One Last Chance

I was reminded this week of an old comedy (maybe Abbott & Costello) where the stars are in the military (maybe French Foreign Legion). There is a scene where everyone is in one line, standing at attention. The sergeant addresses the company and asks for a volunteer for a dangerous mission. Simultaneously everyone takes one step back, leaving our hapless hero as the volunteer.

Doing this entry on bubble teams reminded me of that old movie. Some will step forward and move into the NCAAT. Some will take a step back and fall into the NIT. A third group will essentially stand still and hope that they have already done enough to be included in the Big Dance. But before we take a closer look at the ACC, let’s take a minute and talk about how expansion has affected the ACCT and getting into the NCAAT.

In the good old days, the bubble teams would be somewhere between about 4th thru 6th place in the conference. Their first games in the ACCT were significant because the top teams got the easy pickings and the bubble teams generally faced real competition. With expansion, the bubble teams rank somewhere between 5th and 8th and a win in the first round is simply not that impressive. However, a first-round loss could be devastating to a bubble team.

Going back to the soldier analogy, this is how I view the early rounds of the ACCT for our intrepid bubble teams:

Win on Friday – Take a big step forward
Win on Thursday – Stand in current position
Lose on Thursday – Take a big step backwards

If you’re new around here, take a look at the general criteria for Clearing the Bubble because I’m not going to repeat it today. After you finish with the prerequisites, let’s look at who has something to prove in the ACCT:

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UNC/Duke

If either wins the ACCT, then they will be guaranteed a #1 seed. Depending on what happens in other tournaments, UNC might be able to lose in the finals and still get a #1 seed. Worst case scenario for UNC is probably a 2 seed and a 3 seed for Duke.

Clemson

Oliver Purnell is finally going to make the NCAAT. In fact, their comebacks against UMD and VT may go a long ways into putting those two teams in the NIT.

Clemson’s free-throw shooting will likely limit how far they go in either tournament…but this is clearly the best team from SC since Rick Barnes left for Texas.

Miami

I would have never expected an 8-8 ACC conference team to have an RPI ranking of 28…but that’s where they’re at. Throw in a 4-3 record against the RPI Top-50 and a home win against Duke and they have to be a lock for the NCAAT.

Virginia Tech

I also would have never imagined that a team could earn a first-round bye and not be a lock for the NCAAT, but that’s where I put VT. Their first-round bye is strictly a function of their easy conference schedule…actually make that the easiest conference schedule. (I’ll have more on conference SOS later this week.)

All of the following items scream “bubble”:

RPI Ranking: 57
0-6 record against RPI Top 50
Losses to #156 Penn St, #132 ODU, and #114 Richmond

If VT could have held on at Clemson, then they would likely be in. If they can win on Friday, then they should be in. A loss on Friday will send Hokie fans into Purgatory waiting on the Selection Show on Sunday night.

Maryland

On Feb 10, UMD looked like a lock for the NCAAT….6-3 in conference and a road win in Chapel Hill. On March 10, they find themselves on the bubble and barely hanging on.

RPI Ranking: #69
1-6 record against RPI Top 50
2-5 record down the stretch
Losses to #101 Missouri, #136 BC, #115 UVa

There is some chance that the NCAAT Selection Committee will be blinded by VT’s first-round bye in the ACCT. However, UMD’s problems are obvious to all…especially after the collapse at home against Clemson and a loss to UVa. Two wins in the ACCT will probably be enough to make the NCAAT. A loss on Thursday will certainly send them to the NIT. I doubt that one win on Thursday will be enough, but I guess that stranger things have happened.

FSU

Before we pass judgment on FSU, let’s review the resume that got a 7-9 Arkansas team into the NCAAT last year.

For most of the conference schedule Ark stunk. From 1/9 thru 2/24, they struggled with a 4-9 record during the SEC portion of their schedule. Here is the five-game winning streak that earned them a NCAAT bid:

#64 Miss St and #47 Vanderbilt during the last week of regular season
#110 SC, #47 Vanderbilt, and #64 Miss St in the SECT.

Now I’m not saying that Ark didn’t deserve a bid. Those two wins against Vandy were against an NCAAT team. Their final RPI ranking of #35 and 5-5 record against the RPI Top-50 is more than respectable. The point that I’m trying to make is that Arkansas didn’t have to beat a Final Four contender to get an at-large bid even though they struggled for most of the year.

