Major NCAA Hoops Announcement Tomorrow?

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I could see the early entry rule changed from one year to two years, but the NBA Player’s Association would have to sign off on that change first:

1:55 p.m. — A press release was just passed out. There’s a press conference at 1 p.m. on Monday here in San Antonio. It’s set up for “NCAA president Myles Brand and NBA commissioner David Stern to make a major announcement.”

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87 Responses to Major NCAA Hoops Announcement Tomorrow?

  1. wolfpacker420 04/07/2008 at 10:11 AM #

    Roy should hire Matt D as a recruiter so Roy can win a ring on his own!

  2. gopherfan 04/07/2008 at 10:23 AM #

    Amen wolfpacker. I’ve been needling my tarheel buddies for years that Roy is a great recruiter and can beat the hell out of teams with inferior talent but when tested always seems to fold like a wet noodle. It drives them crazy since somehow Roy has been elevated to a God-like status among the tarheel faithful. I think a LOT of coaches could have won in ’05 with 4 lottery picks. Good luck to KS tonight and to winning a title without Roy at that helm.

  3. gopherfan 04/07/2008 at 10:25 AM #

    edit what?

  4. ncsumatman 04/07/2008 at 11:06 AM #

    I’m sick of hearing talking heads like Cowherd talk about the right that kids have to make a living. The NBA union, like the NFL union that excluded Clarett have a codified right to set requirements for membership and to protect their current members. I know everyone here is talking about tourney expansion, but if anyone says “man, that 2 year rule just ain’t right, those kids should play if they wanna.” Just tell them to read the NLRA, read the Clarett case, and blame Eddie Jones and Michael Finley for having their union protect their jobs.

  5. BoKnowsNCS71 04/07/2008 at 11:21 AM #

    I think Cowhed also said that save for Carmelo Anthoney who did well in his first year out and Shane Battier and another who are now doing well, most of the kids who go early just don’t pan out.

    But hey – -maybe the one shot payday and then a short career in Europe followed by the rest of your life from age 30+ on doing menial, low paying jobs due to a lack of a college education is worth it. I think not.

    For every Moses Malone and Labron James — there are 10 times more losers stories out there that we never hear about. Many of these poor kids are simply becoming fodder for the NBA and failure.

    I think I would rather see the NBA set aside a percentage of their NBA payday in a trust fund to be used for going back to college in their later years to graduate or if they are unable to (or prefer not to) do that then it goes into an IRA type fund for their later life. Nothing so sad as seeing a former point guard as the custodian at your child’s grade school.

  6. Elrod 04/07/2008 at 11:36 AM #

    “The fact that the NBA and NCAA are coming together in an energetic way to take a comprehensive look at youth basketball is very encouraging,” Ackerman said. “This is not just about basketball; it’s about preparing young people for life.”

    This, my friends, is the big lie designed to make this feel good. I agree with one of the writers; this is simply about finding a way to improve the NBA’s image. I’ve got news for them; this is a dollar-driven societal problem that can’t be fixed by pushing the level of professional “guidance” down to younger kids. We have enough of that already. If the NBA wants to really battle that problem, let them sink some real money into programs that build solid families that raise solid kids that can, in turn, populate colleges and the NBA with young adults that are capable of being both professionals and citizens.

  7. choppack1 04/07/2008 at 12:04 PM #

    “The NBA union, like the NFL union that excluded Clarett have a codified right to set requirements for membership and to protect their current members. I know everyone here is talking about tourney expansion, but if anyone says “man, that 2 year rule just ain’t right, those kids should play if they wanna.”

    So you are arguing that it’s “the right thing to do” to have a union exclude qualified employees from a job. I don’t have a problem w/ a union setting those rules up for membership, but when it comes to laws governing employment, I can’t think of much else more discriminatory than a union excluding qualified personnel because of a random age qualification.

    NCState1971 – If you actually look at the #s – I think you’ll see that it’s not that clear cut:
    1997 – Tracy McGrady
    1998 – Al Harrington, Rashard Lewis (2nd round), Korleone Young (2nd round)
    1999 – Jonathan Bender, Leon Smith
    2000 – Darius Miles, Deshawn Stevenson
    2001 – Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, DeSagna Diop, Ousmanne Cisse (2nd round)
    2002 – Omare Stoudamire
    2003 – Lebron James, Travis Outlaw, Ndubi Ebi, Kendrick Perkins, James Lang
    2004 – Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, JR Smith, Dorell Wright
    2005 – Martell Webster, Andrew Bynum, Gerald Green.

