Denial Runs Deep at NC State

I didn’t expect to get even madder when I read the sports page this morning. But then I read these quotes from Ben McCauley:

“It may seem like it but we’re still trying to [win],” junior forward Ben McCauley said. “We’re definitely trying to.

“I don’t think we’ve forgotten how to win [but] I think we’re kind of one step behind. We’re almost there.”

Almost there? Are you fucking kidding me? The last place team, the team who was winless against non-Boston College ACC foes, was beating you by 27 early in the second half. Maybe there’s a new meaning for “almost” that I just haven’t heard of yet.

How do we get out of this mess? Pretty simple, says Big Ben:

“We have to win these last three games and do very well in the ACC Tournament,” McCauley said. “If not win it, get to the finals and hope for the best. But we can’t think about the ACC Tournament right now. We got to win these last three games.”

How about a manageable goal – like showing up ready and fucking willing to play hard for a full 40 minutes. Just once. Then talk about how motivated everyone will be in the offseason to work hard, get in shape, and make sure they never have to suffer such humiliation ever again. Forget the NCAAT, NC State is on the outside of the NIT bubble right now. There’s nobody on the NCAAT selection committee even thinking about NC State.

This team and this coach continue to act like there are no major, systemic problems with the lousy product they are putting on the court. Like there is some magic switch that will flip, and NC State will get “hot” just like every opponent magically seems to do against NC State.

Here’s a hint – they are outworking you. It started with offseason workouts and fall practice, and continued through yesterday’s shoot-around. From the game recap thread, here’s what SFN commenter WolftownVA81 saw yesterday:

Being at the game today, I’ll offer my few observations. We got there when the doors openned 1-1/2 hours before game time so we got to see the shoot arounds, warmups and stretches. We had good seats on row A at the 300 level just behind the NCSU basket so we had a good view.

1. Our guys were not taking the shoot around serious. They were laughing and having a good time while most of their shots bricked.

2. The UVA players were all business and were making most of their shots. At one point my wife commented UVA had made 10 or 12 in a row from the 3 pt. line and we’re going get killed today.

3. When stretch time came, it was more go through the motions. We have players that can’t or won’t touch their toes.

The first step to recovery is recognizing that you have a problem. I see no evidence that anyone associated with the basketball program really gets that. Like I said a few days ago, maybe losing out and having no post-season will finally hammer the message home.

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243 Responses to Denial Runs Deep at NC State

  1. Wulfpack 02/25/2008 at 4:57 PM #

    Calipari and Sean Miller’s teams play with heart. They despise losing. That is good enough for me.

    The coach who shall go un-named has lifted the doormat of the PAC 10 to having a shot at the NCAA Tourney in only his second year.

    Our coach has managed to take a program that was a regular in the NCAA Tourney field, a team that finished in the upper half of the conference 5 years in a row, and turned it into shit in his second year.

    Go ahead, get riled up. Just the way it’s all shaking out.

  2. golf76 02/25/2008 at 5:11 PM #

    It doesn’t make sense for a team with as much talent as State has this year to be in this position. Some untold dynamic has taken hold. Like many other stories we see unfold right before our eyes, the real truth often isn’t known until three or four years down the road. It sucks to have such great expectations early and see them flop like a flat tire! It just SUCKS!

  3. eas 02/25/2008 at 5:11 PM #

    Degand was decent but I’m not sure he was much better than Javi. He never shot the ball either, so who knows if he could shoot. As I said before…MJ is horrible and by far the worst on the team. I had high hopes with his arrival as well….Maybe between Degand and Javi next year we can get some decent guard play….

  4. packgrad93 02/25/2008 at 5:16 PM #

    ““Did anyone else think Farnold Degand sucked besides me before he got hurt?”

    kind of harsh don’t you think?

  5. Wait_Til_This_Year 02/25/2008 at 5:28 PM #

    By the time Degand graduates, I think he will be significantly better than Astur was. In fairness to Engin, however, he didn’t start playing at PG until his senior year, while Degand will have more time to develop at the point. He’s also naturally faster, and a better dribbler. He will probably not be as accurate of a shooter as Atsur was, though (3 pointers or FTs).

  6. primacyone 02/25/2008 at 5:31 PM #

    SFN: This is not a Sendek debate thread. Thanks.