Now for FSU:

RPI Ranking #63
4-5 Record against RPI Top-50
4-1 record over the last five games with two wins versus RPI Top-30

In 2005, two wins in the ACCT were enough to get #65 NC State into the NCAAT. Now we know that there are no clearly-set, static criteria for clearing the bubble. But if FSU wins two games in the ACCT this year, then they will have matched or surpassed the 2005 NCSU team in nearly every criteria generally discussed this time of year.

GT/WF

While they are both sitting at 7-9, I just don’t think that two wins would be enough for either team. If either team hits a hot streak, then maybe we can do a special entry on Sunday morning to take another look at their chances of an at-large bid.

CONCLUSION

It looks to me like the ACC is guaranteed four bids and there are enough wins available to get at least two more teams in. Now let’s tip off and see who delivers when it counts the most.

General Note

For those with reading comprehension issues, this entry is about the ACCT and criteria for making the NCAAT. Off-topic comments are prone to deletion with no explanation. Complaints about deleted posts will certainly be deleted as well.

Oh and one last thing….Don’t attempt to bury off-topic comments in a longer post. I’m generally too lazy to edit posts…it’s just easier to delete the entire thing.

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55 Responses to One Last Chance

  1. Texpack 03/10/2008 at 11:58 AM #

    The natives in College Park have got to be getting restless. UMd ends up in this same position every year it seems. I guess Gary Williams must essentially have a lifetime deal by virtue of the NC.

    The VT situation really highlights just how unbalanced the scheduling is in the ACC. A fourth place, 9-7 team, that may need two ACCT wins to be in would have been unthinkable before expansion.

  2. StateFans 03/10/2008 at 12:00 PM #

    I hate that both Virginia Tech and Maryland were not able to win a couple of more games at the end of the season and boost the conference. It would have been very nice to have six ‘guaranteed’ NCAA Tournament teams.

    But, TexPack is obviously dead-on with the ACC’s unbalanced schedule. The unbalanced nature of ALL of the conferences now change the previous paradigms related to conference records and NCAA Tournament berths.

  3. blackdom 03/10/2008 at 12:06 PM #

    I wish you were right but looks like only 4 will get in…………evewryone is in love with the big least hell even we beat up on them a little

  4. BillyVest 03/10/2008 at 12:11 PM #

    ACC gets 4 teams in. The 5-to-whatever bubble teams have not done enough to get the love they deserve, compared to teams from the Big Ten, Pac 10, and SEC, in the eyes of the people, who make these decisions.

  5. newt 03/10/2008 at 12:12 PM #

    “I was reminded this week of an old comedy (maybe Abbott & Costello) where the stars are in the military (maybe French Foreign Legion). There is a scene where everyone is in one line, standing at attention. The sergeant addresses the company and asks for a volunteer for a dangerous mission. Simultaneously everyone takes one step back, leaving our hapless hero as the volunteer.”

    When I read this, I thought you were going to discuss how Sidney Lowe became NC State basketball coach.

  6. StateFans 03/10/2008 at 12:16 PM #

    * I think VPI can/will get in with one more win. Especially if they get to play Miami (an NCAAT team) on Friday.

    * I think Maryland can/will get in with two more wins – particularly because their second win would be against an NCAA Tournament team in Clemson. FWIW, Rivals is predicting that Maryland will sneak in.

  7. LRM 03/10/2008 at 12:35 PM #

    Maryland’s collapse this season has been nothing short of monumental. They were really crusing after the win in C-H, winning 5 of their next 7 to push their conference record to 6-3, as mentioned. The knock against them is that other than the Carolina win, they didn’t really beat anyone they “should” have beaten, including the loss at BC in December. With that said, I think they have to be playing Sunday to get in, which means they would have to go through Clemson and most likely Duke, which would strengthen their case immensely.

    If GT can get to Saturday, meaning they got through Duke Friday, with their SOS I think they get in, and have a better case than VPI.

  8. RickJ 03/10/2008 at 12:37 PM #

    “A loss on Friday will send Hokie fans into Purgatory waiting on the Selection Show on Sunday night.”

    I believe VPI needs to win Friday & Saturday to feel comfortable. Rarely does a team in a tournament pull for the better team in their bracket to win but VPI needs for Miami to beat us so they will have a chance to post their best win of the season against the Canes. A win against us wouldn’t do them much good. Their 0 – 6 record against the RPI Top 50 is the killer. I would put VPI’s chances right now of making the dance at less than 50%.

  9. Wulfpack 03/10/2008 at 12:39 PM #

    Maryland is out unless it lives to see Sunday. Miami is in. VT is out but plays in with a win. Florida State? No way. I like GT as the sleeper team in this thing.

