Charlotte Observer Hints Hickson Going Pro

Here’s the full article. Key excerpt:

“Coach is a great man,” Hickson said. “When I came to this program, it was more like he cared about J.J. as the person rather than J.J. the basketball player. I think he does have my best interests at heart. If me and my family feel like it’s comfortable and I should go to a team that needs me, then make the decision.”

Lowe, who coached 15 NBA seasons before coming to N.C. State, said he will wish Hickson well if he decides to leave.

Reading between the lines – Hickson is leaving, and Sid (with JJ’s help) is framing it in the best possible light, hoping to attract other high profile recruits with NBA dreams. FWIW, everything that SFN has heard is consistent with Hickson going pro. You should have no real hope, and certainly no expectation, of Hickson returning for his sophomore season.

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84 Responses to Charlotte Observer Hints Hickson Going Pro

  1. wufpup76 03/14/2008 at 4:25 PM #

    roandaddy,

    I love the school and team far more than I love individual players, but I TOTALLY get what you are saying … It is so much more fun to love the players you KNOW will be on your team and hate the players you know will be on other teams

    ***

    Noah or somebody can probably state this better than I can, but it’s my opinion that the NBA does things completely ass backwards and it has unfortunately altered things on the college landscape … The NBA rewards potential before production and values and markets individuals far more than it does teams and/or cities … All this in a team-based sport … I find that so stupid it’s funny …

    There’s simply no comparison when it comes to the popularity of the NFL vs. that of the NBA … The NFL has been and still is a finely tuned business … stars come and go, but fans still love their teams and the product as a whole

    Unfortunately w/ the NBA, it affects the college “amatuers” directly … As unseemly as college recruiting can be, people still love the product b/c at it’s core – team is valued greater than the individual … people love their respective schools and traditions, no matter who the individuals are playing

    I hate SportsCenter sooooo much now b/c they play right into the NBA way of thinking … if Kobe Bryant scores 64 pts., it will be the lead story on SportsCenter WHETHER HIS TEAM WINS THE GAME OR NOT … I hate that sooooo much … “LeBron scores 55 as the Cavs lose by 18 – Next on SportsCenter!!!” … They THINK that’s what I care about, so they shove it down my throat … thanks ESPN … stupid f*****s

  2. westwolf 03/14/2008 at 4:30 PM #

    The only thing worse than watching the NBA is watching Lowe implement an NBA approach to coaching NC State.

  3. redfred2 03/14/2008 at 4:44 PM #

    ^pup, It’s nothing but all about >>> ME <<>> $$$ <<< these days.

    Like people tell me, “Don’t be so naive, you can’t fight change.”

    Yep, just sit back, shut up, and watch as it swirls around and around a few times, and then all goes straight down the toilet.

  4. ldr of pk 75 03/14/2008 at 4:52 PM #

    wufpup76- good assessment. The Bobcats down this way struggle with Fan attendance. I just think the whole NBA product is wrong. wuf is right all the media and marketeers care about is if LaBron scores 55, the team be damned. And the whole NBA model is killing the college game as it was. Can’t blame the kids though. If someone is dangling millions to a kid from anything other than an upper class background, they are crazy not to take the mans money. My prior comments on JJ might have been a little off base when looking at statistics, but his presence surely was anything but all-star, and his effect on the team seemed negative. A team with the talent level we had this year doesn’t implode that badly with the addition of a JJ unless something internal is terribly wrong. I’ll still lay some blame for this on the coach. Sid has to learn to manage, he’s the boss not the kids.

  5. wolfman 03/14/2008 at 5:47 PM #

    It’s a shame that college basketball has been reduced to what it is now. No offense to JJ in particular, but I’ve been saying for quite some time that if these kids don’t finish a degree before they go running off to the NBA (or NFL or MLB), they should have to pay back whatever scholarship money was provided to them. Shouldn’t be hard with all the big bucks they earn in the NBA, right? In the very least, it might make some of the pretenders think twice before leaving early. It also might improve the NBA, which has become a joke over the last ten years or so because it has been watered down by mediocre talent.

  6. VaWolf82 03/14/2008 at 6:58 PM #

    Go ahead JJ, you’re not ready, and you will fade right into a whole host of nameless journeymen who go from here to there, searching for a home in the NBA.

    If this turns out to be JJ’s future, staying at State would not help change it.

  7. Afterglow 03/14/2008 at 7:06 PM #

    Perhaps it’s my rational side flexing its’ thoughts and if I were in JJ’s shoes maybe I too would be thinking more with my hearts desire and go for it but-I still feel like he’s coming back. I don’t see him getting picked high in a draft glut with power forwards that have a better resume than JJ’s and think it’s too risky to go for it if you’re projected as a late first rounder. I think he’ll flirt with the idea and leave us guessing until the April deadline but I don’t think he goes.

    At the same time, maybe I’m irrational because the reality is JJ’s, not mine.

