Sears Cup Standings (as of January 10, 2008)

Here’s the grim reality. Res ipsa loquitor – the thing speaks for itself. One footnote – Georgia Tech and Miami just replaced their athletic directors.

6. Wake Forest
12. Florida State
14. Virginia
20. Duke
22. UNC
32. Boston College
33(T). Clemson
33(T). Virginia Tech
36. Maryland
89. NC State
118. Georgia Tech
118(T). Miami

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72 Responses to Sears Cup Standings (as of January 10, 2008)

  1. CStanley 02/29/2008 at 7:47 AM #

    Wow. Very sobering.

    And inexcusable.

    Nice job Lee.

  2. BoKnowsNCS71 02/29/2008 at 8:05 AM #

    89th? Someone is being generous.

  3. graywolf 02/29/2008 at 8:08 AM #

    Better than I thought.

  4. Rochester 02/29/2008 at 8:12 AM #

    Maybe if we drop down to compete in the Food Lion Cup we’ll rise higher in the standings.

  5. PackerInRussia 02/29/2008 at 8:24 AM #

    As I’ve said time and time again, until our facilities reach the level of ultra-supreme-space-age superiority, we cannot hope to compete with the Wake Forests of the world.

  6. RAWFS 02/29/2008 at 8:35 AM #

    Uncle Jed

  7. packbackr04 02/29/2008 at 9:00 AM #

    nice RAWFS^

    that is just sad! Lee should be shown the door.

  8. WendellPackster 02/29/2008 at 9:03 AM #

    Lee Fowler IS THE PROBLEM!!!! Get a good AD and a lot will change! Lee, I wish you read these boards and would get a clue and move the fuck on. Nobody likes you, you suck, hit the road you alcoholic hillbilly lookin’ jerk.

  9. Grumpy Llama 02/29/2008 at 9:06 AM #

    I just tried fireleefowler.com. Shockingly, it’s not there yet. But if I weren’t so cheap and lazy…

  10. grouchomarx 02/29/2008 at 9:08 AM #

    This year I reduced my WPC pledge by over 50% from last year. This after 20+ years of steadily increased giving. I cannot continue to fund university-wide failure in athletics. Program success is obviously not a priority anymore. It appears the only metric is positive cash flow. Jed can get his money from others, he won’t be getting nearly as much from me.

  11. choppack1 02/29/2008 at 9:16 AM #

    Like PackinRussia said, we cannot expect to compete w/ the Wake Forest’s of the world until we get better facilities. Their success has nothing to do w/ their AD.

    BJD: Nice use of snarky sarcasm, my good man!

  12. Rick 02/29/2008 at 9:22 AM #

    I wanted to see the trend

    Ranking from most recent to oldest 89,44,34,51,39,43

    That is an average of 50 with a trend of getting worse.

    Now someone explain why that uselss bag of flesh known as our athletic director is still around?

  13. LRM 02/29/2008 at 9:24 AM #

    The current situation is precisely the reason LTRs were such a brilliant idea by the athletics administration: it prevents any possibility of an organized, overwhelming coup.

    People — like myself — who have invested so very much of their disposable income into LTRs for six or seven years are unwilling — or in my case, since I can only afford the minimum support levels, unable — to sacrifice LTRs and season tickets to force any kind of positive change around here.

    We genuinely love our school but our greatest strength has proven our greatest weakness: we’re intensely loyal, to a fault.

  14. Noah 02/29/2008 at 9:35 AM #

    (in my best Mo the Bartender voice) Good….GOD!

  15. beowolf 02/29/2008 at 9:47 AM #

    PackerInRussia said:

    As I’ve said time and time again, until our facilities reach the level of ultra-supreme-space-age superiority, we cannot hope to compete with the Wake Forests of the world.

  16. Rick 02/29/2008 at 9:57 AM #

    LTRs or LF
    Which is worse for NCSU?

  17. old13 02/29/2008 at 10:01 AM #

    ‘ . . . Georgia Tech and Miami just replaced their athletic directors.”

    We should be so lucky! It just infuriates me how the chancellor, BOT and “influential” alumni can see all the millions of dollars in pledges and contributions coming from alumni and fans, and know that the WPC has one of the largest memberships in the country for an organization of its type, and still not support Wolfpack athletics to the hilt. Seems to me that there is a fiduciary breach on their part!