  10. CaptainCraptacular 03/10/2008 at 12:48 PM #

    Tex, 2 wins for VT would put them into the Championship game (including a possible win over UNC) and that should be more than enough to get them in. Winnning on Friday against Miami/Us and then losing big to Carolina on Saturday would seem to only keep them at status quo really.

    We match up well with VT as evidenced by our recent domination of them. Miami also beat them on VTs home floor, so looks like VT has a hill to climb to reach the tourney. Either team they have to meet on Friday has got their number. Win that and they are rewarded with a probable game vs the heels who beat them by 39 points a few weeks ago. I don’t think VT is going to do it.

    Slightly off topic, by some miracle if we were to put together a solid 40 minutes and beat Miami, I think we could gain enough momentum to carry that through and beat VT. Thats asking a lot though and I hold no illusions of that happening. But strange things tend to happen in the tourney and we have a fairly good road to the semi’s if the bus were to get turned around.

  11. LRM 03/10/2008 at 12:51 PM #

    I’m sure someone will touch on this, but one of my biggest knocks on expansion to this point is that the scheduling doesn’t provide for a true measure of who the best teams in the middle of the pack are. We’ll all agree that NC and Duke are far above the two best teams in the conference, and Clemson is likely the third team (although a slight tier below). But after that, it’s all muddled.

    En route to the 4-seed, VPI played Duke, Carolina, and Clemson only once each, and lost to all three. What they did do was sweep BC and UVa and split with Wake and GT. They also lost to the 12-seed.

    Maryland didn’t sweep a series from anyone they played twice, but did beat the #1 team on the road. They didn’t do anything all season to seperate themselves from the middle of the pack.

    With Duke and Carolina only once each, even after losses at BC, MD, and State and home to GT, Wake put themselves in solid position to make a tourney run adter their win over Duke, yet down the stretch they were unable to beat MD, VPI, or GT, three teams in their tier that would give them the opportunity to show they’re a quality team.

    GT played Carolina and Duke only once and they really only lost two games — FSU and UVa that they really should have won.

    Yet with this chaotic scheduling, how can anyone be certain how the middle should play out? Gone are the days where 9-7 is a lock for the NCAAT. At least all those season Dave Odom complained that a 7-9 Wake team was getting snubbed, there was a balanced round-robin to determine the seedings.

  12. Wulfpack 03/10/2008 at 12:52 PM #

    ^I was thinking the same thing, and actually thing we will beat Miami and VT. Problem is, Carolina is waiting in the wings and they will pummel us into oblivion.

  13. wufpup76 03/10/2008 at 1:05 PM #

    I agree with the sentiment of others that Maryland needs 3 wins in the ACC tournament to get in, and also 2 wins by VT would likely do it for them … This of course is depends on surprise results, or the lack thereof, in other conference tournies

    If we do happen to beat Miami, it’s my opinion that loss removes them from “lock” status … A loss to us (of which we’re hopeful of 🙂 ) would give them 2 losses in a row to “teams they should beat” and puts them at 8-9 overall against ACC competition … I still think they would be ok, but it would be a long 72 hours

    Thanks for this post … I LOVE this stuff 🙂

  14. packbackr04 03/10/2008 at 1:15 PM #

    we have zero, repeat zero chance to beat Miami. what has anyone seen in the last 45 days that would lead you to make an educated guess that we can beat anyone in the ACC. no my friend, NCSU is done as of thursday at about 2:45 when Sid buries his head in his hands while miami jumps out to a 19-4 lead to start the game.

    its over. let the transfers begin.

    VT will get in with a win on Friday over miami. if they lose, they should be firmly on the bubble and doing some nail-biting on sunday. I dont see anyone else from the ACC getting in barring a run to Sunday (which would mean they have beaten either UNC or Duke)

  15. LRM 03/10/2008 at 1:38 PM #

    Even better, the first Friday of the NCAAT is Good Friday, which means businesses will only have to deal with a single day of lost productivity this year.

  16. choppack1 03/10/2008 at 1:59 PM #

    I made the mistake of watching ESPN last night. They kept on talking about how the Pac 10 was the best conference….As if everyone in college basketball had played a round robin and they came out ahead. They have an 0fer in their conference…and everyone got to play that 0-fer. Twice.

    Also, if there’s ever a team that is benefitting from the rules of the RPI, it’s UCLA. They’ve basically had the direct benefit of horrid calls to win their last 2 games. IMHO, I think the Pac 10 sucks and that UCLA doesn’t deserve the No. 1 seed.

