Moving Forward in 2008 Hoops

Ever since I decided to write off the 2007-08 season as a learning experience for Sid and staff, things have continued in their perilous course. Clemson and UNC each went on huge scoring runs to finish off the Pack at home, leaving us at 4-8 and on the outside of the NIT bubble. I don’t feel any worse about the status of the program because it’s exactly what I expected – otherwise, I never would have published the “writing off” post.

So, where do we go from here? It’s certainly possible that NC State loses out and ends its season on ACCT Thursday (with a losing record overall). It’s probably equally likely that the Pack ekes out 2 more wins, and maybe gets to ACCT Friday, setting up a certain NIT invite. Although the former sounds awful (and the thought of enduring such a stretch makes me cringe), there could be a silver lining.

A “disaster season” would make certain that no staff member or player takes any shred of validation or ego into the offseason. It will be absolutely clear that their attitude, offseason conditioning, and overall approach need a serious overhaul. No consecutive post-season bids to hang one’s hat on. No sliver of respectability. No hiding from the cold, hard truth. No delusions about being “that close” or “we were just unlucky.”

One needs only to look back to the disaster that was his 5th season. Although most of us hated the Princeton system, at least it was unavoidable that something major had to change – and it did. NOTE: This is not free license to turn this into a Sendek thread – just illustrating how disaster can be the impetus for change.

We have to accept that this team is not going to come together. 2 more weeks of practice won’t help much. The awful chemistry apparent through the entire season won’t be fixed at this late date. Players won’t magically get into shape, either physically or mentally. Yes, I’d like to watch another NIT run – I’m a junkie, and I want to see more (and better) Pack hoops. But I don’t think it would do anything positive for the program.

Please don’t create strawman arguments – this is a way to find a silver lining only. I don’t want NC State to lose out. I certainly hate the thought of Gavin Grant’s season ending like that. I will watch every game, and I will cheer for unexpected victories. if we get an NIT bid, we certainly should accept it.

Just some food for thought as the week comes to a close.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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89 Responses to Moving Forward in 2008 Hoops

  1. Fletch 02/22/2008 at 3:20 PM #

    I hate to be a pessimist but can next year be any better? Still no star PG, will Degand be ready? Does JJ go pro? Does Costner? (Don’t laugh- I’ve heard he’s considering it).

  2. Dr. BadgerPack 02/22/2008 at 3:20 PM #

    Good points.

    Related question (especially if losses mount)– is this the year they begin playing the 3rd postseason tournament?

  3. RickJ 02/22/2008 at 3:25 PM #

    Dr. BP –

    The 16 team College Basketball Invitational starts this year.

  4. RBCRowdy 02/22/2008 at 3:26 PM #

    Yes it is, the CBI Classic

    http://www.gazellegroup.com/cbi/index_main.htm

    Never expected it to be an option 3 months ago, not even sure what to think about it.

  5. packgrad93 02/22/2008 at 3:32 PM #

    I think the NIT would be great experience for the team. Everyone except Grant & possibly JJ will be back. They all need as much experience as possible. Speaking of next season, what’s the possibility of Fells sliding to the 3 spot, Farnold playing the 2 & Javi the point? Out other options are Thomas,Horner or CJ Williams starting at the 3. I like all 3 players, but each have issues weather it’s coming off an injury, quickness, or being a true frosh.

  6. nycfan 02/22/2008 at 3:33 PM #

    At the top of the list, State should consider finding a new strength & conditioning coach or at least demanding a new S&C regime.

  7. 44legend 02/22/2008 at 3:33 PM #

    Wonder if we could meet the old herbivore in the NIT? That’d be something more for the N&O to beat us up with.

  8. RAWFS 02/22/2008 at 3:38 PM #

    ^ I would hope we say no to an invitation if it comes to that.

    How to make the most of the end of the season?

    1. Get Tracy Smith on the floor as much as is practical for meaningful minutes in order to identify what he needs to work on over the summer. In other words, accelerate his learning curve because he’s going to need to be a key player next year. I like a lot of what I see from him so far, but he needs to refine his skills. By getting gamespeed competition now and working on his fundamentals over the offseason, he could well become a major threat.

    2. Tell certain players that they are playing for their scholarships. You all know who they are, the comments area of this board is full of the names. Put up or pack up. No more chit-chats, no more gentle reminders. Earn the uniform or turn it back in.

    3. Tell Javi G to continue to develop his offense and to keep working hard on defense. Let’s keep in mind that he was supposed to be an understudy this year and learn while watching a lot more than he has. He has responded and he has a competitor’s attitude. He’s earned my respect and I think that this kid may well be a very serviceable PG sooner than we might think.

