Facing the Facts – BJD Writes Off 2007-08

I hate to say it, and it makes me mad as hell to do so. But 2007-08 must be written off as a “learning year” for Sidney Lowe. Despite being an ACC school with all the institutional infrastructure needed to win, NC State is employing yet another head coach who has to learn on the job. After last night, there’s really no room for debate.

Go back to our post from a few weeks back, where we made clear that the offseason was handled very poorly:

It is time to call it as we see it — I honestly believe that the members of this program could not have done less in the offseason to prepare for the 2007-2008 Basketball season and everyone involved in NC State Basketball from Lee Fowler to the student manager owes Wolfpack Nation a huge apology.

I said it multiple times in the early season and I don’t understand how so many people in the media and on the internet don’t grasp it as they continue to wait for a big change &/or predict a turnaround. Our problems are fundamentally systemic. There is NO SWITCH to flip here to get things fixed. Players don’t just have epiphanies and start playing exponentially better when your problems include significant breakdowns of fundamentals like not playing defense, not boxing out/rebounding, not being able to shoot, not having a point guard or an offensive system that flows. We SUCK at the basic things that a team must do to compete in COLLEGE basketball.

More specifically, we told you:

At the start of this season I spoke with a few folks who are historically close to our program and two specifc comments in struck a chord with me at the time.

The first comment was related to conditioning (or the lack thereof). One gentleman shared that he “hadn’t seen bodies this out of shape on an NC State team since his relationship started with Coach Robinson almost 20 years ago.”

I knew what he meant the moment the team stepped on the court against William & Mary in November and it has manifested itself during the season. I have rarely seen a college team look more lethargic, slow, and disengaged than what we are witnessing this year.

…A poster on Pack Pride’s message boards astutely commented today “If you look at the muscle definition on the UNC and Clemson players and then look at our guys, you will see the difference. Other teams pay the price in the weight room. We clearly do not. Our guys, with the exception of Hickson and Tracy, physically look like a pick up squad of off-work bankers.”

Last week, I laid out a scenario to get to 8-8. Presently, one section is particularly relevant – it addresses the 50/50 road games left on our schedule. All 3 games are against inferior teams on a talent basis, that don’t present bad matchups. Here’s what I said:

Getting 2 out of 3 here would be huge, and probably necessary. Let me clarify what I mean by inferior – on a neutral court, I would expect NC State to be favored against all 3. Of course, if we play poorly (like we did in the home matchup against Wake), all bets are off. But I like our roster better than each opponent’s, and there are no bad matchups for us (no great outside shooting or multiple, dynamic guards).

If Fells can shut down or at least suppress Rice, Singletary, and Teague – then State is better at the other positions. I also expect momentum and motive to work in NC State’s favor – Boston College is in freefall, and Virginia is showing signs of weariness (due to their coach being a raving lunatic in the mold of his asshole mentor, Jim Calhoun). These two also have a somewhat lackluster home-court advantage. BC is worse than their record indicates, and UVA is better (3 of their ACC losses have come in overtime).

I haven’t changed my mind about BC – they are worse than their record indicates. I still think they only have one good player. But note my caveat – if Fells can shut down or at least supress Rice.

In what can only be described as a bizarre decision, Lowe decided to task his undersized, true freshman PG with guarding Rice. By the second TV timeout, Rice had eleven points. I suppose Fells guarded whichever stiff the Eagles had on the court at SG. There was no rational reason to expect this to work. And anyone could see, that it wasn’t working. But aside from a handful of first half minutes when Grant guarded him, Lowe stubbornly left Javi and MJ to deal with Rice. Naturally, he went on to tie his career high of 32 points, accounting for 39% of BC’s scoring (not counting assists related to shaking off Javi and forcing the defense to rotate). Even if Fells was destined to play in a haze, Rice at least couldn’t have shot over him at will.