  7. Wait_Til_This_Year 02/25/2008 at 5:31 PM #

    I realize there may have been some pronoun confusion in my previous post. Oops. For the record, of course I meant Degand is naturally faster and a better dribbler.

  8. VaWolf82 02/25/2008 at 5:34 PM #

    Sidney did not inherit a bottom of the barrel program.

    He most certainly did. The team he inherited had no PG (one combo-guard who played point) and a total of six scholarship players. If that’s not bottom of the barrel, it’s certainly close.

    What is true is that Sid was hired to fix it….and this year doesn’t show any evidence of fixing.

  9. WolftownVA81 02/25/2008 at 5:42 PM #

    Somebody please start a fire Lee Fowler website. I’d like to put the blame for past woes on him. IMHO, Sid gets a break until the start of next season. Having said that, I do think a press conference is in order. The fans deserve some answers and accountability – if the coaching staff isn’t will do provide it, they may not get much support in the future.

  10. GAWolf 02/25/2008 at 5:43 PM #

    The worst thing that ever happened to this team this year was the run in the ACC Tourney last year. Like the good little Wolfpack fans that we all are, we bought into unreal expectations which were fueled by idiotic preseason predictions by one of the more delusional players we’ve had in years.

    I really think we can back off the ledge. Sid might not be the answer to our problems, but neither was Herb.

    Like many of you, I’ve quit watching. I’ll usually casually watch the first few minutes but haven’t watched a second half in many games. Why watch?

    Am I wrong that in the Virginia game we had more turnovers than points in the first half? I listened to the game on XM while driving and had to listen to the UVa broadcast and one of those guys screamed like it was a final four to the point my wife and I laughed so much we couldn’t hear the score/stats. But I do recall hearing 17 turnovers at some point before halftime and I think we finished the half with 18 points? If you don’t think that screams of the need for senior leadership and a point guard worth a shit, you’re wacky.

  11. WolftownVA81 02/25/2008 at 5:44 PM #

    I quit counting turnovers at 21 with 12 minutes to go.

  12. Astral Rain 02/25/2008 at 5:51 PM #

    Maybe Sid thinks it’s like the NBA Draft- and he’s increasing his chances of winning the lottery by tanking.

    Oh well, I think Sid deserves two more years to get into the tourney, but no more. If that fails, get the best we can, if that fails, we get Whittenburg and try the same thing again, except he’d have experience.

    And hope Fowler gets run over by a bus. Too bad SPAM isn’t still around NCSU to put a curse on Fowler, or maybe they did…

  13. PackGirl 02/25/2008 at 6:16 PM #

    I think Javi has surpassed Degand at this point. Except for Sunday’s game he has been steadily progressing – and everyone sucked on Sunday except for Fergie. Degand >>> MJ of course.

  14. triadwolf 02/25/2008 at 6:16 PM #

    I can’t believe some of you guys actually think we could play a fast paced offense. We can barely dribble up the floor while walking; we can’t make a sharp crisp pass while standing still and having a chance to gauge the defense; and we don’t make good decisions.

    If we ran a fast-paced, up and down offense yesterday we would have had 40 turnovers at the half.

    We don’t have the talent to compete and that takes time to fix.

    I sucks and I do not like the effort (or lack thereof), but we can’t really judge things until Sid has a chance to clean up the mess that was left for him. If he is not producing in a couple of seasons then we can bitch. Until then just suck it up like a good wolfpacker should.

  15. triadwolf 02/25/2008 at 6:17 PM #

    Sorry should be “It sucks…”

  16. Texpack 02/25/2008 at 6:17 PM #

    wbnation wrote
    “We are a sluggishly slow team on both ends of the floor. This can also mask itself as looking lackadaisical.”

    The way I differentiate lackadaisical from slow is when we have three guys jogging back on defense in transition WHO DON’T EVEN TURN AROUND TO FIND THE BALL until it is way too late. This is the kind of thing I learned playing rec league ball at age 10. My Jr. High coach would have let you hear about it if somebody blew by on a fast break and you had your back to the play.

  17. wolf 97 02/25/2008 at 6:19 PM #

    I agree we have got to give him 2 more years and Herd was sure as Hell not the answer no matter what happens.

  18. triadwolf 02/25/2008 at 6:19 PM #

    Actually in the next post game, if a few of the players responded to the questions with “I sucks”, that would be more representative than the some of the answers we’ve been hearing.

