Hook Em!

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It is Rick Barnes vs John Calipari. A match-up of two premier coaches that NC State could have hired multiple times since 1995. A match-up designed to highligh Lee Fowler’s incompetence as the two primary coaches on which Fowler should have been able close the deal two years ago match-up for the right to head to San Antonio next week for the Final Four.

Personally, I’m pulling for Barnes in this match-up because of (1) his ties to North Carolina; (2) his ties to Clemson and the ACC; (3) the fact that I lived in Houston for four years; and (4) the dignified manner in which he behaved (relative to Calipari) during his conversations with NC State two years ago. But, I think this game sets up very well for Memphis and would take the Tigers if I were betting the money line in Las Vegas (even though I advanced Texas on my bracket at the beginning of the tournament).

This is probably the perfect spot for us to spill some more beans on the 2005 coaching search, but (un)fortunately our time is limited. For your own fun, we suggest that you play in our archives for items that may be of interest to you…and, maybe later in the week we will find some time for some insight into what happened behind the scenes two years ago.

This Final Four is already shaping up as a nightmare for Lee Fowler as it represents countless lessons on how to be proactive and successfully manage your program with UNC-CH and UCLA, both of whom fired their previous coaches who had compiled records and momentum that Fowler would have killed for during the Sendek era (Doherty & Lavin), already punching their tickets.

We’ll open this entry for today’s NCAA Tournament games…and we will direct your attention to two great related entries – Saturday’s Basketball Bytes and Friday’s Basketball Bytes.

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07-08 Basketball

93 Responses to Hook Em!

  1. blackdom 03/31/2008 at 12:06 PM #

    ok alum but that should have never entered into it ,you hire the best possible candidate you make a mistake,you pull the plug.

  2. Rochester 03/31/2008 at 1:31 PM #

    Seems to me there where numerous NC State fans that didn’t want Calipari. These are the same folks that feel like the academic performance of student-athletes are somehow their business (let us start putting your children’s grades in the paper) so I don’t hold these people in very high regards but to think Calapari would of made Wolfpack fans happy is rewriting history a bit.

    I would hold Calipari in higher regard if any of his players ever graduated. We don’t need to be Harvard, but when you reach the point where no one on the team ever finishes a degree you’ve gone too far in the wrong direction.

  3. BillyVest 03/31/2008 at 2:28 PM #

    The jury is not still out on Sid. We have seen two years of sub-par (and this year, downright awful) basketball.

    His first year here he won 20 games, for what it’s worth. He showed some good ability to manage a game and notched the first win, in NCSU history against a Roy Williams coached team. Problem for us, and Sid, is he needs a solid PG to make his offense work. If we can get some solid PG play next year, we’ll be better.

    I think Wall should relax. Recruiting a kid can make or break a coach’s carier, which is just a fact of life in college basketball. Good recruiting is essential for a winning program. A coach, who cannot win recruiting battles, will not usually be around for long.

    If he does go to NCSU, he will be under a lot pressure, because he will be the first top notch point guard we’ve recruited in ages.

    Unfortunately for us, we don’t remember what it’s been like to have a team that started off the year under a lot of pressure to win, let alone an individual player. The other schools, in our neck of the woods, start off the year under tremendous pressure to win, with anything less than a trip to the Final Four being considered a bad year.

    We just don’t have the “infrastructure” to manage those expectations and how it would impact players.

  4. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 03/31/2008 at 2:46 PM #

    “I would hold Calipari in higher regard if any of his players ever graduated. We don’t need to be Harvard, but when you reach the point where no one on the team ever finishes a degree you’ve gone too far in the wrong direction.”

    Unfortunately this is really an either/or. There are a handful of universities in the country that can attract great athletes that also excel in the classroom but the vast majority of star basketball players are more athlete than student.

    I thought we tried the student-athlete route in the early 90’s and it ended 40 years of great NC State basketball tradition. Personally, because I could care less what kind of grades Javier Gonzales makes, I prefer the Valvano/Sloan years to the Robinson/Sendek years. But to each is own.

  5. Ismael 03/31/2008 at 3:11 PM #

    kyjelly, i don’t think its a matter of whether the kid is “stupid”, he’s clearly not. There are a few NCState blogs (posters on the blogs to be more exact and statefans included) who have tied their support of the team, their support of the coach etc. to whether or not John Wall is in the ’09 recruiting class.

    I agree that the N&O reporter probably baited him into it and asked him: “Hey, have you heard about Lowe’s job may directly impinge on you going to NCSU????” Wouldn’t surprise me a bit about those cocks.

    So i’m not mentioning because i’m in love with Lowe, i want him to get a fair shot if for no other reason it wouldn’t scare off potential replacements. You just never know who reads stuff and how it affects them and their decisions.