  18. RAWFS 02/29/2008 at 10:19 AM #

    I can only afford the minimum support levels, unable — to sacrifice LTRs and season tickets to force any kind of positive change around here

    You bring up a very interesting point: what are the finances of the AD and the WPC going to look like after the majority of LTRs are paid off in four or five years. I realize that the LTRs are ostensibly for retirement of capital debt, but I bet when the LTR funds begin to dry up that something new and equally expensive will come along.

  19. LRM 02/29/2008 at 10:34 AM #

    RAWFS,
    This has always been a concern of mine as well, from Day One. At present situation, demand for football season tickets doesn’t warrant further expansion — contrary to the perception, we’re seldom at capacity in C-F — meaning there will be declining growth in LTR revenue as LTRs max out. I’ve always believed — feared — that the only way to increase revenues once the majority of LTRs are laregly paid-off over the next five years, will be to raise season ticket prices and sharply increase WPC dues every year.

    As for basketball, we got suckered — bullied, rather — into building an arena to get a hockey team that is about 5,000 over the capacity we could ever consistently fill for basketball. We were better off with a facility in tune with what Maryland and Virginia built rather than the RBC.

    For 15 years we’ve been told that the only way to win is to open our wallets so we could build, build, build. We’ve done that, yet all we’ve done for 15 years is lose, lose, lose.

  20. packbackr04 02/29/2008 at 10:35 AM #

    NCSU has to be the worst athletics dept in the country. We are like #5 in Moneys given to the university, thanks to bobby purcell. And the 5 in front of and behind us are all perennial top 25 powerhouses and we are mired in the 80’s!!! you have got to be kidding me.

  21. DRW 02/29/2008 at 10:43 AM #

    LRM: Amen, brother!

  22. ruffles31 02/29/2008 at 11:01 AM #

    You guys are missing the point. It is not about wins and losses, or where we finish in the Sears Cup. It is about nice, new shiny facilities that will attract student-athletes.

  23. boonami 02/29/2008 at 11:02 AM #

    packbackr04… seriously, folks at the school are stuck in the Jimmy V 80’s years.. time to move on and up, but it ain’t gonna happen with Jed in control.

  24. whitefang 02/29/2008 at 11:19 AM #

    Truely inexcusable IMO. Here is my perspective as a State alum and a former ftball season ticket holder. I did not drop my tickets and support because of this (but I might now) but because my 2 oldest kids (although former State fans) both chose to attend UVa (smarthy bastards I think they were once called here).
    I joined the UVa Athletics Foundation to get football tickets and a tailgate parking pass so I could have a chance to at least see my sons a couple of times a year at a tailgate (you parents of college age kids know what I mean). Before my kids went there I really knew little about UVa other than beating them during our 83 run when they were a top seed. OK here’s what doesn’t make sense to me:
    1. I pay $1,250 per year to their foundation. This puts me up there far enough where I get 40 yard line seats and a parking pass. (Will you LTR guys compare that to State?)
    2. They have a nice stadium, but nowhere near as impressive as ours. In fact their facilities as a whole seem much less than ours to me.
    3. They have half the students we have.
    4. It is one of the hardest public universities to get admitted to. Of course they have to have athletes, but still?
    5. When I gave them the first yearly $1,250 (which I thought was a pretty minor amount – especially compared to their damn tuition) I got a personal call from an associate director. He even invited me to come by the next time I was up there to pick my seats. I thought “yeah right”, but my wife and stopped in on a lark. He came out and took us in his office, talked to us for 30 min, gave me his personal phone number, let me pick my seats, and then called me later and offered me better seats that had come open. (like me he is a State grad BTW).

    They seem so much more casual about athletics than we do, but still overall they are kicking our ass in most sports. (Hell they haven’t got a sports blog even in SFN’s league)
    How is this?

  25. boonami 02/29/2008 at 11:29 AM #

    great post whitefang and this also goes to Wake Forest. if small Wake Forest can win like they have with a smaller Alum base that we have, it’s inexcusable that we can’t be competitive.

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