Campout Fiasco (Updated)

‘Crisis’ averted. Friday morning update –

“After much consideration and work by student leaders, specifically Jay Dawkins, an agreement was reached with Dr. Tom Stafford. The agreement was reached that all 2,847 tickets will be allotted to Campout.”

The following was our original entry on the topic as of Thursday night:

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Tonight I received the following email from a friend who asked me to forward it to others..

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SO WHAT’S GOING ON?

N.C. State is about to break all records for Campout on Friday with well over 3,000+ campers, as reported in Technician on Thursday:

Jay Dawkins, Chairman of the Student Senate Campus Community Committee, worked with University Athletics to make sure every single person who camped out for the entire night Friday-Saturday would be guaranteed a ticket to the event…

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…but then shortly before 5:00pm on Thursday, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs Tom Stafford announced that the Campus Community Committee’s decision to make people *actually* camp out to get tickets was unfair to students who did not — and he ordered that all tickets be awarded by lottery, with a set amount of tickets for students who camped out and a set amount of tickets for students who don’t.

In an email response to his decision, Student Body President Bobby Mills supported this plan, saying “Dr. Stafford, I totally agree with you… I warned the committee about this decision [to make students camp out].”

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If your odds of getting a ticket for camping out are decided at random, and the odds of getting a ticket if you *don’t* camp out are decided at random, there’s essentially no incentive to camp out.

In other words, this was an intentional sabotage of the Campout tradition.

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At 3:00pm on Friday afternoon, students who are outraged by the Vice Chancellor’s and Student Body President’s decision to sabotage Campout will be gathering out front of Holladay Hall for a rally to demand that the tickets get restored so that every single ticket to the UNC basketball game goes to students who actually camp out at Campout!

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So, I fired off the following with my forward but had problems with my email server and decided to post it here on SFN. SInce I didn’t get it out to the masses, perhaps you can just send your friends in and around Raleigh this link. My comments were as follows:

I know that you think that you are too old for this stuff…and I know that you initially will disregard my forwarded email as really insignificant stuff…

…but, I am forwarding you this quick email to call your attention to the continued crackdown on the student experience at our alma mater. Do yourself a favor and peruse the forwarded email and the link to the Technician article to give yourself an education at just how #($#&-up the “Fun Police” have become at NC State.

You may or may not know that campouts on campus for tickets have been extinct for years. So, it was particularly encouraging to learn that the student body recognized the value of the experience and the obvious tenent that one who actually has to sacrifice for something will value the ticket significantly more than someone who makes no investment and receives something at random. (Have you been wondered why the student section doesn’t compare with when you were in school?) Of course, in the screwed up wisdom of college campuses in 2008’s America, it is considered “fair” to give things to people who don’t want to prioritize, invest, sacrifice or work for them over the people who are willing to earn the right. If only my professors would have been so “fair”.

NC State continues its rapid DE-evolution into a commuter school with very little social experience or campus life as evidenced by the continued destruction of the traditions that have historically bound generations of alumni from different time periods. We’ve already been guilty of absence as Tom Stafford has almost single-handedly destroyed NC State’s greek system which now sits at about half of the population as it did 15 years ago. And, don’t forget about the tailgating restrictions that Stafford (and crew) swept over alll alums a couple of years ago. Many wonder if Stafford and his institutionalized “fun and fair police” will stop until no student wants to live on campus and until no beer is consumed in any private or public establishment in West Raleigh.

Perhaps it is time for the key constituency of young, successful alumni and donors to start to making our voices heard for the ‘leaders’ that don’t grasp the long term value of providing a wonderful collegiate experience to students while they are on campus?

If you live in Raleigh and have a few minutes before the weekend arrives on a random Friday afternoon tomorrow, you may want to consider stopping by this event at 3pm tomorrow. Seriously…what would it hurt to invest a few minutes into something that I think/hope means something to you? The more bodies present…even if they are just milling around…will carry a big impact. (If you REALLY want to make them mad then show up drinking beer and wearing greek letters!)