  6. Wulfpack 03/31/2008 at 4:02 PM #

    BillyVest,

    We were a bad basketball team last year, an awful one this year. Where did we finish in the ACC these past two years? Sid’s ACC record is approaching his NBA record, and that isn’t a good thing. The juryy, in my mind, is decided. He gets one more year to show what he is made of. If it is any way, shape or form close to what the past two seasons were, then the program will hit rock bottom.

  7. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 03/31/2008 at 4:11 PM #

    “The jury is not still out on Sid. We have seen two years of sub-par (and this year, downright awful) basketball.”

    Sid’s first year was subpar? ACC finals without one player that would even start for 75% of the other ACC schools and a 6 man roster is a subpar year? Picked up JJ Hickson after not even starting the coaching job until July 1st.

    This year was a disgrace but the team still has very little ACC talent (with almost no starter that would start for any other ACC school) due the person the current coach replaced.

  8. blackdom 03/31/2008 at 4:55 PM #

    Listen no kid is deciding his future school listening to non playing fools as yourselves ….He is from the area I assume he has a TV and has seen us play in person. Case Closed ! I would not be at all suprised that was a gopack deal as well in n&o .A 7 y/o knows that losing 9 in a row and last place is not a good thing.

  9. Wulfpack 03/31/2008 at 7:30 PM #

    “Sid’s first year was subpar?”

    Yes, if you consider records as part of the equation for judging success.

  10. Wulfpack 03/31/2008 at 7:50 PM #

    “This year was a disgrace but the team still has very little ACC talent”

    I disagree. We were picked third by most media. Why? Hickson will play in the NBA. Grant would start for a ton of ACC teams. Fells has talent, just can’t figure out how to do anything with it. Costner has talent. If you don’t think he does, then how do you explain his freshman season? Sid had a solid core to build on. But he has not built anything. He has not recruited a guard capable of doing anything productive on the floor. He has not taught, inspired, motivated, any of these guys how the game is supposed to be played. There is a dosconnect between the way we play the game and the way he played the game.

    I am sorry if you feel that is too harsh. But I have not see so much “talent” wasted in a long time. The same people that said last year “look at how marvelously Sid is coaching these guys”, to that wonderful 5-11 record, are now saying “well he wasn’t left with anything”. You can’t have it both ways. The truth is Sid finished in a tie for second to last last year and in a tie for last this year. It has been a damn long while since NC State was ever this bad. And that’s on Sid. It’s his mess to fix, or get out.

  11. redfred2 03/31/2008 at 8:48 PM #

    I’d feel better if they replaced Light Bulb Oblinger and Jed Fowler with Britney Spears and Lindsey Lohan, in that order. The similar hair thing would be the determining factor to give Britney the nod over Lohan, for Oblinger’s position. There has to be at least some continuity ya know.

  12. kyjelly 03/31/2008 at 9:11 PM #

    For once and for all look at last season and this season was last seasons sucess because of sids wonderful coaching? Or was it the return of askur who knew how to run the show on the floor?

  13. jmartineau 03/31/2008 at 10:34 PM #

    We can debate a lot of things, but there is ZERO excuse for the performance this season. I’ve heard about Grant and his overactive libido, but for a Coach this is totally unaccetpable.

    I have no clue whether he is a good coach, but I do know coming out of next year we cannot accept a repeat performance. If one of my employees screws the pooch for 2 straight years they are out of job.

  14. Ismael 04/01/2008 at 10:03 AM #

    blackdom…i don’t have the facts and figures in front of me, i think its even been chronicled way back on this very board though, that recruits in past years at various schools have admitted to making decisions based on things they read on msg boards.

  15. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 04/01/2008 at 1:40 PM #

    “Sid’s first year was subpar?”

    Yes, if you consider records as part of the equation for judging success.”

    How easily people forget that Herbert left NC State’s program in far worse shape than Les Robinson left it.

    He had his recruits commit to him an not NC State and when he finally decided to turn his back on a school that stood by him after 10 absolutely awful years he left the program with nothing but bad press.

    How this has become Sid’s fault is beyond me.

  16. Wulfpack 04/01/2008 at 3:31 PM #

    ^Wow. Well we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.

  17. redfred2 04/01/2008 at 9:08 PM #

    t-t-t, there have been many threads on here discussing who left the better players behind between both LR and ” “, and it is a very arguable debate, though most HSSS’ers fail to see that Les R was shackled for the majority of his tenure. But you have to be honest and admit that no matter what the problem was in this particular preceeding season, Coach Sidney Lowe did NOT get a handle on it and it was a absolutely pitiful showing from top to bottom.

    I’m still not going to put any burden of wins and losses on the team and coaches for next season, but there had better be a total turn around in attitudes and effort at the very start of the very first game, or my man, and my coach, Sidney Lowe, needs to just pack his things and quietly move on down the road.

  18. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 04/04/2008 at 10:58 AM #

    ^ Agreed about next year.

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