Last night was a microcosm of the many problems within the program. Guys take plays, or even whole games off. Sid shakes his head in frustration (Note to Sid – that won’t accomplish squat) – he doesn’t seem to know what to do. I don’t know if it’s a question of preparation, motivation, or both. But it is Sid’s job to fix it. And it sucks to waste an entire (once promising) season because our coach isn’t ready and is learning on the job.

But our situation is what it is. There’s no way anyone should remotely consider tossing Sid (or any coach) overboard in their first two years of a rebuilding situation. It would be unfair, expensive, and definitely make our program look bad. We hired a guy who has to learn – so let’s see if he can do it. That does not mean SFN is handing out free passes. Writing off one year for “learning” is all that I’m willing to do. We need to see evidence of maturation in three categories next year. The mileposts are difficult, but necessary.

1) Significant Objective Improvement Next Year, Despite Losing Our Two Best Players. Yes, this is a tall order – but that’s just too bad. Another bad season means defining NC State as a losing program. An NCAAT bid would meet this criteria, maybe less than that if we earn an A+ for item #2 below.

2) Consistent Effort on Both Ends of the Floor. That likely requires more sticks and fewer carrots. This isn’t the NBA, where the players make more than you and have to be handled with velvet gloves. Guys that don’t want to play hard for 40 minutes should sit on the bench, then be forced out of the program. Despite what I’ve written above, I’m not trying to micromanage here – whatever motivational strategy Sid wants to use is fine with me. As long as it works. He has to figure that out starting with the 2008-09 season.

3) Sign Top Ten Class for 2009. This class must include a superstar, ready from Day One PG (likely Wall, other targets may exist) and another dominant player, such as Favors or Brown. The talent level on the roster is Les Robinson-caliber without a stud class for 2009. More role players aren’t going to cut it. You need multiple stars and a top-notch PG to have any shot to win in the ACC.

That’s pretty much it. Let us know your thoughts.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

07-08 Basketball Sidney Lowe

127 Responses to Facing the Facts – BJD Writes Off 2007-08

  1. wolfonthehill 02/15/2008 at 4:47 PM #

    The fact that Sid didn’t recognize the need to put Fells on Rice was where he lost me for the season. I called it out on the S6 liveblog last night VERY early in the game. Inexcusable coaching decision, and inexcusable defensive effort all night last night… which again is attributable to poor coaching.

    Next year is critical for Sid – there have to be signs of life that aren’t there this season.

  2. 44legend 02/15/2008 at 5:00 PM #

    Since we all seem to be dogging the coaching staff can anyone explain last season’s run at the end? The grit, heart, execution, COACHING MOVES etc.?? People are human and it appears he has made a few mistakes…but none are “inexcusable”. Sometimes under stress the decisions are 10x harder to make. I know that first hand as work puts me in life vs. death and dismemberment situations weekly.

    Also I’m sick of seeing insinuations there’s a work ethic problem…the spin last year was a hospitalization from exhaustion and over-work. How are there simultaneous back stories here? Is there disinformation being disseminated? I don’t like the backbiting. If there’s hard evidence of gross negligence I think we’d see and know it. Stop the rumor mongering.

    Things aren’t adding up.

  3. howlie 02/15/2008 at 5:05 PM #

    ‘Jim Valvano’ et al,

    The reason why so many are ringing the death knell is because the team has obviously given up. LAST YEAR, despite a flurry of defeats, there were ‘glimpses of greatness’ across the season.
    IN ADDITION, everyone had hope that our injured, senior on-the-floor-leader WOULD be returning at the end of the year [shades of ’83!], and one could ENVISION [with SOME modicum of ‘Faith’] that we had the real possibility to make a run.

    Not only has this years team NOT shown ‘glimpses’ of any potential [i.e., unTAPPED ability in reserve], this team HAS repeatedly shown that they cry ‘uncle.’ There haven’t really been any games when we ‘seized the day’ at the end and ‘claimed’ our win as a team. Several players have SINGLEhandedly made tough ‘last plays’ on O, but that was after ‘trading baskets’ with the opponent… the TEAM has not made stops on ‘D’]. Our ‘usual’ is to wait for, and watch our opponent [often vastly inferior] claim victory away from us. As others have said, we just DON’T CARE if we box out, rebound, or pressure the ball on D at the end.

