NCAA & ACC Championships since 2000

The table below that can be seen in larger a format by clicking here ranks Atlantic Coast Conference institutions by the number of ACC Championships claimed since 2000 (the year that Lee Fowler came to NC State). Additionally, the italicized numbers in parantheses is the rank for each school in the designated column. For example, NC State ranks 12th (last) in number of National Championships and 9th (last of pre-expansion ACC schools) in number of different sports in which we have won an ACC Championship.

ACC & NCAA Titles

Some following notes &; bytes:

* The table ranks Atlantic Coast Conference institutions on the number of ACC Championships claimed by the institution since 2000 (the year that Lee Fowler came to NC State). The italicized numbers in parantheses is the rank for each school in the designated column.

* NC State is the only pre-expansion Atlantic Coast Conference school who has not won a National Championship in any sport. Virginia Tech, who joined the ACC with expansion in 2004/2005 is the only other ACC school to fail to win a National Championsip.

* NC State ranks 6th in total number of ACC Championships (edging Georgia Tech who recently hired a new Athletics Director) by one title.

* The depth and breadth of NC State’s ACC Championships are the most shallow in the conference as State and Wake Forest have each won Championships in only four sports. Wake Forest’s student enrollment is approximately 10% the size of NC State’s and represents the smallest student enrollment of any BCS football program in America.

* In just four years, Virginia Tech has already won Championships in five unique sports. The only schools that are tied or rank below NC State in number of different sports with a conference title are the former Big East programs who joined the ACC with expansion in 2004/2005 and private institutions with significantly smaller resource and alumni bases.

* The breakdown of NC State’s 14 ACC Championships are as follows:
– 5 in Men’s Cross Country
– 4 in Women’s Cross Country
– 1 in Softball
– 4 in Wrestling

* Prior to Fowler’s arrival in Raleigh, NC State had historically strong programs in three of those four sports under long time coaches Rollie Gieger and Bob Guzzo. Men’s Cross Country had won 9 ACC titles before Fowler arrived in Raleigh; Women’s Cross Country had won 17 ACC Titles pre-Fowler; and Wrestling had won 10 ACC titles.

* Despite years of focus and promotion for new facilities by Lee Fowler and NC State’s leadership, the only programs at NC State to win ACC Championships don’t/didn’t have facilties (running in the woods for cross-country and no field for softball) or share 60 year old Reynolds Coliseum with various other sports (wrestling).

* Since the beginning of the 2004 fall semester, both North Carolina and Duke have won more ACC Championships than NC State has won since 2000. Therefore, our biggest and closest rivals have added more ACC titles to their trophy cases in 4 years as NC State has in 8 years, twice that time.

* If you were to average the ranking of each school in all four categories, NC State would rank LAST amongst pre-expansion ACC programs with a ranking #9.75. Virginia Tech, who has competed in the ACC for half the time as NC State, is only a half of ranking behind with an average of #10.25. Amongst pre-expansion institutions, Clemson and Georgia Tech rank closest to NC State at #7.5, a whopping 30% ahead of the Wolfpack.

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69 Responses to NCAA & ACC Championships since 2000

  1. Noah 04/29/2008 at 1:14 PM #

    Was Ray Tanner still coaching here in 1992?

    Anyone remember who was on that team? Corey Lee? Brian Bark?

  2. BoKnowsNCS71 04/29/2008 at 1:19 PM #

    I saw something odd today. There was a half page ad in the N&O reminding NCSU LTRs of the final date (MAy 15) to buy season tickets. I don’t recall seeing this in the past — just ads for Carlina and Duke trying to sell out their tickets.

    I was wondering if a lot of season holders are balking at buying tickets to go with their LTR seats this year?

  3. Dr. BadgerPack 04/29/2008 at 1:19 PM #

    It’s possible Andy Barkett was on the baseball team around that time– had a cup of coffee in the majors and played a long time in the minors.

