Sears Cup Standings (as of January 10, 2008)

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Here’s the grim reality. Res ipsa loquitor – the thing speaks for itself. One footnote – Georgia Tech and Miami just replaced their athletic directors.

6. Wake Forest
12. Florida State
14. Virginia
20. Duke
22. UNC
32. Boston College
33(T). Clemson
33(T). Virginia Tech
36. Maryland
89. NC State
118. Georgia Tech
118(T). Miami

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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72 Responses to Sears Cup Standings (as of January 10, 2008)

  1. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 02/29/2008 at 11:32 AM #

    “As for basketball, we got suckered — bullied, rather — into building an arena to get a hockey team that is about 5,000 over the capacity we could ever consistently fill for basketball. We were better off with a facility in tune with what Maryland and Virginia built rather than the RBC.”

    Level 3 should be closed and curtained for most basketball games. It should be opened for the bigger games on a single game ticket or included in mini-packs.

  2. McPete 02/29/2008 at 11:33 AM #

    “Georgia Tech and Miami just replaced their athletic directors”

    So did Florida State, correct?

    “12. Florida State”

    Wonder if he wants a job?

  3. BillyVest 02/29/2008 at 11:43 AM #

    How is this?

    There facilities are better than ours. Only way to explain it. Facilities = success.

  4. Dr. BadgerPack 02/29/2008 at 11:56 AM #

    We should replace Fowler with a lock of T-Ferg’s hair.

  5. Trout 02/29/2008 at 11:59 AM #

    FSU’s AD was Dave Hart. He came to FSU from ECU.

  6. RAWFS 02/29/2008 at 12:05 PM #

    Dare I say it, but do you guys that that Chuck Amato would be a good athletic director?

  7. SMD 02/29/2008 at 12:11 PM #

    Whitefang’s post brings up an interesting point about quality vs. quantity of donors as it relates to potential “leverage” in a fanbase.

    While Bobby Purcell and the WPC deserve major kudos for getting us to 20k donors, there’s an unintended side effect that as donors our “power” is now diluted. A school like UVA has less donors who give more money and those people, as evidenced by Whitefang’s anecdote, are the ones who get more personal service and their opinion probably matters more.

    This is NOT a knock on the WPC. They truly do treat the $100 donor the same as the $100k donor.

    But short of some massive grassroots action and uprising, change in the athletic department at State is still concentrated in just a few hands. Judging by the results we see on the field in all sports, many of those hands aren’t demanding excellence.

    We’ve built a system where 20k people are paying for crap, but few have the guts to take the action that would force change. And that certainly includes myself. I am super-pissed about the state of athletics at State, but I am not about to lose my WPC priority. That’s just the way it is.

    Put another way, Jed must have some people fooled. 😉

  8. LRM 02/29/2008 at 12:20 PM #

    RAWFS,
    Yes. I think Chuck was born to be an AD, and I think he would have been an incredible one here, in fact.

  9. Trout 02/29/2008 at 12:23 PM #

    “Yes. I think Chuck was born to be an AD, and I think he would have been an incredible one here, in fact.”

    That’s sarcasmr, right?

    Amato, managing other coaches, are you serious?

    BJD: I agree with Trout. Amato also had horrible relationships (he was offensive by any reasonable standard – to people who expect more than just “reasonable”). Charlie Cobb is who we want at AD.

  10. 66pack 02/29/2008 at 12:28 PM #

    850 the buzz was discussing ncs athletics this am.recommendation–join cusa for we can’t compete with the unc’s and duke’s for we have really destroyed the program over the last 20 years.also stated head coach at state may be the least desirable in div1.

    BJD: That is absolute nonsense.

  11. Trout 02/29/2008 at 12:31 PM #

    Lee was hired on Sept 5, 2000. So at the end of this school year, he will have been with NC State for 8 full athletic seasons.

    Here is how we have done in the Director’s Cup, compared with other ACC schools, over that timeframe:

    2001:
    15 UNC
    16 Duke
    30 UVa
    33 Wake
    34 Clemson
    35 FSU
    40 MD
    56 NC State
    61 GT

    2002:
    4 UNC
    26 Clemson
    27 UVa
    30 Duke
    39 FSU
    42 Wake
    44 MD
    46 NC State
    50 GT

    2003:
    8 UNC
    19 UVa
    21 Duke
    22 MD
    32 Wake
    38 FSU
    43 NC State
    48 Clemson
    53 GT

    2004:
    7 UNC
    18 Duke
    22 FSU
    24 MD
    30 UVa
    31 GT
    39 NC State
    42 Clemson
    43 Wake

    2005:
    5 Duke
    9 UNC
    13 UVA
    28 MD
    30 FSU
    31 GT
    37 Wake
    49 Miami
    51 NC State
    52 Clemson
    58 VT

    2006:
    4 UNC
    8 Duke
    17 FSU
    26 UVA
    27 MD
    34 NC State
    39 Clemson
    42 Miami
    44 Wake
    45 VT
    50 GT
    51 BC

    2007:
    3 UNC
    11 Duke
    13 UVa
    15 FSU
    23 Wake
    36 Clemson
    40 MD
    44 NC State
    46 GT
    48 VT
    58 BC
    59 Miami

  12. LRM 02/29/2008 at 12:38 PM #

    Everytime I think of how bad it is here, I always console myself with the fact that at least we ain’t Clemson.

