More “Coach Fowler” Wisdom

Fowler’s talking to Tim Peeler on gopack.com, so you knew that some unintended hilarity would ensue. Although there are actually some good points in the article (SFN heartily welcomes the promised changes in the basketball office), we can’t resist commenting on this nugget:

“Regarding basketball, when I was an assistant coach at the University of Memphis, our team experienced a similar turnaround. In the 1980-81 season, we were 13-14. By the third year, we were in the Sweet Sixteen and by the fourth year, we were in the Final Four.”

As you may remember, the secret of this remarkable turnaround was simple – cheating. We suppose the Pack could get a better PG with a shoebox full of cash. Is that Fowler’s guiding wisdom to Sidney Lowe?

Fowler spoke specifically to changes expected within the basketball program:

“In this off-season, there will be some changes made within the basketball office. Sidney is going back to square one, looking at what each member of the staff does to make certain it is the most efficient and effective way of getting things done. He is reviewing all facets of the basketball operation. He was at the Final Four, and, as all coaches do, he talked to people he knew in the business.”

We hope that means Sid talked to Larry Brown (between a few rounds of “rock, chalk, Jayhawk”), and that Larry pulled no punches. Naturally, a competent AD would have made sure a neophyte college coach like Sidney Lowe was doing that from Day One. Maybe Fowler has been reading SFN for counseling advice – see here and here.

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59 Responses to More “Coach Fowler” Wisdom

  1. redfred2 04/11/2008 at 11:28 AM #

    “I’d think your comments were written by my wife…”

    Um, I’m not too bright, but I don’t know if that^ is supposed to be a compliment, or a swipe at my manhood.

  2. WolftownVA81 04/11/2008 at 11:31 AM #

    Not only are his goals missing anything related to excellence on the field, he doesn’t even spin well. Besides the baseball question dodge, how about this one:

    GoPack.com: Spring football is underway. Have you had a chance to spend any time watching Coach Tom O’Brien and his team?

    Fowler: The improvement from last spring to this spring is tremendous. The players know his system and understand the expectations for their individual position. Coach O’Brien feels good about the progress they have made this year. His organization is phenomenal. No question he has accomplished many goals in his first year on the job: getting everybody to buy-in to the program and moving forward. In Football, you have to have two or three years to get your system in place so players are doing exactly as you would have them do. We certainly are looking forward to great things with our football program.

    My take on this answer, “We’ll, I haven’t actually seen the team practice but Coach O says things are going swell.”

    Good thing I have faith in TOB, no help will be coming from LF. The best he can do is not to grant anymore interviews.

  3. kyjelly 04/11/2008 at 11:57 AM #

    the thing with the memphis turnaround he claims to be a part of Lee baby had nothing to do with and back in 80-81 things were looking up at that time! As oppossed to here where he had a hand in f n everything up ,but if Sid says “things are looking up Lee” Good ole Lee will take his word for it !
    ps that 80-81 memphis team did not finish up the year with 9 straight losses and did not go through the motions that whole season as well.

  4. packbackr04 04/11/2008 at 12:00 PM #

    i liked that one too. hes like a politician. dodging questions like Hillary Clinton..

    im just surprised there was no sniper fire at this gopack interview.

  5. 66pack 04/11/2008 at 12:13 PM #

    packpackr04—-can’t aim with your nose up his a–.

  6. packbackr04 04/11/2008 at 1:03 PM #

    thank you ladies and gentlemen, 66pack will be here all weekend. try the roast beef.

  7. Classof89 04/11/2008 at 1:36 PM #

    Mr. O: I believe wrestling top 25 finish is due to one really good guy you finished in top 4 or 5 in country. I think we only sent only one other guy to nationals (might have been two others…) This year was definitely rebuilding…don’t know if that was due to graduation from previous ACC championship or injuries, but I think we have a good coach there…

    The other interesting nugget I found in that interview…are they REALLY considering a 9th ACC football game, or is that Lee just speculating? I think that would be FANTASTIC…no excuse for us (or any other team) having to go for as long without playing a traditional rival as we did with Duke (what was it…four years?). With 9 games, you’d play 4 of the six in the other division with two teams rotating off in a “four years on, two years off” rotation, and never go more than two seasons with a Coastal Division team off the schedule. I really like that, and hope the TV moguls really lean hard on the ACC about that and about the 18 game mens hoops schedule (which would presumably be set up as a “7-2-2” rotation–7 home and homes, two away only and two home only–which would ALSO result in going no more than two seasons without a home and home with any given team, and would possibly allow for three “permanent” home and homes)

  8. sautz 04/11/2008 at 1:41 PM #

    Back to the company analogy, I read this article like; “Well, we’ve been in the red for a long, long time but at least we have a shiny new office building.”

  9. spudwebb 04/11/2008 at 2:40 PM #

    “I get the feeling that Lee is going to try and screw us over as bad as he possbily can if he ever gets another job offer.”

    I would replace “if” with “until”, and drop “try and”.

  10. ncsu96 04/11/2008 at 3:05 PM #

    “He(sidney) was at the Final Four, and, as all coaches do, he talked to people he knew in the business.”
    —-
    Didn’t we hire 3 very experienced assistants to help Sidney transition to college game?

    This year’s results makes me think either our assistants stink or Sidney wasn’t listening. I know in reality it’s not that simple but it certainly makes you wonder.

    It’s obvious Sidney is very bright and understands x&o’s, I also think he loves the Wolfpack enough to check his ego at the door. Let’s just hope he listen to the right advice this summer. Larry Brown would certainly be a good one to start with.

  11. BoKnowsNCS71 04/11/2008 at 3:33 PM #

    Ease up on ole Lee. The NC State Bass Fishing Team beat the UNC bass Fishing Team last week. How they catch bass with gouda cheese and crackers at CH is beyond me.