I have included friends who don’t live in Raleigh on this email to encourage you to consider forwarding this to some of your friends who may be in the Triangle.

Thank you for your time.

Post-Script:
For a little more reference I am adding a couple of old blog entries that include some great comments from readers that are relevant to this that some of you may enjoy.

2/1/06 – Campout draws a small crowd

1/30/07 – Technician to Stafford: Improve or Retire

11/16/06 – Thank you, Clemson

2/21/07 – ‘Raleigh Time’

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94 Responses to Campout Fiasco (Updated)

  1. JimValvano 02/08/2008 at 4:49 PM #

    I’m glad to hear that the N.C. State “Click it and Ticket” program has been dissolved…at least for this game.

    A decision should have been reached and handed down far in advance, so that there wasn’t such confusion. I think it is fair to say that the students who camped out would be far more passionate about the situation than a student that had applied on-line. I think it would have created an unnecessary tension on campus and could have lead to a revolt of some sort.

    I also think it reflects positively on the university athletics for recruits

  2. choppack1 02/08/2008 at 4:50 PM #

    RedTerror – I don’t know who would want to be like UMd. The commuter school experience seems like it would be not much different than going to Community College or one of the smaller UNC Hyphens. Nothing is wrong w/ that – but I think making the campus and surrounding area a seperate entity helps enhance the collegiate experience.

  3. CarnifeX 02/08/2008 at 5:05 PM #

    I’m not so sure that Raleigh wants to lend NCSU any more space to help “enhance the collegiate experience”.

    Hell, I’m not even sure Raleigh wants NCSU a part of the city; look how terribly they’re dragging their feet on the Hillsboro St revitalization. They have money sitting in an account now for over 10 years and still nothing doing. NCSU is low on Raleigh priority list. Its a travesty, a sham and a mockery….a traveshamockery.

  4. wirogers 02/08/2008 at 6:29 PM #

    Having grown up near U of MD and having all my friends go there, they did not have any campus life. My freshman and sophomore years they would come down and visit to attend the early noted central campus craze or west campus jam. They were so jealous of our campus life.

    I remember all the times camping continuously for b-ball tickets, met some of my best friends during that experience. I actually remember an AD and coaches bring pizza to the campers. As an engineer there were many applications of the theories that we were learning in classes to survive the cold weather.

    As for the Greek system, knew many in it; however, having working in the intramural department, they were a royal pain in the ass.

    I agree, campus life has went to sh** and needs to be returned to this great university. We as alumni should help the students like Jay Dawkins do what is needed to assist them in this endeavor.

  5. redfred2 02/08/2008 at 6:44 PM #

    NCSU’s administration and the City of Raleigh’s planning department, they’re all gay, but just like ^chop said earlier, “nothing is wrong w/ that” or anything…

    I agree with the comments above about NCSU becoming The Commuter University of North Carolina. It doesn’t make any more sense than anything else they do up there in Raleigh, I mean, they’ve spent tons of money and built new facilities for end products that they do not know how to promote and have de-emphasized for decades anyway. It’s all just a sad, sad, joke.

  6. Primewolf 02/08/2008 at 8:28 PM #

    It is hard to imagine one who has done more damge to NCSU than Stafford.

    OBlinger is just too soft to roll some heads in his admin. I guess that comes with being a food science major.

    Man, would I love to be on the BOT and work to reinvent my school.

    And Lennie at the Alum Assoc can’t seem to figure out why we have such a low percentage of alumni that join the AA.

  7. Primewolf 02/08/2008 at 8:28 PM #

    It is hard to imagine one who has done more damge to NCSU than Stafford.

    OBlinger is just too soft to roll some heads in his admin. I guess that comes with being a food science major.

    Man, would I love to be on the BOT and work to reinvent my school.