  4. Daily Update 04/29/2008 at 1:27 PM #

    Other measures of NC State fans:

    1. top 20 in basketball attendence
    2. sold out CF for 7 consecutive years
    3. virtually 100% capacity in football attendence

    NC State fans have really come through for this administration.

  5. JeremyH 04/29/2008 at 1:45 PM #

    in basketball the last maybe decade, it seems that Wake Forest and Maryland have been a tier above us, relatively consistently. Well, if we’ve conceded that we will never be able to compete with the absolute powers of UNC and Duke in basketball, can we at least pull ourselves up, and measurability improve the program to compete at the same level as these two? I don’t think it’s too much to ask. Before we were the red-headed step child of NC basketball recruiting battles, unfortunately now we are the same for our conference.

  6. StateFans 04/29/2008 at 2:01 PM #

    ^ A point that I have tried to make for years.

    No doubt that Maryland and Wake have clearly been ahead of us the last FIFTEEN years. And, in that time Maryland has been to two Final Fours and won a national championship while Wake has been ranked in the Top 5 in at least 4 DIFFERENT seasons.

    All of that without having to ‘compete with Duke and Carolina’.

    I’ll take it!

  7. WTNY 04/29/2008 at 2:15 PM #

    Regarding StateFans’ comment on LTR, I wonder how the revenue stream generated by LTR relates to winning. In other words, for some teams, have LTR actually retarded winning because the market incentive to win is reduced?

    Secondly, regarding Men’s Swimming. 24 titles in the first 40 years of the ACC — does swimming have one title per academic year or is there a diving title as well? — if one a year that was quite a pace: 3 titles every 5 years. Regardless, to have zippo since 1992 would really sting Casey.

  8. WV Wolf 04/29/2008 at 2:25 PM #

    WTY–Men’s Swimming did most of their damage when we won the ACC title 18 out of 20 years from 1966 to 1985 including a run of 12 in a row from 1971 to 1982. And the 2 we didn’t win we finished runner-up.

    Must have been nice to dominate in a sport like that.

  9. WTNY 04/29/2008 at 2:50 PM #

    WV — That was quite a run.

  10. vtpackfan 04/29/2008 at 3:21 PM #

    Swimming and Diving are one in the same in NCAA’s as far as Championships are tallied. Think of it like Track & Field.

    Our program was absolutely dominant once. Brooks Teal is dong good work there, but honestly, before anyone harps on me about saying the facilities suck just think a second. Your a recruit and on your trip you notice that the tile are falling out and the ventillation is horrendous.

    It is no coincidnece that the dominant programs now in the ACC are UVa (amazing coaching and facilites) and FSU (can practice outside more of the year).

    I spoke with Fowler about this issue once and he said the goal is to erect a new natatorium over on Centennial. That couldn’t come soon enough, IMO.

  11. Classof89 04/29/2008 at 4:16 PM #

    Yeah, swimming really is one sport where the facilities issue really caught up with us… Those teams really went in the crapper when the decision was made to build the “new” (now almost 20 years old) pool at Carmichael without the competition upgrades (I believe it had something to do with the ongoing bad blood between the PE department and athletics). Meanwhile, UNC built world-class Koury Natatorium, and, well, the rest is history.

  12. redfred2 04/29/2008 at 4:21 PM #

    “I think Oblinger and the BOT are perfectly aware of the state of NCSU athletics. I just don’t think they understand the VALUE of a strong athletics program.”

    Noah, I pretty much agree with what you’re saying, but that’s a hard thought to sum up properly. By that, I mean that if the academic numbers were on the rise, then maybe we wouldn’t have so much room to complain. But they aren’t. Athletics is just one part of an overall that is not at all what it used to be.

    Also, are there really any halfway intelligent adults who cannot see, or will not admit that athletics, at a state owned and public university, are of great benefit to EVERY aspect of what they should be TRYING to accomplish as an overall?

    Except for bringing in money and then spending it on new physical structures, the entire administration are failing miserably on every other phase of what their job titles entail.