    Let’s face it, in year-end scenarios, success is all about LEADERSHIP on the court, and ours is a late-signed, third-string PG just out of high school thrust into the lineup INJURED after having no pre-season preparatory play. Think about that. Since being ‘thown in to the fire,’ Javi was schooled but has ‘fought back’ to keep from being completely embarrased by more experienced ACC PG’s. What he has accomplished is deserving of admiration, but he has hit his ‘freshman ceiling.’
    While Javi MAY be beyond the physical problems of early in the year[?], he now knows what he needs to work on in the offseason. Other PG’s, like Gainey and Archie did not have ‘McD Skills,’ but became very good through hard work. Javi looks to have that same determination but his development is likely years away… The other four on the court just can’t make up for the current inexperience we have at the point.

    Our ONLY hope now is to ‘run’ the ACC Tourney, and as we have seen several times over the last few years, it is beyond unlikely we can win in a 12-team, 4-game tourney.

    YES, it IS possible… and if we rise from the dead we’ll watch.

    Rather, the focus is now on IF we qualify for the NIT. What is its’ value? If JJ IS gone, it is obscene to let him pad his numbers in the NIT only for a higher draft status… Instead, we have to play Tracy and Horner to prepare them for leadership for next year. If Brandon’s [undefined and undisclosed] injury is ‘okay’ by NIT time [i.e., no surgery needed], it would be great for him to play those games–otherwise he should sit.
    For Gavin, the NIT is of no real value to his basketball future [probably overseas]. Thomas’ injury shouldn’t allow him to play in the NIT…

  4. newt 02/15/2008 at 5:22 PM #

    “The fact that Sid didn’t recognize the need to put Fells on Rice was where he lost me for the season. I called it out on the S6 liveblog last night VERY early in the game. Inexcusable coaching decision, and inexcusable defensive effort all night last night… which again is attributable to poor coaching.”

    I disagree. In Sid’s system, the point guard defends the other team’s point guard. The solution is not a change in coaching, it’s a point guard that can guard the man across from him, be that a new recruit or an improved Javi. Big picture, not one game.

    On whether we can have another glorious finish based on our impressions of this teams’ heart, for perspective, here’s Statefans February 2007:

    1:38 – I didn’t think we could play shittier than we did against Miami, but I was wrong. So far, this is EASILY the worst we have played on offense AND defense all season. Just pitiful.

    Halftime – Coming out of halftime, the only starter on the floor should be Costner. Absolutely nobody else on this team showed up to play today. Send a message prior to the Wake game, that this kind of half-assed play is completely unacceptable. Caveat – Atsur’s play might be due to physical limitations rather than attitude.

    2:09 – So far, the 2nd half is even worse. What a load of freaking crap this is. No fight, no effort, no pride to wear the uniform.

    2:45 – Is Cliff Ellis mentally “challenged” – seriously? Gavin Grant is the king of garbage time. Would have been nice if he had done something while the outcome was still in doubt. Why are we risking further injury to Costner and Atsur? Complete lunacy.

    End of Game – A fittingly humiliating end to a humilating game. Ben McCauley was invisible again, and has likely played his way out of all-ACC consideration over the last 2 games. Fells played as if he were stoned. Atsur was clearly way off, and the coaching staff stubbornly (and stupidly, IMHO) played him all the way, even after the outcome was clearly decided. We need the next game to qualify for the NIT and avoid last place, so it sure as hell better not come back to haunt us. Before the game the TV foofs were talking about FSU wanting the score in the 70s, and NC State wanting it in the 50s. In a way, that’s exactly what happened – Florida State 78, NC State 52.

  5. BillyVest 02/15/2008 at 5:38 PM #

    The fact that Sid didn’t recognize the need to put Fells on Rice was where he lost me for the season.

