the board, our university’s leadership has not demanded excellence for sometime. I don’t expect us to start now.

    SFN: This is an excellent post. I am elevating it into the body of the entry as it fits perfectly. Thanks so much!

  2. old13 05/27/2008 at 9:36 AM #

    Just another example of why my interest in my alma matre continues to wane.

  3. choppack1 05/27/2008 at 9:56 AM #

    What were Tanner’s results at NC State? I remember us being good in baseball – how many CWS’ did we go to in his tenure? I know we won an ACC Championship w/ him at the helm.

  4. StateFans 05/27/2008 at 10:29 AM #

    No CWS with Tanner in his nine years (from age 28-37). “just” an ACC Title. That was also before he became a coach of USA Baseball and before we started working on the all-important facility upgrades.

    Since he left, the following are just a few of his accomplishments.

    Career Record of 895-393-3
    8th among active coaches by winning percentage
    4th fastest active coach to reach 800 wins
    Top 40 among active coaches by victories
    25th all-time by winning percentage
    Coach of the year in 2000
    16 NCAA Tournament Appearances
    7 Super Regional appearances, including 5 consecutive appearances starting in 2000
    3 consecutive College World Series appearances starting in 2002
    2000 & 2002 SEC Championships
    1999, 2000, 2002, and 2003 SEC East Championships
    2004 SEC Tournament Title
    Three 50-win seasons
    Winningest college baseball coach from 2000-2004 by victories
    Winningest college baseball coach in the SEC from 2000-2008 by victories (147-92)
    Second winningest college baseball coach in SEC history by winning percentage, trailing only Skip Bertman of LSU
    8 consecutive 40 win seasons

  5. choppack1 05/27/2008 at 10:47 AM #

    Good info. I didn’t realize he was so young when he was at NC State. I also think that this is an excellent example that you don’t need facilities to win – because he was doing it at NC State before we had any.

    Also, given his age, he’s probably another excellent example of making a low risk financial decision (read – being cheap)w/ a higher risk hire. Would V have hired this coach?

  6. Dr. BadgerPack 05/27/2008 at 10:58 AM #

    ^Tanner was hired in what, 87 or 88? Wouldn’t that have been V? Tanner also was an assistant with Esposito after he finished playing for us.

  7. StateFans 05/27/2008 at 11:02 AM #

    ^Correct

  8. choppack1 05/27/2008 at 11:05 AM #

    Did V hire Sheridan and Tanner?

  9. RickJ 05/27/2008 at 11:43 AM #

    ^Willis Casey hired Sheridan. V hired Tanner.

  10. SMD 05/27/2008 at 11:43 AM #

    ^My memory gets fuzzy as the years run together. I don’t think V was AD when Sheridan was hired, in the winter of 86. BUT – he took over the AD slot that summer and was instrumental in keeping Sheridan when Georgia took a serious run at hiring Sheridan right before the Peach Bowl.

    That’s how I remember it, but I could be wrong.

  11. choppack1 05/27/2008 at 12:09 PM #

    SMD – I know you are right about keeping Sheridan here. My impression was that Sheridan and V got along well.

  12. ruffles31 05/27/2008 at 1:37 PM #

    As much as I would love to get to the CWS, and that would be fantastic, I am more concerned with getting to the Super Regional first. Both South Carolina and Charlotte are quality teams, but not without flaws. The Gamecocks don’t have a lot of pitching, but they can sure mash the ball. The 49ers can also hit the ball very well. And JMU is not a pushover.

    With only one Super Regional appearance ever, I just want us to get in that position first to have a chance to get to Omaha.

    I do feel really good about the fact that if we do win the regional this weekend, we would face the winner of the Athens regional and the #8 national seed Georgia. That is about as good as the Pack can hope for.

    I definitely would not want to face any of the other national seeds before Omaha (as I figured they would not have us possibly face Miami, UNC, or FSU with them being conference members). LSU is on a 20 game winning streak, Arizona State is real good, etc.