    Sending more money only perpetuates the holier than thou attitudes that came about back when NC State University was smothered by it’s own kind over what really amounted to not much anything. Then they fell over their own feet, and eventually off of the planet, in their overzealous attempt to make it look like they were a bunch of innocent choir boys who had just been taken by one of their very own.

    I say it’s time to tell the big money to keep their cash, their money has done nothing to improve anything beyond the inanimate anyway. Just take a broom, some insecticide, or whatever it takes, and rid the place of those egg headed, nothings who have now infiltrated every office up there.

  13. Wulfpack 04/30/2008 at 6:20 AM #

    Lee Fowler quoted in expanded ACC men’s basketball regular season article:

    http://www.charlotte.com/sports_breaking/story/602774.html

  14. Noah 04/30/2008 at 8:07 AM #

    Noah, I pretty much agree with what you’re saying, but that’s a hard thought to sum up properly. By that, I mean that if the academic numbers were on the rise, then maybe we wouldn’t have so much room to complain. But they aren’t. Athletics is just one part of an overall that is not at all what it used to be.

    The value of athletics has more to do with general student body recruitment and alumni relations. It has, IMO, nothing to do with general academics at a school.

    There is a paper out that talks about the “doug flutie effect” of a big-time sporting event and how enrollment and applications usually skyrocket afterwards.

    Gonzaga and George Mason have seen huge increases in student applications recently. BC went through the same thing back in the 80s. That allows a school to be more selective in the students they take.

    A strong athletic club is also a great way to track and communicate with alumni. I would be willing to bet that a far greater number of NCSU alums are in the WPC than are in any basic alumni association.

    I’m looking here for the Sears Cup standings:
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/other/directorscup-standings.htm

    With the exception of Arizona, Arizona State, LSU, and Florida State, those are all schools that have strong to great academic records. I am reasonably certain that the rest of those schools can all be found either on the US News and World Report lists of great colleges or in the Princeton Review’s list.

    Can anyone really tell me how a strong athletics program is hurting Carolina, Stanford, Michigan, UVa, Cal, Texas, Dook or Wisconsin?

  15. choppack1 04/30/2008 at 8:53 AM #

    Noah – that’s an excellent point. I think most of us on this board realize that it only serves to benefit NC State if our athletic programs are great again. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that Oblinger and Fowler seem to think that the only way we can become great is if we cut corners. And that they would rather be on solid academic footing and shaky athletic footing than vice versa. Of course, silly me, I think that if you are going to have an athletic department, winning needs to be part of the equation.

  16. Noah 04/30/2008 at 9:30 AM #

    BTW, it’s worth pointing out that having a “strong athletics program” means more than having a top-20 football and basketball squad. Look at Michigan…those guys are in the top-25 in EVERYTHING, it seems (except basketball).

    They’ve got the longest bowl streak in the country. They were in the final four in hockey. They have a top-25 baseball team (I think). They have strong women’s programs and olympic sports. And they are supposed to be one of the top two or three public schools in the country. And Ann Arbor is supposed to be a great place to live (I’ve never been there). And they’ve got famous alums (Gerald Ford, Desmond Howard, the Google guys, the guy who started Borders, Lawrence Kasdan…).

    Their AD, James Martin, took a little heat when he didn’t land Les Miles, but he’s done a pretty fantastic job juggling a lot of issues and keeping Michigan in a fairly positive light. They have an ANCIENT stadium that needs a ton of work. They are trying to put in luxury boxes, but that ancient stadium isn’t ADA compliant…so if they do any upgrades, they have to retrofit the lower bowl too. There aren’t any lights at the Big House (something I didn’t know until fairly recently). Most of their big donors are senior citizens, so they have to deal with the old vs. not-old crowd at every football game (something UNC has to deal with too). If you want to stand up and yell at the Big House, apparently, the extras from the movie, “Cocoon” yell at you to sit down and shaddup, ya whipper-snapper.