    There are definitely alot of busts on this list. But there are some success stories as well.

  8. ncsumatman 04/07/2008 at 12:25 PM #

    choppack, I didn’t say it was the right thing to do, nor does the law mandate a union set requirements for employees, but it allows it. As in the NFL, the NBA union has chosen to exercise that right, whether it be at the behest of the league is of no consequence.

    This is no different than unions requiring all subcontractors on a building site be union, they exclude others for their own purpose. We don’t belly ache b/c Jim Bob’s plumbing doesn’t get a contract b/c they aren’t union, why is this any different?

  9. Wulfpack 04/07/2008 at 12:58 PM #

    Off topic but thought some would like to know Haith just got a five year contract extension at Miami.

  10. packbackr04 04/07/2008 at 1:02 PM #

    this is a neat read talking about the # of applicants for programs that have top 20 sports teams. Maybe someone should send Oblinger a memo. Sports do matter for the welfare of your university. As a matter of fact, some would say they are paramount to the success of a university.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080324/sc_livescience/marchmadnessboostsstudentapplications

    “Colleges and universities with football teams in the top 20 showed a 2.5 percent gain in student applications the next year, while the top 10 teams garnered their schools a 3 percent gain. Football championship winners saw a 7 percent to 8 percent jump in applications.”

    As a Mountaineer alum, i was told ASU had $9,000 freshman applications this yr and if you dont have nearly a 4.0 GPA with several extra-ciriculars, you should go ahead and apply at UNCW or ECU (no thanks ill be fine without a venerial disease)

    Also, Kudos to Davidson, when asked about the cost of sending all their students to the sweet 16. Officials said that college was more than just a place to get an education, it is an “experience” that you should take with you for the rest of your life and if they could provide that experience for their students, there is no price they wouldnt have paid.

  11. choppack1 04/07/2008 at 1:02 PM #

    ncsumatman – I’d bellyache – that’s bs – pure and simple. Union membership should be optional.

  12. Noah 04/07/2008 at 1:07 PM #

    If I’m the NBA, I want the system that’s going to get me the richest crop of players. That’s not the current system. I want to be able to take a long look at these guys and I want to be able to see them against varying levels of competition. That’s not the current system.

    If I’m college, I want a system that gets me the richest crop of prospects. That’s not the current system. I also want a system that prevents the sort of topsy-turvy boom-or-bust seasons we have now where a good recruiting class will get you a Final Four berth one year and a losing season the next.

    There’s nothing good about the current system.

    As far as the players working menial jobs…it wasn’t like most of these people were going to be electrical engineers before basketball ruined their life. Most of them were going to be pumping gas or working the docks or mowing grass anyway.

    The players with brains will return to school and get their degrees and move on with their lives. The others….won’t.

    A good friend of mine from college spent 10 years playing in Europe. He plays in two leagues each year. He’s lived in Spain, France, Italy, Holland and Sweden. The leagues are about three months long, so he played three months and rested three months, played and then rested.

    He made about $100,000 a year. It would be more now, given the sad state of the dollar. He paid no taxes. His room and board were taken care of. He and another player shared a nice apartment. Public transportation was everywhere and he said the women were…accomodating. Plus, he was a black man from the south, and he always said he enjoyed living abroad.

    He was three semesters short of a diploma when his eligibility was up, so he spent his summers working out at school and taking about four classes in the summer. He’s got a degree now.

    This was not a player that was ranked even in the top-300 coming out of high school. He got exactly one Division I scholarship offer. He only started his last two years and he averaged about 15 points a game at a teeny little school.

    If some of these guys can’t make it in the NBA, it’s their own fault for not putting together a decent pro basketball career, because they are almost always much more talented than my friend.

    He told me once that he had a teammate in Italy who had been a big high school recruit. After college, he didn’t make it in the NBA and his agent got him a shot in Italy. He lasted exactly one season. He spent the entire time he wasn’t playing basketball in his apartment waiting for it to be over.

  13. Elrod 04/07/2008 at 1:24 PM #

    Ah, the eternal argument about unions and their place in business. One thing is for certain: if a union is present, the associated business deserves it!

  14. Dr. BadgerPack 04/07/2008 at 1:30 PM #

    Chop- does your list include those who declared themselves eligible and went undrafted?

