Billy Packer – Patron Saint of Objectivity

It was the rarest of rarities (aside from Wolfpack championships) – a long profile in Sunday’s N&O that seemed tailor made for me. There are tons of great anecdotes (don’t miss the “shard grabbing” story) – read the whole thing. But the overriding theme reinforces what I like about Packer – his near slavish devotion to the pursuit of complete objectivity:

“What I’ve always loved is the competition of being able to go out there and say what I see and to be objective, but that in turn obviously annoys people, because 50 percent of them, that objectivity is not gonna be what they want to hear,” Packer says.

As bloggers, we here at SFN have heard that more than a time or two. And maybe it is specific to me – blogger, cynical NC State fan, engineering graduate – but I don’t want a stinking cheerleader or yes man analyzing the game. Just call it like you see it, and be fair. The truth is hard to take sometimes, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t hear it. And, when you do hear intelligent honesty you should be appreciative; like Jeff shared almost two years ago when he proclaimed that “Billy Packer kicks ass” for some comments highlighted in that link.

I can remember Packer’s call of NC State’s ACC Tournament loss to Miami just two weeks ago. Thousands of words have been typed and spoken in ponderance of the absolute suckdom of 2007-08 Wolfpack hoops, but Packer cut to the quick with a few tersely delivered observations. The body language on the court and bench was bad. Miami clearly wanted the win more than the Pack, despite needing it less. Although this is paraphrased, I’m putting it in quotes for emphasis:

The ball spends too much time in the hands of players that are no threat whatsoever. And then the other guys stand around watching the player with the ball. Pretty easy to defend against that.

Packer went on to note that, while “obviously you wouldn’t want to structure your program this way long-term” – perhaps the only way to get results out of the talent that State had would have been to run the offense through McCauley, a player “who really likes to pass and is good at it.”

Now tell me – who else had the insight and the stones to come out and say things like that this season? Nobody.

What other non-partisan would study and break down an irrelevant, flailing team like NC State at that level, in preparation for a Thursday afternoon preliminary round ACCT game? Again, nobody. Certainly not a guy who has enough juice to call the Final Four for as long as I can remember.

What other non-partisan would have the stones to proclaim this event as the worst call in NCAA Tournament history while in the heat of the moment? Finally, nobody.

And there are dumb asses who really want him off the air?

Now, I will get off my soapbox and close with a lighter anecdote – one that involves our beloved James T. Valvano. One that I had never heard before:

Contrary to his image of inflexibility, the natural contrarian allows that he’s had a few regrets. He can think of two occasions on which he favored one side, not that it was immediately obvious on the air, but in his own mind, where most Packer performances are ultimately judged.

The first came in 1975, when he worked his first championship game and John Wooden was coaching his last for UCLA. He felt himself pulling for Wooden.

The second came a dozen years later, when he was hoping that injury-depleted Wake Forest could cling to a late lead against a superior N.C. State team. The thought bothered him so much, he says, that several days after NCSU’s overtime victory he told Wolfpack coach Jim Valvano he had been rooting for Wake. Valvano’s response, according to Packer: “Don’t tell anybody at State, but so was I.”

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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66 Responses to Billy Packer – Patron Saint of Objectivity

  1. BoKnowsNCS71 03/25/2008 at 11:02 PM #

    Special thanks to those of you who honored our friends Gary and Wally. Yes I am 58 but that has nothing to do with my love for the Pack and the lovers of the Pack — past, present or future.

  2. wufpup76 03/25/2008 at 11:28 PM #

    “Wufpup, Gus Johnson that played for the Baltimore Bullets????”

    highstick – I think we have two separate Gus Johnson’s in mind … The ‘Gus’ that I am referring to is a relatively young (as announcers go) sportscaster who is best known for his play-by-play calls on CBS’ ncaa tournament games …

    This year, he was paired w/ Len Elmore for the first and second rounds … You may or may not be familiar w/ these games, but Gus is well known for having called the 1996 Princeton first round upset over defending champ UCLA (and that cheating bast*rd Jim Harrick) which happened to be Pete Carril’s last season at Princeton … Also, Gus was the play-by-play man on the 2005 Vermont upset of Syracuse after Syracuse had won the Big East Tournament … That game was played at the same location that year as our upset of UConn … In another oddity, that was Tom Brennan’s last season coaching Vermont

    Gus has a very entertaining style (to me) and does his dam*ed best to keep every game entertaining no matter what the score or circumstance … If it’s a blowout, he always tries to give the idea that the other team could rally at any moment – I really admire that

    Anyway, here is the Gus Johnson I am referring to’s Wiki page:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Johnson_(sportscaster)

    I believe you may be referring to this Gus Johnson:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Johnson_%28basketball%29

  3. WolfInVolCountry 03/26/2008 at 7:27 AM #

    In the early 80s when I was in grad school I had a conversation with Dr. William Tucker, now Proffesor Emeritus of Chemistry. He played ball with Packer at WF. I asked him what he thought about Packer, who at that time was calling ACC broadcasts. He said that he was the most trustworthy and honest guy he had ever known and respected him unreservedly. For those of you who might recall Dr. Tucker… that was high praise.