    You did notice the Trevor Ferguson sighting? He put Ferguson in for Fells probably because Fells wasn’t doin’ jack on defense on whoever he was guarding. I don’t see how an inattentive Fells is going to shut down Rice and Fells, like most of the rest of the team, was still in Raleigh.

  6. BJD95 02/15/2008 at 5:53 PM #

    This season, Fells has always guarded the opponent’s best scoring guard. Because that’s the only chance in hell we have to win. And we needed to win this year.

  7. wolfpack74ms 02/15/2008 at 5:54 PM #

    At this point I would feel better about Lowe if he could get the players to play hard for 2 halves and show some emotion. It’s not happening. Win or lose just play hard.

  8. Wulfpack 02/15/2008 at 6:13 PM #

    “Also I’m sick of seeing insinuations there’s a work ethic problem…the spin last year was a hospitalization from exhaustion and over-work. How are there simultaneous back stories here?”

    “I really expected us to come out aggressive and establish ourselves early, and we didn’t do that,” Wolfpack coach Sidney Lowe said. “Some of the efforts (were) very disappointing.”

  9. highstick 02/15/2008 at 8:23 PM #

    Work ethic? They stand around in the same place and don’t move!

    By the way, in case you haven’t gotten a “form letter response” from our illustrious Chancellor who signs Foulup’s check:

    Dear Mr. XXXXXXX,

    Thank you for your email and for your enthusiasm for NC State athletics. We all want our teams to reflect the greatness of our university, and our coaches, athletic staff and student-athletes are constantly striving to make that happen. I ask that you continue your support for our athletics program, Lee Fowler and NC State. Mr. Fowler is very appreciative of the Wolfpack fan base and is always open to talking with and listening to our fans.

  10. wolfonthehill 02/15/2008 at 8:26 PM #

    OK – I’ve got nothing for anyone who could possibly go into last night’s game thinking that either Javi or Marques could in any way contain Rice. BC has one player. We have one POTENTIAL lock-down defender. You simply must put said defender on said player.

    I don’t give a rat’s ass if Sid’s “system” is to have our point guard cover theirs… that “system” got its ass handed to it last night. I think I’d try a new “system”.

  11. blpack 02/15/2008 at 11:11 PM #

    Good reminder how we laid the groundwork for a lackluster year thus far, with a poor off season. Weights, running and getting in the gym to work on one’s game has to take place with each and every player. They should be in shape long before October 15. Kudos to choppack for recognizing the larger problem within the athletics dept. Contracts aren’t worth much these days and his is one that needs to be torn up. Too much accepting of mediocrity. Expect more, achieve more.

  12. ktoh 02/15/2008 at 11:29 PM #

    system there is none……..we must all pray we never get pressed or we may get shut out………seriously though they have to show something tomorrow against clemson

  13. Greywolf 02/16/2008 at 12:57 AM #

    “BJD: Bingo. That’s why I’m writing the season off, and hope that the hard lessons have been learned.”

    One excuse for “giving up” is as good as another. For a State fan to “write the season off” is to dishonor the memory of Jim Valvano.

    Do I like the way the season is going? No. Am I going to be faux TarHole and quit because we aren’t winning or playing like I think we should or any other way you want to put it? I don’t think so. The Dean Dome had nearly as many State fans as UNX fans in the Dou era when we played there.

    I also loathe the TarHoles who “write the season off” and don’t fill Kenan in losing seasons. Being in Carter-Finley til the Fat Lady sings, win, lose or draw is my expession of being a Wolfpacker.

    Write the season off? Like children who need love the most when they deserve it the least; when our team least deserves support, is when they need it the most. I guess being a child who rarely deserved love, has me have strong feelings about blowing off the season.

    Wanna be a TarHole in wolves clothing? Write the season off? Go Tarholes.

    BJD: Again, writing the season off means having zero expectation or hope for a turnaround. I’ll still watch and cheer. Fact is that its too late for “tough love” to turn players around. That should have happened in December, not mid-February.

