One Last Chance

I was reminded this week of an old comedy (maybe Abbott & Costello) where the stars are in the military (maybe French Foreign Legion). There is a scene where everyone is in one line, standing at attention. The sergeant addresses the company and asks for a volunteer for a dangerous mission. Simultaneously everyone takes one step back, leaving our hapless hero as the volunteer.

Doing this entry on bubble teams reminded me of that old movie. Some will step forward and move into the NCAAT. Some will take a step back and fall into the NIT. A third group will essentially stand still and hope that they have already done enough to be included in the Big Dance. But before we take a closer look at the ACC, let’s take a minute and talk about how expansion has affected the ACCT and getting into the NCAAT.

In the good old days, the bubble teams would be somewhere between about 4th thru 6th place in the conference. Their first games in the ACCT were significant because the top teams got the easy pickings and the bubble teams generally faced real competition. With expansion, the bubble teams rank somewhere between 5th and 8th and a win in the first round is simply not that impressive. However, a first-round loss could be devastating to a bubble team.

Going back to the soldier analogy, this is how I view the early rounds of the ACCT for our intrepid bubble teams:

Win on Friday – Take a big step forward
Win on Thursday – Stand in current position
Lose on Thursday – Take a big step backwards

If you’re new around here, take a look at the general criteria for Clearing the Bubble because I’m not going to repeat it today. After you finish with the prerequisites, let’s look at who has something to prove in the ACCT:

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UNC/Duke

If either wins the ACCT, then they will be guaranteed a #1 seed. Depending on what happens in other tournaments, UNC might be able to lose in the finals and still get a #1 seed. Worst case scenario for UNC is probably a 2 seed and a 3 seed for Duke.

Clemson

Oliver Purnell is finally going to make the NCAAT. In fact, their comebacks against UMD and VT may go a long ways into putting those two teams in the NIT.

Clemson’s free-throw shooting will likely limit how far they go in either tournament…but this is clearly the best team from SC since Rick Barnes left for Texas.

Miami

I would have never expected an 8-8 ACC conference team to have an RPI ranking of 28…but that’s where they’re at. Throw in a 4-3 record against the RPI Top-50 and a home win against Duke and they have to be a lock for the NCAAT.

Virginia Tech

I also would have never imagined that a team could earn a first-round bye and not be a lock for the NCAAT, but that’s where I put VT. Their first-round bye is strictly a function of their easy conference schedule…actually make that the easiest conference schedule. (I’ll have more on conference SOS later this week.)

All of the following items scream “bubble”:

RPI Ranking: 57
0-6 record against RPI Top 50
Losses to #156 Penn St, #132 ODU, and #114 Richmond

If VT could have held on at Clemson, then they would likely be in. If they can win on Friday, then they should be in. A loss on Friday will send Hokie fans into Purgatory waiting on the Selection Show on Sunday night.

Maryland

On Feb 10, UMD looked like a lock for the NCAAT….6-3 in conference and a road win in Chapel Hill. On March 10, they find themselves on the bubble and barely hanging on.

RPI Ranking: #69
1-6 record against RPI Top 50
2-5 record down the stretch
Losses to #101 Missouri, #136 BC, #115 UVa

There is some chance that the NCAAT Selection Committee will be blinded by VT’s first-round bye in the ACCT. However, UMD’s problems are obvious to all…especially after the collapse at home against Clemson and a loss to UVa. Two wins in the ACCT will probably be enough to make the NCAAT. A loss on Thursday will certainly send them to the NIT. I doubt that one win on Thursday will be enough, but I guess that stranger things have happened.

FSU

Before we pass judgment on FSU, let’s review the resume that got a 7-9 Arkansas team into the NCAAT last year.

For most of the conference schedule Ark stunk. From 1/9 thru 2/24, they struggled with a 4-9 record during the SEC portion of their schedule. Here is the five-game winning streak that earned them a NCAAT bid:

#64 Miss St and #47 Vanderbilt during the last week of regular season
#110 SC, #47 Vanderbilt, and #64 Miss St in the SECT.

Now I’m not saying that Ark didn’t deserve a bid. Those two wins against Vandy were against an NCAAT team. Their final RPI ranking of #35 and 5-5 record against the RPI Top-50 is more than respectable. The point that I’m trying to make is that Arkansas didn’t have to beat a Final Four contender to get an at-large bid even though they struggled for most of the year.

Now for FSU:

RPI Ranking #63
4-5 Record against RPI Top-50
4-1 record over the last five games with two wins versus RPI Top-30

In 2005, two wins in the ACCT were enough to get #65 NC State into the NCAAT. Now we know that there are no clearly-set, static criteria for clearing the bubble. But if FSU wins two games in the ACCT this year, then they will have matched or surpassed the 2005 NCSU team in nearly every criteria generally discussed this time of year.