    He also thought that Lenny Wirtz (sp?) was the worst ref to ever call a game.

  4. tmb81 03/26/2008 at 7:37 AM #

    I can’t find anything online that officially confirms this, but I thought Mike Gottfried had a stroke.

  5. choppack1 03/26/2008 at 8:29 AM #

    Billy Packer did say that the Corchiani “travel” that wasn’t was one of the worst calls he’s ever seen.

    Did anyone notice that in the ACC tourney, they didn’t replay anything that might cause controversey?

  6. choppack1 03/26/2008 at 8:30 AM #

    Let me add – that was during the game only. As noted before, they played a lot of that Shawty video.

  7. wufpup76 03/26/2008 at 9:08 AM #

    highstick – here is the gus johnson i am referring to 🙂

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Johnson_(sportscaster)

  8. wufpup76 03/26/2008 at 9:30 AM #

    For those interested, here are a couple of links to my favorite Gus Johnson call ever … #4 seed and defending champ UCLA (with cheater Jim Harrick) versus #13 seed Princeton … 1996 – Pete Carril’s last season coaching Princeton … pure magic!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFYFhw7KHzQ&feature=related (part 1)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqxWCKxLec4&feature=related (part 2)

    There may be some better videos, but these contain the last few minutes of the ballgame and it was awesome (to me)!

  9. spanky 03/26/2008 at 9:42 AM #

    choppack^ I DEFINITLY noticed that any questionable call would not be showed or even discussed. I noticed this in the Davidson game when Hibbert should’ve picked up his 5th… about 3 different times… Not even a mention of a questionable call.

    If you ever watch a game where whatever team ESPN his currently hyping, they never show questionable calls that go their way. But if its the other way around they talk about how questionable their call was.

    Have you also noticed that ESPN has been reaming Pac-10 officials the past couple weeks but make absolutely ZERO mention of ACC officials… I don’t watch enough Pac-10 to know if they are indeed that bad, but I do know that ACC ref’s are absolutely HORRENDOUS.

  10. StateofthePack 03/26/2008 at 9:46 AM #

    Thanks tmb for the info. on Gottfried.

    Bob Rathbun and Marty Brennamen also ooze ACC basketball when you hear their voices on radio and tv. Rathbun covers the Atlanta market now and is the voice of the Hawks. He still does GT games from time to time. I can’t remember if Brennamen just did tournaments (Pepsi tournament of champions in Charlotte) or regular season play and if this was before or during his radio gig as the REDs play by play guy. I know he still does that.

  11. highstick 03/26/2008 at 12:06 PM #

    Wulfpup, thanks for the clarification. Different Gus! But, thanks for reminding me of the player, Gus. I’d forgotten his name and hadn’t taken the time to look it up.

  12. highstick 03/26/2008 at 12:07 PM #

    I can’t believe you guys are including “Woody” as one of the best all time announcers! LOL!

  13. packpowerfan 03/26/2008 at 6:17 PM #

    ^^If you mean when I mention Woody Durham, I definitely was NOT doing that. I was comparing Hahn, who explicitly calls for State, with Durham, who explicitly calls for UNX. In that comparison, Woody looked like a biased piece of crap, which he is…as he is a complete joke of an announcer

  14. highstick 03/26/2008 at 9:17 PM #

    I was joking! Actually, I meant to say “I can’t believe you guys AREN’T inlcluding Woody….” Very much “tongue in cheek”!

    Woody is such a joke!

  15. RAWFS 03/27/2008 at 7:09 AM #

    Texpack, welcome to the “Old Mans” club!

    At least Tex (like a bunch of us) can remember when NC State was a consistently good team.

  16. jmartineau 03/27/2008 at 8:09 AM #

    WOW! Hold the man love for Billy! I must admit that I have grown to appreciate Billy Packer, but that is in part due to my dislike of the overhyped crap that Dickie V spews. I will give him kudos for his willingness to say what he thinks and insight, but I heard too many stories (albeit second-hand) that he is not such a nice guy. Making good money, traveling the US watching hoops and offering your opinion should be considered a GOOD job, thus not making one want to act like a complete douchebag to other human beings.

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