  14. Greywolf 02/16/2008 at 1:05 AM #

    And if the team has actually quit, and every other State fan quits and I am a line of one, there will be no writing the season off to avoid disappointment. I’d be far more disappointed in myself if I did. Apparantly, as our fans go, so goes the team.

  15. b 02/16/2008 at 2:37 AM #

    I agree you can’t quit hoping. We all know there is always a chance, it has been proven by the ’83 team and others.

    Though I have strong faith, I also prescribe to “God helps those who help themselves”. There has been precious little of that on the business end of the basketball court, IMHO and apparently many others here.

    Sid has made some shrewd in game adjustments, but 90% of defense is player want-to and the other 10% is team communication. Move your feet, tell your teammates what’s happening around them, and ball-you-man off the ball. Basic things that should be second nature for any ball player above the middle school level. Our guys don’t seem to want to compete for stretches, and I can’t figure that out for the life of me. That damns you as a player as much it reflects coaching IMO.

    They may be able to catch Clemson sleeping tomorrow, but only if they are amped for 40 minutes on defense and add a little to our mantra.

    Don’t give up offensive rebounds. Don’t ever give up offensive rebounds.

  16. JimValvano 02/16/2008 at 8:04 AM #

    *Gets in line with Greywolf* *HELL NO…WE WON’T GO! HELL NO…WE WON’T GO!*

    By God I’m picketing this season and this team. I’m not leaving until we can strike a deal for “fair play” and better “fan care programs”

  17. Greywolf 02/16/2008 at 11:24 AM #

    BJD,
    I really do know you to be a staunch Wolfpacker. And I “now that you know” that I am as well. In that context I think we can both agree and disagree on some points. However, if I hear a mf tarhole say the same things I say, I will jump right in his s**t. 😉

    “BJD: Again, writing the season off means having zero expectation or hope for a turnaround. I’ll still watch and cheer. Fact is that its too late for “tough love” to turn players around. That should have happened in December, not mid-February.”

    It’s not tough love I’m talking about. Quite to the contrary it’s pure love, the kind a parent has for a child when the child has really screwed up. Our players have really screwed the season up. If anybody thinks SFN posters are rough on them, they have no idea how badly the State players are being on themselves. How do you think Gavin Grant is feeling after putting hanging his ass out to dry. (I hate the cheap shots we take at Gavin about being too cocky and “just showing up expecting to win.” That’s major BS.)

    BJD: Agree. You never hear me saying that. If the rest of the team had his desire, we wouldn’t be in this situation. I feel horrible that this is how Gavin’s senior season is going down. On the “tough love” point, I was addressing Lowe’s post-game remarks.

    McCauley, Costner, Horner, all have to be absolutely sick about how this season is going. Those guys are first and foremost Wolfpackers. I have a helluva hard time sitting by and listening (reading) to fellow Wolfpackers kicking them while they are down — standing with our figurative foot on their neck while we give our expert opinion of how sorry, not only players they are, but also inferior human beings, quitters, lazy, etc.

    BJD: We are judging their actions – we don’t know them personally, and thus are in no position to judge their character. It’s irrefutable that guys haven’t given consistent effort. Lowe has finally admitted as much.

    The one thing above all else the keeps me in check (being thrown off SFN, not withstanding) is my knowledge that all the expressions of disgust seen on SFN are sourced in a deep commitment to NCSU athletic excellence.

    BJD: Amen, hallelujah.

  18. pacman23 02/16/2008 at 12:10 PM #

    Greywolf wrote:
    ” Pacman 23 said: “But what about the players, who have to read and hear this kind of thing?”

    well, Pacman, I sure hope so. Any player who quits because he is not playing the way he is coached to play and wants to quit on the season, can pack his bags and transfer. I say good riddance. ”

    Hey Greywolf, i totally agree with you there, but you misunderstood my comment. I wasn’t referring to Lowe’s statement about playing defense. the players needed to hear that and so did we. (also, as I said, I know we needed to hear it sooner). I love that he said it and hope that maybe it will shake some players out of the coma they’ve been in for the last couple of games (excepting the first half at Maryland).
    I was referring to the players having to read and hear Wolfpack fans writing off the season.

