Doing the Math (The Path to 8 ACC Wins)

Let the people rejoice – State beat the castrated turkeys once again, to get back to .500 in the ACC. That’s the good news. The bad news is that the second half of the conference schedule is even more difficult. NC State will likely only be favored in one game (home vs. FSU). But all is not lost – State may not be the favorite, but can legitimately expect to compete well in 5 other matchups. We break the games down into categories below, with percentage likelihood of victory in parentheses.

Home games against inferior opponents (1)

vs. Florida State (80%)

The Pack played really well (and the Noles really poorly) for 5 minutes at the end of the first half in Tallahassee. Thanks to a banked 3 from Fells and huge plays on both ends of the floor from Hickson in the last minute of play, that was enough. FSU is in the midst of watching another season go down the drain in ACC play, with the NIT looming on the horizon. This is a game that NC State must win, and should do so absent a severe mental letdown.

Road games against inferior opponents (3)

at Boston College (50%), at Virginia (50%), at Wake Forest (50%)

Getting 2 out of 3 here would be huge, and probably necessary. Let me clarify what I mean by inferior – on a neutral court, I would expect NC State to be favored against all 3. Of course, if we play poorly (like we did in the home matchup against Wake), all bets are off. But I like our roster better than each opponent’s, and there are no bad matchups for us (no great outside shooting or multiple, dynamic guards). If Fells can shut down or at least suppress Rice, Singletary, and Teague – then State is better at the other positions. I also expect momentum and motive to work in NC State’s favor – Boston College is in freefall, and Virginia is showing signs of weariness (due to their coach being a raving lunatic in the mold of his asshole mentor, Jim Calhoun). These two also have a somewhat lackluster home-court advantage. BC is worse than their record indicates, and UVA is better (3 of their ACC losses have come in overtime). Wake is more of a wild card, but if everything breaks right, NC State could enter the game at 7-8 and needing a win to punch its dance ticket. I fully expect Wake to be playing for nothing but pride. I also don’t think much of head coach Dino Gaudio.

Very tough matchups, but not hopeless (2)

at Maryland (25%), vs. Clemson (35%)

The upcoming titlt in College Park is just one of those games I have a feeling about. Maryland is notorious for playing to the level of their competition. They do have multiple, good PGs – but neither is an explosive scorer. They don’t shoot well from the outside. The Terp big men are talented – but they also give up alot of fouls. That’s the weak point we can exploit, as long as we aren’t dominated on the glass and don’t go crazy with turnovers. It will be a fun matchup, if for no other reason than Osby. Like Fletch, he’s 6’9″ with the afro. Clemson is a tough matchup for us, with good perimeter shooting, solid rebounding, and smothering defense. They made us look silly in Littlejohn. However, the Tiggers are a different team on the road, and have really struggled of late. The crowd will be up for this one, and I can’t write off a possible upset.

Divine intervention needed (2)

vs. UNC (2%), vs. Duke (1%)

These are nightmare matchups for the Pack, both offensively and defensively. Regardless of location, the two blues would beat the Pack 99 times out of 100. As Duke showed last week, it is capable of undoing 20 minutes of yeoman’s work by the Pack in about 3:20. I listed our odds at 2% for the UNC game, because there is a remote chance that Lawson won’t play, or will be severely limited.

Add up the percentages, and the median number of expected wins over the last 8 ACC games is 2.93. 7-9 is the most likely mathematical result, with 6 wins being slightly more likely than 8. I would be really surprised to see 5-11 or 9-7.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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103 Responses to Doing the Math (The Path to 8 ACC Wins)

  1. RAWFS 02/06/2008 at 6:42 PM #

    I agree with Tau. We need to be 9-7 to be a lock, and that means 5-3 over the second half. Then to be sure, win a tournament game or better, two.

  2. VaWolf82 02/06/2008 at 6:47 PM #

    we match up well against UNC, except at the PG position (maybe Lawson’s ankle will not heal fully).

    You have obviously had too much to drink. Please do not drive yourself home.

  3. Astral Rain 02/06/2008 at 6:57 PM #

    8-8 last year made you the 8th seed. With UNC and Duke so dominant this year- it might put you 4th, which is bad. Best place to be is 5th so you’d draw Virginia first round.

  4. BJD95 02/06/2008 at 7:41 PM #

    I think our RPI would be between 30 and 35 if we finished 8-8, as long as we don’t play and lose a Thursday game. 8-8 might get us the 4 seed this year.

  5. JeremyH 02/06/2008 at 8:19 PM #

    I wonder if we get one AP vote if we win Saturday..

  6. Ed89 02/06/2008 at 9:33 PM #

    ^^^^With UNC and Duke so dominant this year- it might put you 4th, which is bad. Best place to be is 5th so you’d draw Virginia first round.

    uhhh??? you’d rather play a thursday game as the number 5 seed, and if you win play the 4 seed on friday rather than get a bye on thursday and play the winner of the 5-12 matchup???

    can someone else explain that logic???

