NC State 74 SC State 49 (Updated Sunday)

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A lot of different guys played legitimate minutes for the Wolfpack today. State ‘advances’ to 5-3 despite shooting 2 of 16 from the three-point line and 18-30 from the free throw line.

Of note:
* Javi Gonzalez played more minutes than Farnold Degand
* Tracy Smith played double figure minutes (but went 0-4 from the free throw line).
* Simon Harris also played a lot in the first half (so, it wasn’t just mop-up minutes).

If you are a little concerned about the final score, note that State led 60-33 with almost thirteen minutes remaining when Gavin Grant and JJ Hickson were relegated to the bench for the rest of the game. We did not score another basket for approximately nine minutes.

More from ACCNow is available here.

State coach Sidney Lowe used more players, 10 in the first half, perhaps sending a message to incumbents like Courtney Fells who played only four minutes in the first half, that anyone unwilling to play defense or rebound will not be on the floor.

ACCNow also highlighted what we proposed as NC State’s most important key to having a good season after the first game of the year – outside shooting from the point guard position. (Obviously, we presumed that any college basketball team would be able to play adequate defense and rebound)

As we said before – the Wolfpack does not need a point guard to make 3 to 5 three pointers per game for us to succeed. What we need is for our point guard to simply hit the majority of 3-point attempts when they are WIDE – I mean WIDE – open.

Our offense – and the zone defenses that we will see because of the strength of our front court – will create two or three WIDE open looks for the point guard. It’s just that simple. Hitting those shots from the point guard position will ultimately create an inordinate impact on our performance.

The N&O expressed it as follows on Saturday:

Degand went three straight possessions without taking the shot, but finally stepped into the gap of the zone and knocked down the 3. If N.C. State is going to be better than the team that started 4-3, Degand, or Javier Gonzalez, has to be able to reprise Engin Atsur’s role at point guard.

That means one of the two, or Tennessee transfer Marques Johnson who’s eligible to play against Davidson on Dec. 21, has to be able to knock down an outside shot.

Clearly Hickson’s good enough to handle the inside portion of the equation, but even an undersized team like S.C. State had some degree of success in double-teaming him on Saturday.

The inside-out philosophy doesn’t work without the out.

For more from the game, wufpup76 shared a lot of insight in our comments section at 5:13 pm on Saturday. Please feel free to share your thoughts and observations.

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85 Responses to NC State 74 SC State 49 (Updated Sunday)

  1. redfred2 12/19/2007 at 8:56 PM #

    The reason I said Grant is because he is second in 3 point shooting percentages. As far as defense goes, it seems we’re not in good shape with any player on the team right now. JJ plays tough inside but it’s mainly altering shots or shot blocking. Which is good, but he needs to play for the block less often and hold his position for rebounding purposes. One nice block from JJ and just his presence will alter some later shots.

    I think we’re playing a bad offensive scheme right now which only magnifies the poor effort on the defensive end. I say put an emphasis on running and pressure on offense and that intensity will eventually spill over into the defensive aspect. At the moment, there are no opportunities for anyone to get hyped up anywhere on the court. If that’s possible and we start running and scoring because of more intensity and a faster pace, I’m pretty sure that defense will follow suit.

  2. packgrad93 12/20/2007 at 9:35 AM #

    “If Paul was handed to Skip, it was by Sendek and his dynamic personality and charisma.”

    no, Paul grew up near Wake was going there regardless who coached NCSU.

    “Apparently, stagnating at Wake Forest was still a “much better situation” than years of Sendek.”

    dang right it was.
    5 years preceeding Herb:
    19-60 in the ACC, ACC tourney play-in game named after coach & 0 post-season appearences.
    5 years preceeding Skip:
    40-40 in the ACC, 3 NIT & 2 NCAA appearences.

    “I like how you gloss over the “senior laden” parts and how this was after a decade of Sendek.”

    you mean like how you “gloss over” the current players not playing for Herb when Grant did, Costner was inj & Fells/Ben were true frosh behind Cam & Ced.

    “Why couldn’t Herb recruit an elite level point guard for more than a decade? ”

    Hodge, Engin, Bethel were good PGs. C. Wright would have been also.

  3. redfred2 12/20/2007 at 6:31 PM #

    Atsur and Hodge were “good” players and great to have on our team, but I wouldn’t classify either as a true point guard. Bethel tranferred from G’town and he was definitely needed at NC State, but to consider him as a really “good” PG in the ACC, is pretty much s t r e t c h i n g it.

    Packgrad93, you didn’t respond, but can you admit that anyone could have improved NC State’s BB program after Les Robinson had already struggled through the NCAA sanctions period for them?