  15. highonlowe 04/07/2008 at 1:34 PM #

    The presser was about none of the above. It was just an announcement on a NBA/NCAA youth basketball initiative. Go to nba.com to read it. (I would link to it but everytime I do my post gets flagged as spam)

  16. highstick 04/07/2008 at 1:48 PM #

    I like the “go after high school or until your class finishes their junior year in college idea”. I’d bet Moses Malone never thought it would come to this!

    Off topic, I’ve had two Carolina fans call me this morning and say, “well, before I ask you something, go ahead and let me have it”! My response has been, “Remember Rick Mount??? You guys have don’t this before, haven’t you??”

    Since I don’t care who wins anymore, I may watch tonight!

  17. choppack1 04/07/2008 at 2:07 PM #

    DrBadger – No. But how does that list compare to those who went to school for 3 or 4 years and didn’t get drafted?

  18. GAWolf 04/07/2008 at 2:50 PM #

    You give me a $10 million signing bonus and one year in the NBDL and I promise you I won’t be taking any “menial” jobs from that point forward. I won’t take any job… period… from that day forward. It’s a good gig if you can get it.

    And what do guys in Europe make these days anyway? 20-25 years old… see Europe… get paid to do… sign me up. I went over there when I was that age and I paid a pretty penny to do it. Were I a want-to-be NBA bench warmer, you could throw me in that brier patch all day long. If the young men would invest in something besides cars with spinners you wouldn’t hear about how horrible it is that they go pro.

    With that said… stay in school kids. School is cool.

    Seriously… what’s a guy make shooting hoops in a hischool-sized gym in Spain these days? I have no clue. I bet it’s more than say an attorney for the State of NC makes (Assistant Attorney General or Assistant District Attorney). And those dumbies went to seven years of difficult higher learning to do it. I bet they would cherish the opportunity to sweat 3 hours a day in a gym in Turkey for their same salary.

  19. gannon 04/07/2008 at 3:15 PM #

    *Thread Highjack*

    Seton Hall sophomore guard Larry Davis has decided to leave the men’s basketball program and pursue transfer opportunities, the school announced Monday.

  20. GoldenChain 04/07/2008 at 3:26 PM #

    Oh I thought the major announcement would be that unx-xh was to be named a permanent member of the Final 4 and that the NBA would give guaranteed contracts to all unx-xh players who stayed 4 years.

  21. Noah 04/07/2008 at 3:31 PM #

    The lower leagues of Europe don’t pay that well. You’re looking at anywhere from $15,000 to $30,000. Maybe a little more now. But, you can play in multiple leagues and earn a living.

    And, frankly, if you’re living someplace like Norway, $15,000 probably would be enough to carve out a decent living. It would be hard to live in London or Paris in anything other than a sewer, of course…but you can live in the smaller towns for far less.

  22. packpigskinfan23 04/07/2008 at 3:50 PM #

    so where is this announcement? nothing on any site.

  23. PackerInRussia 04/07/2008 at 3:53 PM #

    Over here you don’t have such things as salary cap or any other rules really. You’ve got these rich owners who will throw a million+ at a player even if their team makes no money simply because they want to have a team that wins. There was an interesting article last year on ESPN.com about the owner of a women’s team in Moscow and how this guy was spending a ton on his players plus all kinds of random gifts before and after games, etc. and that was a women’s team. Even in countries where the pay isn’t great overall, the rich people are usually very rich and they are the ones who own teams and pay players. I know that years ago there was an Australian player in our city and he was making a million a year. I don’t think it’s taxed either. I don’t know how it is in the other European countries, but that’s what it’s like here. It probably varies from team to team.

  24. BoKnowsNCS71 04/07/2008 at 4:14 PM #

    So if one of these guys got a $10m bonus, how much would the government take in taxes? About 50%. Your agent gets his 10%.

    Then the athlete has to take care of mom, buy a Ferrari and pay for some big parties. Flights to nice resorts, some gambling, maybe make some really stupid investments that don’t work out because you never really learned in school how to manage your money and you were not wise enough to get a decent accountant.

    Throw in a marriage – a huge rock then and like Kobe — another big rock when you get caught cheating — eventually a divorce — oops there goes 50% again. Then the child support and alimony (not necessarily related)

    I’m sure there are some sucess cases by kids who signed high but never played well. And I’m certain there are some tragic stories. It would be interesting to see a study on that.

  25. tmb81 04/07/2008 at 4:25 PM #

    Maybe this “major” announcement was just the Hall of Fame enshrinees?

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