  7. spanky 02/06/2008 at 9:55 PM #

    Off topic, but did anyone in the triangle area hear the Raycom announcer refer to Hansblow running the floor and looking like, and I quote, a “great white shark?”

  8. highstick 02/06/2008 at 9:58 PM #

    Looks like a sperm whale to me! He looks like he’s doing a lot of hip checking and flopping.

  9. Ed89 02/06/2008 at 10:08 PM #

    brando said that.
    notre dame killed seton hall…not good for us.

  10. newt 02/06/2008 at 10:24 PM #

    A mismatch is when a player is much bigger, taller, or quicker than his counterpart. It’s not the same as a discussion of general talent. UNC has premier talent.

    In 2004, Ilian Evtimov was matched up with Sean May. That was a mismatch. He could not guard Sean May’s size. May isolated against Ilian equaled a basket for UNC.

    Shane Battier was 6’9″ and could dribble and shoot three pointers, creating a a mismatch for most teams.

    Relative to the rest of the ACC, we have a lot of height this year with adequate size and quickness. Courtney Fells is 6’5″ and athletic at the 2. Gavin Grant is 6’8″ with adequate size and speed. Hickson matches up pound-for-pound with “steroid rage T.”

    At point guard, Lawson is quicker than Javi and waaaaay quicker than Johnson, unless his ankle slows him down. Thus PG is the only mismatch against UNC.

    I guess one could argue we’re a little slow at the 4 if one wanted to make an actual point, or that UNC can play Ginyard at the 3 and have a quickness advantage, but we’d have a size advantage and could post him up.

  11. JeremyH 02/06/2008 at 10:26 PM #

    who are we cheering for in the unc/duke game tonite? doesn’t really matter does it?

  12. spanky 02/06/2008 at 10:29 PM #

    Go to redandwhitefromstate.com and read a few posts down about the “battle of the blues” and that’ll hold true for me too… ABC…

  13. wufpaxno1 02/06/2008 at 10:33 PM #

    Mr O,

    There are 192 wins in a twelve team ACC each year, 12 teams playing 16 games each equals 192 winners and 192 losers. You may want to rethink your calculations. But I still get your premis, with Duke and UNC taking up so many wins, it leaves little room for error amoung the body politic.

  14. JeremyH 02/06/2008 at 10:38 PM #

    the mismatch holds where Carolina has player as freakishly athletic as Fells and Grant, and are also better basketball players… not to knock our guys but it’s true..

    given that, we can beat UNC or Duke. we have to play above our heads and on inspiration, pride, and tons of effort. we did it last year in the RBC against UNC, we can do it again.

  15. BJD95 02/06/2008 at 10:49 PM #

    Duke is going 16-0, kids.

  16. RAWFS 02/06/2008 at 10:52 PM #

    Was that Mr. Bowles, the President of the ENTIRE UNC FREAKING SYSTEM behind Carolina’s bench rooting for his Heels?

    Why yes, it was.

    How many NC State games does he attend and root for the good ole Wolfpack?

    I bet none. Correct me if I am wrong.

  17. werncstate 02/06/2008 at 10:55 PM #

    I noted the white shark comment. Very spot on by the anouncer, Traveler does look like a big fish with his pearly whites showing all the time as is typical of mouth breathers.

    All of this talk of how to get to 8-8 is absolutely absurd.

    Root for dook to sweep the baby blues and State is assured of no worse than a tie for second place in the conference with a record of 12-4 after sweeping the remainder of there games.

  18. werncstate 02/06/2008 at 10:58 PM #

    Gavin unfortunately did not clarify that his 4 loss prediction only included regular season conference play.

  19. BJD95 02/06/2008 at 11:00 PM #

    If Jim Hunt became President of the UNC system, nobody would expect him to quit attending games as a State fan.

  20. RAWFS 02/06/2008 at 11:01 PM #

    ^ Good point.

  21. Ed89 02/06/2008 at 11:08 PM #

    brando has mentioned state several times and as usual packer doesn’t even acknowledge…amazing. packer is flat out anti-state as much as he is pro-unc.

  22. Ed89 02/06/2008 at 11:11 PM #

    have you seen edwards at the last two unc games. didn’t he go to state undergrad? he just mentioned law school at unc…anyway, glad the ‘traitor’ is out of the race…

  23. BJD95 02/06/2008 at 11:12 PM #

    Packer hates everybody. I think his son once acknowledged that he especially dislikes UNC and Duke.

  24. Ed89 02/06/2008 at 11:14 PM #

    anyone notice graves on the bench smiling while losing by 9 points…he’s be running like @#$%^ tomorrow.

  25. BJD95 02/06/2008 at 11:14 PM #

    Edwards is a turncoat. Now that he will never run for office in NC again, he’s more willing to be public about it. I’m so happy that Obama kicked his ass, on many levels.

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