  12. Noah 04/11/2008 at 4:09 PM #

    This year’s results makes me think either our assistants stink or Sidney wasn’t listening. I know in reality it’s not that simple but it certainly makes you wonder.

    What has Sidney Lowe ever done in his coaching career that makes you think this year was an aberration?

  13. ushum 04/11/2008 at 4:14 PM #

    add to this that Wall favors Memphis…

    i’m starting to think we are headed for a massive train wreck…

  14. Astral Rain 04/11/2008 at 4:40 PM #

    Well, look at who we have as assistants. Towe was at New Orleans. That’s like one step up from the MEAC.

    If there isn’t a pulse by the end of next year, Lowe needs to be canned, even if it takes mass national embarassment. As for Fowler- we need to trick the Scientologists into thinking he banned Scientologists from State or something- the sheer pressure they’d use would be enough to get him to quit.

  15. wolfman 04/11/2008 at 5:05 PM #

    “Our focus has been to update our facilities and bring them into that Top 25 category.”

    The focus should be to get our teams into that Top 25 category. And along the way, win a championship at something.

  16. highstick 04/11/2008 at 7:46 PM #

    We used to have “lynchings” to get rid of undesirables(and please don’t read anything racist into this use of the term. Carolina even burned Dean “at the stake”! What have we done? Nothing except for our dummy Chancellor to give Foulup an award for excellence. Go figure?

  17. cowdog 04/11/2008 at 8:17 PM #

    ” Rose Bud “

  18. howlie 04/11/2008 at 9:14 PM #

    I could tell you some things about Coach Jed, but if I did, I would have to kill you.

  19. packpigskinfan23 04/11/2008 at 10:11 PM #

    ^I’ll sacrifice myself for the rest of Wolfpack Nation if it get Lee fired!!

  20. Wufpacker 04/12/2008 at 2:49 AM #

    -“Nowhere is there a goal of winning. He has dropped his stated goal of “top three in the ACC in each sport” he had earlier in his career. This just enforces the point that he has no set goals. There is no doubt why we are where we are. And it has been proven that good facilites are not the most important key to success. Godo coaching and leadership is.”-

    Of course the goal of winning is no longer present. He has found that over his eight years at NCSU (has it really been only eight years???) that NONE of his superiors will hold him responsible for winning, so why should he state that as a goal. He can’t deliver it so stating it as a goal is just inviting the criticism. He knows that as long as he keeps the athletic dept. in the black (luv those LTR’s babeeee!!) he will likely keep enough folks happy. This has been true his whole tenure here so why should he think otherwise? If TPTB at NCSU (chancellor, big-time donors, etc) would demand more then perhaps we would see a difference. The difference certainly might be him failing to reach the goals of having winning programs across the board, but at least then we could expect a change when expectations were not met, and there would be some hope for the future.

    As it stands now, the light at the end of the tunnel is nothing but an oncoming train. Too bad Lee isn’t on the tracks.

  21. PackerInRussia 04/12/2008 at 5:15 AM #

    cowdog,

    Are you trying to say that Lee Fowler is just a man who longs to go back to the happy memories of boyhood? Or are you accusing him of trying to buy love? Or perhaps you think that if he had just been “given a good thrashing” as a boy he may have grown up differently? Or maybe I’m reading too much in to your CK reference.

  22. Old School Wolf 04/12/2008 at 10:07 AM #

    First time poster, two year lurker. Probably will not post much as someone usually is on the “same wave length” as I am. Posters here frequently make me look at the facts and media musings in a different way than I had at first. Thanks for the much needed humor as well. The GoPack interview with “coach Fowler” merely confirmed again for me that excelling in athletics is not important enough to him. Mr.Fowler no doubt would like for us to excel but has no plan or expectations for us excel. Mr Fowler has never expressed verbally any desire for us to excel when he represents us in public. My nickname for Lee Fowler is “Couch” Fowler not “coach” Fowler. Obviously, our nominal athletic leader is on his couch too much rather than being a coach and mentor for developing professional staff. Excelling in our sports programs, sports administration, and the classroom should be the goal of everyone in our university. Excelling or failing over extended periods of time becomes an enormous part of our public and self image. Thank you to all our coaches and administrators who are actively engaged in combining the two. You make us proud of our university and programs. The ones not actively engaged in excelling know who you are and we do as well. You should get up from the couch and do your job. As we attend these grip and grin meetings with the WPC,BOT,faculty, etc., we must question those who are supposed to be leading our university one question when they ask us for money. When will excelling in sports and the classroom become expected and important again. Let’s win the right way and expect to win the right way. Go Pack!

  23. redfred2 04/12/2008 at 12:23 PM #

    “Mr Fowler has never expressed verbally any desire for us to excel when he represents us in public.”

    He may be dumb, but he’s not stupid enough to commitment to success. His own well being, as well as his whole existence as the AD, is totally dependent upon his “success” in lowering the bar.

    I think we’d all have to agree that Lee Fowler and company have done a bang up job in accomplishing that.

  24. turfpack 04/12/2008 at 8:58 PM #

    When nothing is demanded of anyone-nothing great will be accomplished.
    That is the State of NC State.
    Leader-Oblinger
    Accomplice-LEE

    Now you know why MAF really left-knowone wants to be accountable for their job and the list is endless at the university.She stirred up the pot a little to hard for comfort and got tired of the good-ol-boy attiude.

    Why we can’t find the fuel that drove the pack engine in the 70’s and 80’s—-Leadership and Coaching I Think.

  25. Todd 04/12/2008 at 10:22 PM #

    BC Hockey … Natl Champs!! ACC!!

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