    4. Inform the team that conditioning programs will be evaluated and enhanced. In other words, boys, bring your running shoes and puke buckets, because if you want to play on my team you’re going to be in tip top shape or you’re going to watch the game from the sidelines and I am going to recruit your replacement.

    For a start.

  9. packbackr04 02/22/2008 at 3:50 PM #

    ” Tell certain players that they are playing for their scholarships. You all know who they are, the comments area of this board is full of the names. Put up or pack up. No more chit-chats, no more gentle reminders. Earn the uniform or turn it back in.”

    great point, this CAN NOT be overstated. these kids act like we all owe them something, not the other way around. and that is wrong. WPC and the money paid by fans for tickets to games allows these kids to get a free education!! so in theory, they owe us! i would like nothing more than to hear about one or two “defections” in this offseason.

  10. BladenWolf 02/22/2008 at 3:56 PM #

    ^^
    Starting with Costner…

    No extra games or off season conditioning is going to change “attitude”. ass time on the bench or threaten to pull the scholly is the only way to break through with this guy.

    I got nauseated watching him stand around while Hazbro continuously beat us and dunked on us.

  11. packgrad93 02/22/2008 at 3:57 PM #

    like who? Costner? Get real, he’s one of the most talented players we have & still has 2 more years to play for us. I suspect he’ll come back with a vengence. Who else, Johnson? He already xfered once, doubtful he’ll do it again. Every great team needs vetern players to bring along the frosh & be outstanding backups. Trev, Marques, Horner can all be important players for the team without being the most talented.

  12. BladenWolf 02/22/2008 at 4:02 PM #

    Get real?
    Have you watched any games this year? Damn…what team were you watching? Potential and execution are not mutually inclusive.

    Remind me again of this talented players stats this season and I’ll reconsider. Once you actually see them, I think you’ll understand my position better.

  13. packpigskinfan23 02/22/2008 at 4:07 PM #

    packgrad- have they shown that AT ALL this WHOLE year!?

  14. LRM 02/22/2008 at 4:13 PM #

    I don’t buy the argument that the NIT is good experience, so I just don’t see how it’s a silver lining.

    Look at the past 10 winners:

    2007-West Virginia
    2006-South Carolina
    2005-South Carolina
    2004-Michigan
    2003-St. John’s
    2002-Memphis
    2001-Tulsa
    2000-Wake Forest
    1999-California
    1998-Minnesota

    Only Memphis in 2003, St. John’s in 2002, and Wake in 2001 followed up its NIT Championship season with a trip to the NCAAT the following season. Talk about a program that fell harder than us, Michigan last went in 1998.

    I think this team, with the effort they’ve shown, shouldn’t get the “reward” of an NIT bid.

  15. Ed89 02/22/2008 at 4:14 PM #

    ^^ I would hope we say no to an invitation if it comes to that.

    Although I mostly agreed with the rest of your post, RAWFS, I just can’t go along with that one. This is college basketball, and these kids should have the opportunity to experience postseason play as much as possible. I know we don’t like not getting to the Dance or NIT, but for the kid’s sake, I don’t think we would turn down an opportunity to play in ANY postseason event. Same could be said for lower tier bowl games in football. In addition, post-season play brings in $$ for the program, so I seriously doubt we would decline any invite.

  16. McPete 02/22/2008 at 4:15 PM #

    pulling MJs scholly would be totally unethical. the staff ‘should f*cking better known better’ – as vince vega elloquently put it – and maybe he’ll never see a bunch of playing time. but the staff evaluated the kid and gave him the scholly, they should stick to their word. i wonder if a guy like dennis horner, who seems ill-suited to lowe’s philosophy and considering johnny thomas and cj willaims were recruited by lowe at the same position, would opt to transfer out.

    i agree with packgrad93 about costner. everyone knows he’s talented. the staff must find a way to get more out of his talent than the season. i bet they can, too. you have to coach motivation in college, no one draws a paycheck.

  17. choppack1 02/22/2008 at 4:16 PM #

    “At the top of the list, State should consider finding a new strength & conditioning coach or at least demanding a new S&C regime.”

    I think this coach has been w/ the b’ball team forever. However, I think he’s shared w/ a few other teams – I’m not sure though.

    Our team totally failed it’s critical 3 game test – going 0-3 when we could only afford to go 1-2 at worst.

    I really don’t have a lot to add other than hopefully we’ll see some turnover on the staff. Hopefully, staff and players alike will take the offseason somewhat seriously, instead of thinking that we’ll be good by the time the ball is thrown up.