    This is without a doubt our best chance to get to Omaha since we Avent became head coach.

    I do remember Tanner as coach as he was coaching when I was in school. Our suite would finish class around 2:30 and then go to most every game as all games started no later than 3, since no lights were there. I saw us beat #1 Georgia Tech 6-5 one time when the Jackets had Nomar, Jason Varitek, and Jay Payton. What a team.

  13. Dr. BadgerPack 05/27/2008 at 1:48 PM #

    Hmm… I lost part of my comment. Anyway, Tanner was an assistant under Esposito and I thought he had basically been named successor. I don’t know if there was an actual hiring process (find the right guy, who needs a process anyway, right?).

  14. Dr. BadgerPack 05/27/2008 at 1:52 PM #

    ruffles- Well, the ‘Pack could HOPE Georgia lost and they got to host a super regional. 🙂

  15. packfan4ever 05/27/2008 at 3:15 PM #

    Is Doak big enough to host a super regional?

  16. ruffles31 05/27/2008 at 3:15 PM #

    Of course. That would be AWESOME!!! I would be there for those games. Unfortunately, I have a conflict and can’t make them this weekend.

    For playing Georgia, I am just trying to be a realist. Hope and optimism is something that I have in little quantities with Fowler as my AD.

  17. statemech 05/27/2008 at 6:16 PM #

    Out of curiosity I went to gopack.com to see if tickets were still available. I tried requesting 3 tournament books and it said there weren’t any available in that price range. Then I tried 2 and then 1 and got the same results. Does this mean we’ve sold out already? If this is the case I’m glad I got my tickets this morning…

  18. highstick 05/27/2008 at 6:44 PM #

    Badger, I think your story is what I recollect also about the hiring of Tanner. He’s done an absolute fantastic job at South Carolina with absolutely no facilities. His office is basically a dump, but all of that is changing there finally. How he’s recruited anyone who saw his offices is “mind blowing”. I think he’s even got a higher priority to get the baseball offices renovated than even the planned upgrades to the football stadium.

  19. Primewolf 05/27/2008 at 6:57 PM #

    SFN, if you have the time, please do a plot of, say NCSU rank as an engineering school and a ranking measure of our all sports athletics from about 1965 to now.

    I think you will see a trend in that the school has declined in both academic rank and athletic rank.

    So, I agree with the comments that we haven’t demanded excellence in athletics and I think that also applies to academics.

    In summary, weak Chancellor and BOT leadership has plagued NC State for many years. The decline after Valvano has got to approach cliff proportion.

  20. redfred2 05/27/2008 at 7:55 PM #

    Dr B, Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy that the NC State baseball COACHES and PLAYERS have the ability to EARN their way into the post season, but don’t confuse that with the topic NC State being selected as a host site. Hopefully home field will turn out to be an advantage, but other than that, nothing else about it is crucial to their post season success. It’s good for the fans and possibly the players also, but The Pack could have just as well gone elsewhere, played good baseball, and come out of the regionals anyway.

    The selection was facilitated by facilities, and it creates an false illusion about the facilitator.

  21. redfred2 05/27/2008 at 7:58 PM #

    ^

    WHOOPS!

    wrong thread

  22. turfpack 05/27/2008 at 8:39 PM #

    Baseball?
    Host?
    Lee want’s credit?
    He knows basketball?
    Always right tread.

  23. waxhaw 05/29/2008 at 5:25 AM #

    PRIME– I don’t know about Engineering but the school definitely hasn’t declined in textiles or the vet school. Also the new college of management is making huge strides and is regarded as an upper tier public college after only 10-15? years.

    I would be shocked if Engineering had experienced a huge drop but I don’t know about that one.

  24. kyjelly 05/29/2008 at 12:00 PM #

    Dominos delivers our programs no longer deliver I am afraid .

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