    And Lennie at the Alum Assoc can’t seem to figure out why we have such a low percentage of alumni that join the AA.

  8. highstick 02/08/2008 at 9:23 PM #

    Primewolf, that deserved to be repeated three times! If we could only get someone to listen!

    It’s just hard for me to get a grasp of State being a commuter school. How times have changed!

  9. wufpup76 02/09/2008 at 10:21 AM #

    “I’m just playing hard and trying to win,” he said. “If they don’t like it, that’s their problem.”

    ok, I am officially in complete LOVE w/ Javi Gonzalez now …

    http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/ncsu/story/933885.html

  10. Rochester 02/09/2008 at 11:24 AM #

    Wufpup, that was a great quote. Here’s another good story, from the Marion Chronicle-Tribune on Scott Wood, our newest recruit:

    http://www.chronicle-tribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080209/SPORTS/802090335/1006

    Sounds like the kid can nail the 3 ball almost automatically. This is what we need to break up some zone defenses.

  11. PacknSack 02/09/2008 at 12:36 PM #

    Since there is no gameday thread, I thought this was as good a place as any to post this, which I found in Andrew Jones ACC notebook at the Star-News:

    “We have a great opportunity to keep this going,” swing man Courtney Fells said. “We have a big game up next at Maryland, and we’re confident we can win the rest of our games.”

    http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080209/NEWS/802090345/1005/NEWS

    The rest of our games? Why can’t these guys keep their mouths shut about stuff like this? To me, this ranks up there with “I don’t see us losing more than four games.”

    Just play well for two halves. Please.

  12. wufpup76 02/09/2008 at 1:03 PM #

    i saw that about wood, rochester – that’s great

    we’ll really need a solid deep theat, especially when courtney leaves (actually we could use one now, maybe brandon can come around 🙂 )

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    true, they don’t need to be overconfident, packnsack … but i don’t mind that quoute too much from courtney … i see that more as optimistic confidence (which is always good) rather than blind mouth-running (which is always bad)

  13. Rochester 02/09/2008 at 1:11 PM #

    I’d rather know they have some confidence in themselves, considering how they looked a few weeks ago. I don’t read that as him saying they’re going 8-0 in the second half, more like they have confidence they can win any particular game.

  14. PacknSack 02/09/2008 at 1:37 PM #

    I guess my concern is it seems like any time someone has said something like this, it has bitten the team on the butt. Statements of confidence have been followed by uninspired play. The stretches of quality play are longer and better now, but they are still coupled with slumps. I would rather win the next 8, then in retrospect hear “We knew we could do it … ”

    On another note, any word on if Costner will suit up tonight?

  15. wufpup76 02/09/2008 at 3:26 PM #

    ^haven’t heard packnsack … hopefully he can go tonight as we’ll need someone additional to match up w/ gist …

  16. doug74 02/09/2008 at 5:35 PM #

    I camped in the early 70’s. It was a much more permissive time, the powers that be being more liberal. It was the conservatives among us who had a problem with the alcohol, drugs, free speech, and our general disregard for authority. What I find curious now is how the same sentiments are being claimed by the conservatives as theirs. They were the politically correct ones.

  17. blpack 02/10/2008 at 12:25 AM #

    I loved camping out when I was in school in the late 80s and early 90s. Wolfstock was awesome in 1990. Primewolf has my vote for the BOT. When is the university throwing a retirement party for Stafford?

  18. caniac45 02/11/2008 at 12:15 PM #

    so i heard that they’re only giving out 1500 tickets to camp out students now? anyone know anything about this because i dont see any tickets in my locker like they said they would be, and i def. camped out. :-/

  19. RAWFS 02/11/2008 at 4:05 PM #

    I’ve said for years that NC State’s worst enemy is NC State. The people that run the school do more to hurt it than 100 News and Observers and UNCs put together. And then some.

    I hate it for current students and for the basketball team that the most rabid and diehard fans are not the ones who get to be in the prime spots for the important games.

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