  19. SaccoV 02/25/2008 at 6:23 PM #

    My question is why is there such a complete level of denial with the players and coaches, and my guess is that something else is going on that the fans are unaware of. I think you can classify Sid’s 1st two years as “fair” at best. He does need one more year to prove his coaching and recruiting abilities, minimum; right now he is not living up to anyone’s expectations. As for Fowler, there’s no question he’s been the worst AD in NC State history, worse IMO than Todd Turner, who was atrocious. Fowler’s unwillingness to take a hard line with his coaches (see Sockerne1’s post) shows us his true character: he’s a corporate windbag who believes that if coaches get fired, then the university will not look appealing to prospective coaches. This also means that inherently Lee Fowler DOES NOT believe that NC State is worthy or able to have a competitive advantage in athletics with our neighbors to the west. I’m assuming also that he probably feels this way about our academics, too, which is one more reason you see the results athletically from our university. I personally coached one scholarship athlete who is currently competing at NC State and I hope to have a few more when I’m done. But Lee Fowler’s flat refusal to consider this university and its athletics department as an equal to UNC and Duke becomes more evident with every game, every season, and every TV promotion for our lackluster athletic achievements. I personally hope that the reckoning occurs within our beloved alma mater. All of us on the outside can see it plainly; those in charge couldn’t see it if it was written on every billboard in Raleigh. Until those in power see with our pained eyes, change will not happen.

  20. PackGirl 02/25/2008 at 6:24 PM #

    At one point we had 21 turnovers and 23 points. It was looking like we were on target for setting some kind of record – like being the only NCAA team in history to score fewer points than turnovers. I was almost hoping for it – at least we’d have some claim to fame.

  21. whitefang 02/25/2008 at 6:29 PM #

    Hell no I don’t want Sendek back.

    But how many of us really wanted Sidney Lowe? At the time many if not most of us shook our heads and said, huh? I think at the time most wanted and expected an up and coming coach at a mid-major – especially after Barnes and Calipari turned us down.
    But having said that I think we “rallied” around Lowe. We were excited with beating Duke, Carolina, and the tourney run. It was turning into a great story – alumnus and player on the last NCSU NCAA champ team comes home. Looks like he can recruit. Sure ain’t scared of the big boys. Know how hard he worked as a player. Know his leadership ability. Yeah this is gonna be good many of us thought.
    WTF happened? Yeah a little dose of reality I guess. Injuries of course. Holes not filled. Team chemistry. etc
    But what we don’t see is the hard work, the leadership, the “I ain’t gonna quit attitude” we expected as a reflection of who he was as a player. If we saw that we wouldn’t be having this exercise would we?

  22. triadwolf 02/25/2008 at 6:37 PM #

    SaccoV – that billboard thing has some merit. We should start a collection right now to put a Lee Fowler billboard up. The message should be clever and blunt. On second thought if it’s too clever Folwer probably won’t get it.

    Maybe we can also have planes pull banners at football games. We could start a full grass-roots movement!

  23. Wait_Til_This_Year 02/25/2008 at 6:45 PM #

    If NCSU BB doesn’t improve in a year or two, LOWE FOR AD!

  24. redfred2 02/25/2008 at 6:54 PM #

    “But in discussing that style further, Lowe clearly indicated he’d like a more fluid style. For example, he raved about watching Tennessee and Memphis on Saturday.

    “Very seldom did you see them run a set. They just played basketball,” he said.”

    WHOA COACH, let’s just hold up a minute right there with that statement pardner. Do you by any chance remember when the fourth year senior, the most veteran player on the team, and a player you coached this season as well as last season, had the ball clanked off his body because he was distracted and more worried about hearing the directions coming from the coaching box, than the game he was actually participating in?

    I’m mixing in some of my words right here with your own coach, when I beg you to “just (let these kids) play (something halfway similar to the brand of) basketball” you seem to enjoy watching when have a chance to sit down by the TV set. I’m almost certain that the results couldn’t be much worse than they have been and it definitely wouldn’t bother any of us WOLFPACK FANS who also enjoy watching basketball on ocassion.

  25. RAWFS 02/25/2008 at 6:56 PM #

    I think Javi has surpassed Degand at this point. Except for Sunday’s game he has been steadily progressing

    Can’t argue with that. And he’s probably hitting the freshman wall. So has Hickson for that matter.

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