  18. beowolf 02/22/2008 at 4:17 PM #

    State should consider finding a new strength & conditioning coach or at least demanding a new S&C regime.

    I am in agreement with this.

  19. BladenWolf 02/22/2008 at 4:21 PM #

    Don’t misunderstand my position on Costner fellas. I like the kid and think he has bucket-loads of talent, but the harsh truth is he has been an abject failure this season.

    Jay Bilas (the asshat) even commented (ad nausea) that Costner was AWOL in the UNX game (and several others this season). I distinctly recall three occasions when Hazbro ran by (read: over) his man and Costner did nothing but stand there and watch.

    …and he needs to be motivated?

    Backside help anyone? That’s a fundamental my friends.

    Too much talent to bother when your teammate needs help I suppose.

    Give me a f’ing break. After his “talented” season last year, Costner is the biggest underachiever on the team this season – no question if you look at his stats.

    As stated earlier: Earn the damn uniform or turn it in -regardless of your damn talent.

  20. packgrad93 02/22/2008 at 4:28 PM #

    9 pts, 5 boards, 2 assists in < 26 min/game isn’t awful.

    & yes, Johnson, Trev & Horner have all showed they could be valuable back-ups & they’re not upper classmen yet. Look at Q for unc, a senior coming in & doing a respectable job.

  21. nycfan 02/22/2008 at 4:32 PM #

    I think it would be short-sighted to turn down an NIT or even CBIC bid — sort of like turning down a bowl, you could lose a lot of free organized practice time (assuming State advances a few games).

    One thing I think all the top coaches have in common is that most of their coaching gets done in practice … come game time, yes, they make adjustments, etc., but even so you can only make adjustments if the team is prepared to execute them. Players don’t think on the court, they do. The fundamentals (both individual and team/strategic) are drilled in before the tap. Some of this has to take place in game play (hence the OOC schedules) but the core has to take place in practice.

    I doubt there are many (if any) successful examples of a coach installing a zone in a game by drawing it up at half time … there has to be some underlying drills, instruction, zone principles, etc. built into the team in order for them to grasp and effect the adjustment.

    That looks to me to be an area where Lowe & Co. need significant improvement, having their guys prepared on game day to implement the game plan and to implement adjustments as needed. Sometimes I have thought State looks slow to react not due to lack of effort but because the players are so utterly mechanical. Deep in the season, they often seem to be still thinking through each step rather than automatically taking each step in a flow. This especially shows in the half-court offense at times, rebounding and in rotating back on defense. More than almost anything else you can do in basketball, rebounding doesn’t take athleticism (though that certainly helps), it takes well-drilled, fundamental skills.

    I also think there is a collective glass jaw issue (to be honest, I thought State players gave up in both Carolina games), but I think some of the initial mistakes that give rise to the punch in the mouth are of the mechanical nature rather than the psychological.

  22. BladenWolf 02/22/2008 at 4:40 PM #

    Okay stats for a role player – which Costner isn’t suppose to be. You were just saying how talented he was…

    By the way…according to Gamewatcher over on GoPack, Costner had 7 points, 3 rebounds, 1 block, and 0 assists.

    Last years ACCT MVP numbers?

    Hickson, (a true freshman) had 13 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks, and 1 assist.

    Again, I like Costner, but he needs to decide if he really wants to play for the Pack next season or with some other team he can truly get motivated for.

    Enough said.

  23. choppack1 02/22/2008 at 4:58 PM #

    Once again, I continue to be baffled by the criticism Costner gets. Criticize staff first, they haven’t motivated or conditioned Costner properly.

    Does anyone find it a bit coincidental that you can kind of say the same thing about McCauley too???

    I’ve actually heard that both are playing hurt this year. And watching them play, I’d believe it.

    Here’s another thing I’d like to see from Sidney next year:

    Stop pigeon-holing players to positions. Guys like Grant and Fells are big enough to defend a lot of 4s on this level. You can totally change the make-up and dynamic of this team by playing Grant at the 4 spot. We blew that shot this year, but hopefully next year, Sidney will find a way to give our opponents more confusing looks rather than the knowledge that you’ll see the same folks at the 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 spots.

  24. TTandB74 02/22/2008 at 5:15 PM #

    New strength and conditioning coach and program is imperative. Looking back over the last 20 years, has any other team had the myriad of injuries we’ve had? The talking heads say these things go in cycles, but the cycles aren’t supposed to be that long.
    It makes me wonder about our entire conditioning regimen.

  25. TTandB74 02/22/2008 at 5:16 PM #

    Ooops. Should be “are” imperative. My bad. Don’t want to get mistaken for packpassion!

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