  4. packgrad93 12/21/2007 at 8:25 AM #

    ^ I guess by the same token anyone can recruit/coach at unc since players come to them & anyone can coach that much talent.

  5. redfred2 12/21/2007 at 11:46 AM #

    ^What does that have to do with anything I asked??? Please tell me how maintaining a top level program even relates to taking over one that’s at it’s lowest point.

    Wait, don’t answer that. ANSWER the first question.

  6. packgrad93 12/21/2007 at 2:20 PM #

    Don’t think just anyone could have done what Herb did & the way he did it.

  7. redfred2 12/21/2007 at 3:45 PM #

    Well, like they say, everyone has an opinion.

    Speaking of off the court, for his players, and the “image” of the BB program over those ten years, please tell me why/how you think Herb Sendek did such an outstanding job along those lines that it is somehow so much ABOVE what all of the other coaches in the ACC did during that exact same time period?

    Please site the bad examples of other ACC basketball coaches that weren’t at all concerned about academics, or the general welfare of their players during that same time period, so I can try to understand where all of the accolades for Herb come from.

  8. redfred2 12/21/2007 at 4:38 PM #

    ^I know that post will not be answered, by anyone.

  9. Wulfpack 12/22/2007 at 6:54 AM #

    ^Red, we’ve been through this countless times. It really doesn’t matter what me or you or anyone else thinks for that matter. But since you asked and believe that no one has the balls to answer, I will answer b/c my belief has not changed nor will it.

    My belief is that Mr. Sendek did a very good job at restoring a sense of pride in the basketball program at NC State. He was not the end all, but he out performed his predecessor by a considerable margin. He placed the program in the upper half of the ACC, and often times close to the top, which I think we all will agree is much better than being the 8th or 9th team in a 9 team ACC. We were an absolute embarrassment. When he left, we were and are not. That is likely where the basis for our disagreement derives — it’s generational. See, when I was coming up, NC State was a joke. I was laughed at for being a Wolfpack fan by all my Duke and UNC friends. When you were (probably), we won a national championship. That is your expectation. We are light years away from winning one of those today. We obviously have a lot of progress to make and I hope to see it one day.

    In short, I thought he conducted himself well and with integrity, he recruited good solid players that did not get in trouble with the law, and he is well respected in the coaching community. He looked after this program and left it in good standing. He was a giant step up from Mr. Robinson, there is absolutely no question about it. If you believe that he was not, well then it is clear that your utter disdain for the man will mask all reasonable objectivity.

    As far as what he did in relation to other ACC coaches at the time, as I’ve said before, he had his day in the sun with all of them except the two that we just cannot seem to shake. In the end, that was his undoing. I will grant you that he did not have the balls to go head-to-head with those guys, and yes, it irked me. But the other side of the same coin shows that no one else in the ACC is up to snuff against those guys on a consistent basis either. We are dealing with two behemoths, two hall of fame coaches, in our very own backyard. That in no way does not mean that we cannot hope to compete with them. But you have to tell me what we have done since the miracle run that makes you believe that we are in any way worthy of that elite status today. I do not like either of those guys, but I do respect the hell out of the both of them because they have done it, they are doing it, and I don’t think they are about to stop any time soon. Are we up for the challenge? Only time will tell.

  10. redfred2 12/22/2007 at 9:39 AM #

    Finally, someone steps up with more than a sentence, that doesn’t answer a thing, and a well thought out and worthy response.

    “He was a giant step up from Mr. Robinson,”

    I have no argument there. Les Robinson was not a good BB coach to begin with, and on top of that he was even further handicapped by severe NCAA sanctions. I openly admit that Sendek was a definite improvement. But I’ll ask, who wouldn’t have been?

    As far as a the “utter disdain” goes, the only reason I can’t stomach all of the accolades that some of you guys heap on Herb, is that the landscape of basketball has drastically changed, it’s soooo much easier to get an NCAA bid nowadays, and a lot of you act like his “five straight” accomplishment is somehow comparable to those of NC State’s past, which it is not.

    Also, there seems to be all kinds of attention to these types of comments, “I thought he conducted himself well and with integrity”, and the question I’d like answered most, is where does that all come from? How do you guys figure that Herb separated himself, and was so different from how other ACC coaches conducted themselves during that same time period? I mean, Herb was quiet, reserved, even bland if you will, and never said anything controversial at all, even when maybe he should have, but besides that, what did he do to receive all of this never ending praise? I just do not see it, especially when I look at his contemporaires in the ACC.

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