GT/WF

While they are both sitting at 7-9, I just don’t think that two wins would be enough for either team. If either team hits a hot streak, then maybe we can do a special entry on Sunday morning to take another look at their chances of an at-large bid.

CONCLUSION

It looks to me like the ACC is guaranteed four bids and there are enough wins available to get at least two more teams in. Now let’s tip off and see who delivers when it counts the most.

General Note

For those with reading comprehension issues, this entry is about the ACCT and criteria for making the NCAAT. Off-topic comments are prone to deletion with no explanation. Complaints about deleted posts will certainly be deleted as well.

Oh and one last thing….Don’t attempt to bury off-topic comments in a longer post. I’m generally too lazy to edit posts…it’s just easier to delete the entire thing.

About VaWolf82

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55 Responses to One Last Chance

  1. PackerInRussia 03/10/2008 at 3:36 PM #

    “I believe VPI needs to win Friday & Saturday to feel comfortable. Rarely does a team in a tournament pull for the better team in their bracket to win but VPI needs for Miami to beat us so they will have a chance to post their best win of the season against the Canes.”

    Not to mention the fact that, for whatever reason, we seemingly own the Turkeys.

    I think State is certainly capable of making some type of run (maybe a few in a row?) based on the way that they play when they put forth effort and I think they really will try hard. IF State were able to do so, I think that would show the strength of the ACC in which the last place team is able to win several games in their conference tourney. Either that or it will make us, as fans, more frustrated that we didn’t see that kind of effort all season. In any case, I will always pull for the Pack and hope for the impossible. Go Pack!

  2. packbackr04 03/10/2008 at 3:54 PM #

    no, we will lose by 20 to miami. mark it in your notebook right now

  3. Rochester 03/10/2008 at 3:58 PM #

    last yr we were on a little streak coming into the ACC tourney, plus we had recetnly gotten Atsur back so he was semi-healthy. we were riding a big high after just knocking off UNC in late Feb last yr.

    This isn’t true. Our win over UNC was on Feb. 3, after which we went 2-6 to finish the regular season. Our last five losses were by 15 or more, including a 26-point whipping in Tallahassee. One of the two wins was against a weak Wake team, the other was against Virginia Tech, who just didn’t match up with us well. Aside from Atsur, there are a lot of parallels between our position last year at this time and now.

    That being said, I’m still not sure what kind of run we’ve got, but I’m taking off early from work on Thursday and hoping for the best.

  4. Howler 03/10/2008 at 4:00 PM #

    Can Clemson be our agreed upon fan favorite in the ACCT? They haven’t been to the NCAAT in 10 or 11 years, and I think they have a heckuva team. Since I know we can’t expect anything from the Pack, I am willing to live vicariously through Clemson, and I would LOVE to see them defeat DOOK and/or the HOLES. Go Tigers!

  5. Howler 03/10/2008 at 4:17 PM #

    I will pull for the Pack as long as they are in it, but if and when they are out, I will pull against the blue duo.

  6. Texpack 03/10/2008 at 5:02 PM #

    The way to win you office pool is to pick against any PAC-10 school playing any other major conference opponent, especially an ACC one in the first round.

  7. Ismael 03/10/2008 at 5:09 PM #

    yes guys, dreaming, but, as some of you have pointed out, its not all that idyllic, its actually a possibility…that’s just so i can savor some prescience if all goes to plan.

  8. VaWolf82 03/10/2008 at 5:15 PM #

    I should have included a link to the Dance Card.

    http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

    They have VT, FSU, and Maryland in the last 10 out….all certainly within striking distance, but they all need to prove something in the ACCT.

  9. BillyVest 03/10/2008 at 5:35 PM #

    IF State were able to do so, I think that would show the strength of the ACC in which the last place team is able to win several games in their conference tourney

    I think it shows the reverse. Your conference, other than Duke or Carolina, is so weak you can’t keep your last place team in its place.

  10. howlie 03/10/2008 at 5:45 PM #

    Don’t know where to blog this so it can be seen, but is there any way to format the ‘blog pages’ so that once you click on a topic to read the full article and responses, that the ‘readable area’ could be 8″ or 10″ wide instead of the 4 1/2″ inches it is now? (Just a suggestion to help the readers).
    It oten takes two or three lines down before you can even read one sentence, and makes it cumbersome to scroll down to simply read on response. I suggest this in complete ignorance of how to set these formats up… and enjoy this site. Just wondering…

  11. Ed89 03/10/2008 at 6:44 PM #

    Howlie, I don’t have the same problem, so it may be your computer. My screen is the full width. As far as BV’s comment, I agree to an extent. I do not think there are any other even Sweet Sixteen capable teams after the top 3, but on the flip side, we don’t have any Oregon State’s, Rutgers, South Florida’s, or Northwestern’s in our conference, either. I think 4-12 are all capable of going on a run and getting wins over top 25 teams. We definitely have a draw that suits us well. We SHOULD beat Miami, but I doubt we will.