    Then there’s the whole academics thing. When you’ve got a great school, the admissions department isn’t always happy when you bring them 12 kids from the public school system of a place like Flint or Saginaw.

    Lee Fowler nearly had a nervous breakdown when Herb Sendek quit. I mean…think about it…the guy ran away from home and hid in his lake house and didn’t call anyone for about a month. He was so worked up, he apparently forgot to eat for about three weeks. He went all “Cougar” after the MIGs buzzed him until Maverick and Goose could talk him back down (gratuitous?).

    Can you imagine Lee Fowler in Ann Arbor trying to deal with Les Miles and LSU’s national title appearance while Lloyd Carr is retiring? And he’s got the ghost of Fielding Yost and Bo Schembechler standing behind him the whole time? And then you couple that with the Feds saying, “Yeah, you’re not going to be able to sell tickets to the largest stadium in the country next year if you open those luxury boxes” and you’ve got about 50 major corporations and donors who have already deposited large checks FOR those boxes. And you’ve got to deal with John Beilein cleaning up Tommy Amaker’s mess. And you’ve got 30 other sports, all of which are ranked in the top-25 and need constant supervision.

    Can you imagine Lee Fowler doing ONE of those jobs?

    And that’s just Michigan. Go to Stanford or Cal or any other of those schools and you’ll find an equally long list of problems and at the helm, you’ve got an individual who is handling them with brains and grace….an individual who doesn’t whine about how hard it all is and how EVIL the fan base is.

  17. Noah 04/30/2008 at 9:31 AM #

    Actually, now that I think about it, it’s Bill Martin, not James Martin.

  18. gcpack 04/30/2008 at 10:21 AM #

    SFN got defensive regarding my remarks posted on 4/28.
    Technically you are correct with THIS article that you have laid out the facts with “NO editorial comments.” I thank you for your great efforts in providing that. I know that it took time to accumulate the information and it is valuable.

    As I mentioned at the start of my entry that I had posted(4/28) my general comments were in response to the blog regarding the track championship article & that I thought it was relevant to this article and the ongoing Lee Fowler debate.

    But let’s face it SFN is critical of Lee Fowler in general with numerous articles. Here are four occasions where more than just factual comments have been posted.

    Title: NCAA honors 172 teams: 4/25
    Don’t expect good news for NC State on May 6th. Unless you consider bad news for Lee Fowler as good news for NC State.

    Title: Fowler makes his performance a public issue : 4/25
    We would like to thank the world’s biggest public-relations nightmare for choosing to open the door to public scrutiny of his job performance.
    We don’t like helping “Coach Fowler” too much around here; but, now that he has let the cat out of the bag it is too late.

    Title: Acc track: Men meet Lee’s original benchmark with 3rd place showing: 4/19

    With six points separating NC State from 4th place UVA, the Wolfpack will hold on to finish third in this year’s conference meet.
    I believe this is the best performance of the spring for an NC State team.
    Somewhere on Lake Gaston, Lee Fowler is smiling.

    Title: “Coach” Fowler: Habitual No Show: 4/16
    Lee Fowler must be a busy man with his fishin’ and avoidance of providing direction or oversight for any of NC State’s various underachieving coaches.

    As you can see just in the month of April SFN has editorialized in various articles about LF and I have no problem with that except that of lately it seemed to be an issue of piling on.
    I also said in my comments that I have been critical of Lee Fowler and at various points in time I have desired for another athletic director, so I am no great defender of LF.

    I also think SFN provides a very good and thorough service to State fans in general. I just want to point out that SFN makes it very obvious that you dont want to LF to be athletic director anymore and to deny that is blowing smoke as you pointed out in the Wolfpack Club attendance article.

  19. StateFans 05/01/2008 at 11:31 AM #

    ^ Who denies it?

    We remain consistent in our belief that anyone who would like to control &/or influence the content of a blog should go start their own blog and please share with us the link so that we can add it to our blogroll.

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