  8. redfred2 03/14/2008 at 7:19 PM #

    Too bad some of us grew up very familiar with both UNC and NC State back many, many years ago. We watched as both programs rose and rose, then saw both of them reach the very top of the plateau at a fairly close period in time. Then watching one of the two start to plummet while being an unnecessary Boy Scout when there was absolutely no reason for anyone to do so. NC State was so busy trying to placate the entire universe when there was no one was asking them to, that they could not get of their own way. All the time the athletic programs were being run deeper and DEEPER into the ground while doing so.

    I hate unc with a passion, Duke can’t even register on the negative end that same scale, but I’ll be damned if unc doesn’t have the right people who work their asses off to perpetuate their good fortune. I hate ’em, but they are the flagship, and looking over at the lack of achievements by their similarly funded neighbor in Raleigh does nothing but make them look, and BECOME, better and better, year, after year, after year…

    What NC State has become sucks out loud for everyone. Hell, even the carolina fans themselves will tell you that. But if you’re a Wolfpack fan, and my age or older, it is an absolute, gut wretching, disgrace.

    I’ve been wasting my time waiting for a dinosaur to reappear, but it’s time realize that it just isn’t going to happen.

  9. redfred2 03/14/2008 at 8:07 PM #

    On ESPN, there’s my buddy Bobby Knight, in a green sweater?

    Uh oh, upon announcing his retirement Dave Odom was just labelled the lofty, and very much sought after title, of “a class act” by the ESPN panel. There’s another of those well respected, but only within the inner circle, classy kind of guys.

    Have a great retirement there Dave.

    Which BTW, the ESPN panel includes a guy named Robert Knight, who is wearing a ‘green’ sweater??? Something about that just doesn’t look quite right.

  10. werncstate 03/14/2008 at 8:18 PM #

    Off topic…sorry the Leinenkuger Honey Wheat brings out the worst in me….but after watching the dook GT game I have to give Greg Paulus some advice…dude check into a battered wife’s shelter, those black eyes tell me your boyfriend beats on you regularly.

  11. redfred2 03/14/2008 at 8:27 PM #

    ^”Off topic…”

    What’s that all about???

    Oh, sorry, I didn’t know there was a topic.

  12. turfpack 03/14/2008 at 8:44 PM #

    JJ is a good player,he should do whatever is best for him and his family.If he returns it will be a plus for next year-hope he does.The biggest problem n.c.state has is not the coaches we have it’s the(You guessed it!You win a prize-You are the Man!)Lee-(I know everything!)Foulupacoachingsearch the A.D. at N.C.State.I haved lived a personal HELL the last 12-15yrs-My wife is a UNX GRAD.And her family as well- I ran out of excuses years ago for our athletic programs. Basicly -I don’t think anyone really gives a shit in the athletic department any more-SHOW ME WERE I AM WRONG=I WILL SHUT UP!

  13. Primewolf 03/14/2008 at 9:44 PM #

    I think the Hickson experiment was a total bust,from the day Coach talked about how good he was before he ever played.

    He won’t play in the NBA next year, will be in development league. He will get eaten alive and has a lot to learn about D.

  14. blackdom 03/14/2008 at 9:55 PM #

    turfpack yes lee blows but it is still no excuse for the way this team played this year…….thats sid and his staffs job………….if you have zero talent and you call yourself a coach the one measuring stick is that no matter how bad you were ,you were improved by the end of the season (we did have some talent) unless lee and I say it again he blows,but unless he is running the practices and sending in plays(we know he ain’t doing that we had no plays) the fault with what happens on the court lies with sid,of course players are responsible as well ……but that is his product.

  15. Astral Rain 03/14/2008 at 10:28 PM #

    What about Julius Hodge? His stock dipped from Junior to Senior.

    If I was JJ, I’d declare, test the waters at the combine, then come back if you’re not guaranteed first round.

  16. Noah 03/14/2008 at 11:24 PM #

    NBA properties is where the big money is. They were clearing about $3 billion annually back in the early 90s. I’m sure they’re doing just as well today.

    Yes, I agree that the way the NBA does it’s draft is completely ridiculous. The system actually rewards players for NOT giving scouts a lengthy look at their game.

    You know, you can make an argument that a truly great college recruiter no longer grabs the best players that he can…but rather, he grabs the best flawed players that he can…guys like Hodge, Hansborough, and Paulus. All of them are good college players and all will be there for four years. That will do you much more good than getting OJ Mayo or Michael Beasley.

    I’d almost rather get Ryan Kelly than JJ Hickson. Kelly will be there for four years and you’ll never have to worry about grades, behavior, effort or chemistry with him. No, he won’t ever be as good as Hickson…but he’ll give you four good years as opposed to one spectacular year.

  17. Rochester 03/15/2008 at 7:14 AM #

    Noah, I’m totally with you on Ryan Kelly. Seems like the kind of kid who will get better and better over four years. I hope we land him.