  12. Ed89 03/10/2008 at 6:46 PM #

    Oh no…comment awaiting moderation. It must be the “sweet 16” 😉

  13. john of sparta 03/10/2008 at 7:08 PM #

    Abbott & Costello starred in black and white “talkies”.
    Buster Keaton did this gag in the silent era.
    sorta like where we are now.

  14. wufpup76 03/10/2008 at 8:00 PM #

    Howler, if State’s season happens to end this weekend I am absolutely picking Clemson as my team in the NCAA tournament …

  15. wufpup76 03/10/2008 at 8:46 PM #

    Well, Va Tech and Maryland and other “bubble” teams have to sweat even harder now as South Alabama just lost to MTSU in the Sun Belt semis … South Alabama has a top 25 RPI, so they are in fairly good shape to snatch an at-large

    San Diego is currently leading Gonzaga in the championship game of the WCC tournament … The at-large spots look to be going quickly folks … so exciting! 🙂

  16. kyjelly 03/10/2008 at 8:50 PM #

    ed89 add seton hall,providence,st johns,cincy ,they do play an unbalanced schedule as well but very easy to be a .500 team in the big least ……….

  17. howlie 03/10/2008 at 8:52 PM #

    It would be nice to have a contest to rename this article.

    Could be:
    ‘How Many Indulgences to Escape Purgatory’
    or
    ‘The Absolute Last, Least, Worst-Case, Grave-Emerging, Post-Embalming, Casket-Breakout Opportunity’…

  18. turfpack 03/10/2008 at 10:04 PM #

    For some strange reason I think Maryland is going to be the surpise team of the AACT.As far as State goes-I don’t have a CLUE WHAT THEY WILL DO -WHO WILL SHOWUP-HOW THEY WILL PLAY.I know LEE will be there picking and a grinnin.

  19. wufpup76 03/10/2008 at 10:08 PM #

    The bubble temas have to feel absolutely cursed at this point … It’s only Monday, and already VCU, South Alabama, Gonzaga, and Saint Mary’s have all lost in their respective conference tournaments … Each of those 4 teams could steal (Gonzaga definitely will) an at-large berth from an erstwhile bubble team …

    The WCC could get 3 teams w/ San Diego, Gonzaga, and St. Mary’s … amazing

  20. ruffles31 03/10/2008 at 10:42 PM #

    Tonight makes Va Tech, Maryland, Miami, Arizona, Mississippi, and yes, Arizona State, very nervous. They all need to win and win big this weekend. If this keeps up, Clemson and Kentucky better win a game this weekend. Heck, everyone is saying that the Syracuse-Villanova game is an elimination game. With all of these upsets, the winner better also beat Georgetown.

    San Diego played very well tonight. And I always enjoy hearing Terry Gannon do the play by play. They have a great story with one of their players being Jim Jones, Jr. I Read a story about him a couple of weeks ago in SI and it was a great read. Congrats, Toreros!

    Who is going down tomorrow?

  21. MrPlywood 03/10/2008 at 11:25 PM #

    State’s last real chance was back on Feb. 9, at Maryland. The Pack was 4-4 in the conference after winning 3 out of their last 4 (which could have easily been 5 out of 6 had they finished off GT). MD and BC were on the road, but in my opinion, winnable games. Then Clemson at home – chance for revenge at the RBC. And the rest is history. 8 game losing streak. I see no reason to think that State has a run in them. The Duke game was the anomaly – a full game of hostle. They lost the other 7 by an average of 14 points.

    I’m not usually a pessimist. Feel free to prove me wrong Pack. Otherwise I will have to settle for poring over the USA Today next Monday, finding out about teams that I don’t follow and filling out my Pack-less bracket yet again.

  22. RBCRowdy 03/11/2008 at 12:00 AM #

    San Diego’s win tonight may have burst an acc teams bubble unless a team makes a deep run.

  23. LRM 03/11/2008 at 6:17 AM #

    San Diego just made it a little more tense for Florida, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Arizona State.

  24. Rick 03/11/2008 at 6:56 AM #

    “Abbott & Costello starred in black and white “talkies”.
    Buster Keaton did this gag in the silent era.
    sorta like where we are now.”

    Silence is not an adjective you can use when LF is your AD

  25. Ed89 03/11/2008 at 8:46 AM #

    Other than beating Oregon and Seton Hall in late November/early December, I see NO reason that Saint Mary’s should get an at-large bid over a Villanova, VT, or Syracuse…but we’ll see.

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