  13. whitefang 02/29/2008 at 12:42 PM #

    I understand the dilemma of withholding funds for athletics. It seems counterproductive. It looks like Purcell has done a great job too on his end.
    Personally my approach has been when called for academic money is to express my displeasure then with the state of the athletic programs. I even mention people by name (I have even said, “call me back when you get rid of that idiot Fowler”). Of course they try to remind me that the money is for the school of engineering not athletics. This may piss some of you off, but I am at the point in my life (over 30 years after graduating in engineering) that I really don’t give a rat’s ass about the engineering school and I tell them that. As an alumnus I get fired up about giving money to my school for sports (Yeah I know I am a sorry SOB, but that is the way it is) I have even gone so far in years past to ask the caller to promise me we’ll beat UNC at SOMETHING. Of course the student on the phone did and I did donate at the time.
    But no more. I actually take pleasure in turning them down and politely telling them why. Because at the end of the day, Oblinger and the BOT are the ones that can make a change. I foolishly hold out hope that if this happens enough they understand that there are probably a lot more SOB’s like me who give to academics based on the pride they have in the athletic teams.

  14. LRM 02/29/2008 at 12:57 PM #

    Unless a mass coup could be organized, individual efforts are pointless, and in fact counter-productive. Here’s an example:

    When we graduated from college six years ago, six of us very eagerly and excitedly got 12 LTRs together. $1,500 for each LTR, $300 State-level WPC dues and at the time, $400 for a pair of season tickets. Three of those have since given up their six LTRs, each for their own, entirely plausible reasons. Including LTRs, WPC dues, and season tickets, I pay around $1,200 per year right now for the “right” to attend seven home games (actually, five or six until people stop getting married).

    So, the WPC actually benefits from the original LTR holders giving up their rights, because they easily turn around and re-sell those same seats for the increased price — is it up to $2,500 each now (as prices went up, we were grandfathered in, of course)?

    Basically, it turned out that all my buddies did was pay three times the amount for a few years of season tickets.

    Like I said, brilliant business initiative on the part of our administration.

  15. NeverGiveUp 02/29/2008 at 1:00 PM #

    Bill Cowher for AD!

  16. old13 02/29/2008 at 1:04 PM #

    “Dare I say it, but do you guys that that Chuck Amato would be a good athletic director?”

    From purely a management perspective, I think no. He clearly demonstrated that he could not handle the “people factors” as head football coach, which would be much more necessary as AD. I love his enthusiasm. But I’m afraid that his ego would get in the way of good decision-making.

  17. old13 02/29/2008 at 1:09 PM #

    BTW Whitefang, I’m 40 years out of the engineering school and feel the same as you. Getting this adminstration to do anything good in athletics is like pushing up a rope!

  18. Noah 02/29/2008 at 1:09 PM #

    “Dare I say it, but do you guys that that Chuck Amato would be a good athletic director?”

    Good lord, no. The name you are looking for is Charlie Cobb.

  19. RAWFS 02/29/2008 at 1:21 PM #

    The name you are looking for is Charlie Cobb.

    That’s actually a better one. But could Charlie succeed here with the current administration in place?

    For all we known they’d put Nora Finch in the big chair.

  20. WolfmanDave 02/29/2008 at 1:22 PM #

    How about Bobby Purcell?

  21. Noah 02/29/2008 at 1:26 PM #

    “But could Charlie succeed here with the current administration in place?”

    Of course. Oblinger is not a hindrance. He just isn’t being proactive when dealing with the current turd.

  22. old13 02/29/2008 at 1:45 PM #

    Cobb would be OK by me.

  23. wolfonthehill 02/29/2008 at 2:02 PM #

    So our RPI is better than our Sears Cup ranking?

    Meaning that our bball program is actually STRONGER than our average athletics program?

    Jeebus…

  24. Tar Heel Fan 02/29/2008 at 2:16 PM #

    You need someone who knows how to run a multi-million dollar business which is what college athletics is now. Contrary to the whining UNC fans do about Dick Baddour, he is very good at running the business side of the athletic department just as long as he never, ever has sole control over a football or basketball coaching hire again.

  25. SMD 02/29/2008 at 2:55 PM #

    I was in school with Charlie and agree that he would be a great choice. He’s a natural fit for the job.

    In theory, there is probably some question over whether he would take it or not. Why? Because my impression has always been that the non-athletic side of our administration, including the BofT, Chancellor, etc, don’t have a true commitment to having a winning athletic program. Otherwise, why keep Jed around when his track record is abysmal?

    Factors like that may keep a Charlie Cobb away one day.

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