  18. redfred2 03/15/2008 at 7:56 AM #

    Noah, what you’re saying is very true, but I say that also goes back to the former coach, and the debate about having to recruit elite players in order to compete for any sort of titles. I love to win games, ACC titles, and national championships, but I can also enjoy NC State basketball when I see kids developing and playing their asses off for the right reasons in a Wolfpack uniform.

    Last season we saw some somewhat marginal players elevate their games as the season progressed, and it was fun for all of us. This season was a disaster in comparison, but in all honesty alot of it had to do with overall talent at key positions. To me this season felt alot like thos of the prior decade of NCSU basketball, in which a group of lifeless players were paraded out onto the court and playing in a scheme that was doomed from the very gitgo.

    At unc and Duke I can see how players with NBA potential would want to come back because of what, and more importantly WHO, they’re playing for. It actually means something special to them. That no longer holds true for The Two Time National Champion Wolfpack of NC State University. All of the momentum and tradition that was built by the former greats at NCSU has been discarded and forgotten, it’s been so mismanaged that even our very own young Wolfpack fans can’t even connect with it anymore. I blame this on administration for…rolling over to the NCAA in the 90’s and punishing themselves more severely than was ever necessary…shunning Jim Valvano, and in the meantime loosing all rights to be connected to a legend that means even more today than did back then…hiring a young coach with promise, then idly watching and allowing him to steer this BB program so far away from it’s previous course that it has now unrecognizable to anyone who isn’t wearing an adult diaper…in the end leaving themselves no options but to hire a coach without any college coaching experience…and blah, blah, blah and so on, and so forth…here we are today…back at square one, all is lost and there is nothing left to draw upon.

  19. redfred2 03/15/2008 at 8:29 AM #

    ^Just to add to that…

    It’s kind of ironic, but up until just two years ago, if you were a HS kid with dreams of playing in the NBA, NC State was probably the last consideration on your list. Now though, it seems like the perfect quick stopping off point to spend a year of your young lifetime, without getting too attached or having any regrets about leaving, and it has it’s very own, built in, connection to that next level.

  20. jwrenn29 03/15/2008 at 8:43 AM #

    If I was him, and there was guaranteed money, I’d leave so that I could at least get paid to have this bad of a season on the team I play for.

  21. Wulfpack 03/15/2008 at 9:02 AM #

    “He won’t play in the NBA next year, will be in development league.”

    Yea, and that league is called the ACC, and the school he will be playing for is called NC State. It will be the JJ show. Watch me score 40 and lose by 20. It’ll be the same sorry show over and over again, just as we saw this year.

  22. Noah 03/15/2008 at 10:08 AM #

    I’ve said this before, so forgive me for repeating myself. But a drafting-system like MLB would do the NBA a lot of good. Let the players like Mayo and Beasley go pro right out of high school. But make the players who do go to college at least commit to a certain amount of time before they can bolt.

    You can argue whether that should be two years or three, but colleges are making a commitment to those guys and those guys would do well to make at least some sort of commitment to college.

  23. wolfonthehill 03/15/2008 at 10:59 AM #

    I find it amazing that there are quite a few folks who apparently are tired of having JJ around. I can simply find no logic in that line of thinking.

    He was our best player. Period.

    He was the only guy who still gave a crap IN THE ACC TOURNAMENT, for God’s sakes.

    Any damage to the egos of other players is the fault of those players and/or the coaching staff… but if you want to win championships, you simply have to get top-notch talent. Sure, it’s nice when you’re lucky enough to get such talent, and to have them stay for 3-4 years, but if you only get one or two, you damn well better make hay for those 1-2 years.

    And the thoughts of “we need more Corchiani’s and Monroe’s” are a bit silly to me. You mean we need more guys who leave school as the NCAA’s career assist leader or your school’s all-time leading scorer? Well, no $*&^, Sherlock. To get those guys, you have to have coaches who can identify that kind of talent, sign it, and develop it. We haven’t had that kind of coaching staff in 18 years, and we still don’t have it.

  24. haze 03/15/2008 at 11:12 AM #

    ^ Hear, hear.

    Let the NBA draft any HS or HS + 3yr kid they want. There is no submitting your name for the draft, there’s just a draft. If a kid likes his spot, go. If a kid doesn’t, don’t go. Get the NCAA out of the business of regulating draft participation and, at the same time, make the kids that do go to college into students that must meet academic requirements b/c they’re going to be there for a while.

    FWIW, it sounds like Stern wants a 20yr age limit (up from 19). Not perfect, but a step in the right direction.

  25. choppack1 03/15/2008 at 11:18 AM #

    Noah – colleges don’t have to make a commitment to them. Their scoly can be non-renewed at any time. Obviously, you want guys like Hansboro and Hodge back, you want Mayo and Beasley back, but – the schools don’t technically owe them a 4 year commitment.

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