    I do know that UVA beat AZ. I also know that we were 3-0 against the Big East. We won the Big 10 challenge.

    Do we have a losing record against any conference.

    This brings up the ACC schedule. We’ve chose to play only 16 conference games. A lot of the bigger conferences are playing at least 18 now…I can’t do the math right now – In other words, I don’t know if it’s possible to play 7 teams 2 times (creating 14 games) – the remaining 4 one time. Of course, this would require Swoff to be ahead of the 8-ball or at least w/ it. – and he’s proven to be nothing if not reactionary.

  17. wolfpacker420 03/10/2008 at 2:07 PM #

    Miami is out if we upset them!

    SFN: I don’t think that is necessarily true. Perhaps if EVERY bubble team made runs and all the chips fell against Miami…but, that is pretty unlikely.

  18. Ismael 03/10/2008 at 2:23 PM #

    This season (while reality tells me that we will lose) is shaping up to be the kind of heart-wrenching season it has been. Ever since Justin Gainey garnered “Iron Man” honors as a freshman PG (what i wouldn’t have given for a justin-gainey type this year) NCSU has been a pretty remarkable ACCT team. Of course, they were all pretty heartbreaking, like last year, but its shaping up i think to be another emotional trap, like when your wife asks you does those jeans look good on her.

    We could easily beat Miami, and i know there is no prior evidence to say we will, but was there really last year? we just caught fire if i remember, Horner look liked Larry Bird half the time. Costner of course looked all-world too. We just have VT’s number for some reason, go figure, Clemson has NEVER won in Chapel Hole, whose to say we should EVER lose to VT again.

    Then we’d face the tire-heels. It’d be poetic justice somewhat to beat them, them over-looking us for the showdown with Duke again, or if Duke shoots a realistic % from 3-land they’d lose and then the ‘Holes would be chomping at the bit to play a lesser team in the finals. We could beat’em.

    Then if we played Dook, we have outplayed them for 3/4 of the halves this year and ought to be able to get over the hump and we win the ACCT. First team to win 4 straight. Someone’s gotta be the first to win 4 straight and why not on the anniversary of ’83.

    Then we get to the NCAAT and lose in the first round to someone like…(thinking)…Pittsburgh or Texas A&M or whoever would be a 5th seed. I haven’t looked at rankings in 3 months.

  19. Astral Rain 03/10/2008 at 2:30 PM #

    I think it State managed to win 4 games, they’d still get no better then a 14 seed.

  20. smile102 03/10/2008 at 2:35 PM #

    …. imaginative fairy tale.

  21. Par Shooter 03/10/2008 at 3:01 PM #

    Even though I fully expect a flameout on Thursday by the Pack, you can’t help but look at that bracket and think that someone is smiling on us. Of all of the matchups for us in the 1st 2 rounds I think we drew the best possible outcome. No dynamite point guards (Rice, Singletary, Vasquez, Douglas, Ish Smith-the last 3 at least against us). No unc-ch or duke on Friday if it gets that far. If I had to draw up a path for us to make it to Saturday based on the available teams I think Miami-VT would be it. Hell they are 2 of our 4 conference wins all year.

  22. BillyVest 03/10/2008 at 3:07 PM #

    If we’re dreaming, we win 10 straight and win it all!

  23. packbackr04 03/10/2008 at 3:14 PM #

    last yr we were on a little streak coming into the ACC tourney, plus we had recetnly gotten Atsur back so he was semi-healthy. we were riding a big high after just knocking off UNC in late Feb last yr. And most notably, the team still believed in Sid….this yr’s team has none of that going for them. there is dissension, we are losing at least two of our better players at years end. im sure the players know who is and isnt transferring. There is no chance of post-season play barring making it to sunday. And this team hasnt played with any heart all year. So, no. Last years team and the run they made is nothing like this years team. no comparison.

  24. packbackr04 03/10/2008 at 3:21 PM #

    im calling for Mcclinton to go APE $hit all over us and have a career night to end our season. He’ll have a huge double-double while dropping in at least 30. We will have to watch hopelessly as javi continues to slip behind those GD screens all night long leaving Mclinton wide open for dagger after dagger from 25-30ft.

    Its funny, but the more tape teams get of us, the more exploited our weaknesses are. hmmmmm.

  25. Rick 03/10/2008 at 3:31 PM #

    The only bubble we have is the saliva bubble forming in the corner of LF’s ever moving mouth.

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