    BJD: I hope it pisses them off and they prove me wrong. I’d like nothing more. They’ve pissed me off with half-assed effort for most of the year. We’d be even in that department.

    I will continue to support them to the very end, wherever that may lead us.
    As Jimmy V said above, “Don’t give up, don’t ever give up!”
    That, my friends, is the Wolfpack mantra.

  19. vtpackfan 02/16/2008 at 12:22 PM #

    “It’s not tough love I’m talking about. Quite to the contrary it’s pure love, the kind a parent has for a child when the child has really screwed up.”

    Good distinction “Grey”wolf. I’m just having fun in my head imagining the “Old grey fox” quoting this to a news reporter. Is that where NC State Athletics is heading? Pure Love?

    “We first need the best facilities before we can truly measure our individual programs progress toward attainment of “pure love”.”

  20. BJD95 02/16/2008 at 1:09 PM #

    Leadership is knowing when your charges need a pat on the back, and when they need a kick in the pants.

  21. pacman23 02/16/2008 at 2:18 PM #

    BJD, what you are saying, if I’m reading you correctly, is that you hope that the players hearing that the fans have given up will piss them off enough to make them prove you wrong. Man, I hope you’re right.
    It would be a surprising reaction, though, because I think most teams would roll over and play dead when their fans write them off.
    I see it happening right now in Indianapolis with the Pacers.
    Well, the team has gotten their(public)kick in the pants. (we really have no idea what’s already been said privately.) They’re also getting punched right in the groin on this very forum. What will the response be? Call me the eternal optimist, but I’ve seen glimpses of what the team can do this year when they put their HEART and minds to it, and I still think anything is possible. But, it must start TODAY.

    2:10pm-first upset of the day Syracuse beats Georgetown in the Carrier Dome.
    2:11pm-USF takes UCONN to overtime in the Sun Dome

    5:05pm-RBC Center ???

  22. Greywolf 02/16/2008 at 2:58 PM #

    vtpackfan
    Feb 16th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
    “It’s not tough love I’m talking about. Quite to the contrary it’s pure love, the kind a parent has for a child when the child has really screwed up.”

    Good distinction “Grey”wolf. I’m just having fun in my head imagining the “Old grey fox” quoting this to a news reporter. Is that where NC State Athletics is heading? Pure Love?

    “We first need the best facilities before we can truly measure our individual programs progress toward attainment of “pure love”.”

    vtpackfan,
    The would be a funny bit. You’re dealing with an old man here, one who has CRS syndrom. What I was thinking of and couldn’t remember what it was called, was “unconditional love.” The problem with my talking about love is that I don’t know from squat about it. The only thing I know it is the differences between ‘liking’, ‘loving’ and ‘showing off’. If you don’t know, my next post will have the answer but not the question. 😉

  23. Greywolf 02/16/2008 at 3:09 PM #

    BJD: I hope it pisses them off and they prove me wrong. I’d like nothing more. They’ve pissed me off with half-assed effort for most of the year. We’d be even in that department.

    BJD,
    I know your heart is in the right place. I beleive that’s called reverse psychology. The only problem is it works in reverse. Reverse psychology has way back-firing big time as well. I am concerned that these are another coaches recruits who came here because of the a combination of the school and coach. Those players may have unbeknownst to themselves, a deep seated desire to show that another coach couldn’t do any better. (This has nothing to do with the quality skill-set of the player.)

    vtpackfan,
    spittin’, swallowing and gargling

  24. vtpackfan 02/17/2008 at 9:06 AM #

    “vtpackfan,
    spittin’, swallowing and gargling”

    Skoal, or Kodiak?

  25. Greywolf 02/17/2008 at 11:20 AM #

    vtpackfan
    Feb 17th, 2008 at 9:06 am
    “vtpackfan,
    spittin’, swallowing and gargling”

    Skoal, or Kodiak?

    LOL
    Sounds like you might have played a little baseball.

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