BBall: One Small Reason Why I’m Scared

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It’s been a week now since NC State was thoroughly embarassed by Michigan State on a night where the Wolfpack looked lethargic, played little defense and continued to exhibit NO desire to rebound. (I would typically link to the entries related to the loss but they are so ugly that I just can’t).

As I previoulsy mentioned in another entry, at the beginning of the season I projected State to be 4-2 at this point in the season. Despite State’s 4-2 start coupled with a solid #51 RPI while playing the 33rd most difficult schedule in the country, there are A LOT of reasons why Wolfpack fans are a little on edge at the moment.

The ‘macro’ issues of team chemistry, rebounding, defense, effort/energy and free throw shooting have been highlighted in previous entries and comments. This entry from the always good Section Six breaks down some individual statistics worth noting and touches on some of the team chemistry issues:

In many cases, when there’s a player with a usage around 30%, it’s indicative of a good player playing on a team without much of a supporting cast–Bo McCalebb, for instance. But JJ Hickson has plenty of help. Maybe it’s a little bit of “look, shiny new power forward!” syndrome, but more likely, if the chemistry issues are as significant as they appear to be, it’s an indication that the rest of the team can’t figure out how to play with him. Or that when they get him the ball in the post, they give up on the possession. Could they really resent him that much?

I don’t think JJ is being selfish, and his turnovers have inflated his usage to a certain extent, but if Lowe doesn’t think the offense is broken simply because Costner and McCauley have been terrible, the alternative conclusion is that it’s broken because it’s become a single-minded exercise in getting JJ Hickson the basketball. Regardless, there is no fluidity in what we are doing right now. Everyone looks like a square peg attempting to fit into a round hole.

Lowe’s tried to smooth things over by putting McCauley back into the starting lineup, giving him more time with Costner, and bringing Hickson off the bench. But while Ben’s minutes have increased, his productivity hasn’t. And we can’t afford to play Hickson any less–not only is he productive offensively, he’s a shot blocking threat at the defensive end and the team’s best rebounder. So everybody’s gonna have to figure their shit out while JJ is on the floor. There is no other option. We don’t have the luxury of attempting to work the situation out in practice while integrating him into games gradually. He’s far too talented for that, and as a team we are too weak where he is strong.

Despite all of these larger issues that have been discussed through the first month of the 2007-08 season, I have one tee-tiny-little reason why the severity of the beat down in East Lansing is so bothersome – I’m not convinced that the Spartans are really THAT good.

Last night, Michigan State barely survived an upset by Bradley. Ok, that’s just one game. And, don’t forget that this team had UCLA on the ropes before losing to the Bruins by five.

But, take a look at MSU’s schedule for a moment. Need I remind you that the Spartans lost an exhibition game AT HOME to a Div III opponent? This team barely beat Oakland by 4 points and squeaked by a 5-3 Missouri team (currently #79 in the RPI) by only two. I give Michigan State all the credit in the world for PERFORMING like a Top 10 / Top 15 team thusfar this season. But, when I see that the Spartans struggled against some of these lesser teams and defeated NC State by a margin in the same ballpark as Chicago State and Jacksonville State I can’t help but worry about where our boys’ development currently stands.

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101 Responses to BBall: One Small Reason Why I’m Scared

  1. beowolf 12/05/2007 at 8:07 PM #

    I think Costner is exhibiting classic sophomore-slump right now, and that this will pass.

  2. Wolfman 9806 12/05/2007 at 8:26 PM #

    The lack of any production and leadership at the point will ultimately doom this team this year. I really fear that this could be an “Amato-type” basketball year in which we fail miserably to meet our preseason projections.

  3. Girlfriend in a Coma 12/05/2007 at 8:29 PM #

    ^ Again, I find the criticism and proactive blaming of Degand ludicrous given the way he has played as compared to the rest of the team (except Hickson).

  4. RabidWolf 12/05/2007 at 8:52 PM #

    The bigs need to get back to basics…..when a shot goes up, get in the freaking paint and put a butt on somebody!! BOX THE HELL OUT!!! Right now, the entire team is simply watching the ball to see if the shot is gonna drop. Be a player!! WE will take care of the spectating.

  5. Trip 12/05/2007 at 9:37 PM #

    Degand is better off than everyone else because he hasn’t made a lot of mistakes. The problem with him is that he doesn’t make a lot of assists either… which means that he’s not running the offense, which is what our team needs at this point in time. So he’s not doing anything really negative, but he’s also not doing anything really positive.

  6. burnbarn 12/05/2007 at 9:50 PM #

    GF makes some nice points that are hard to argue.

    WHile DeGand is not yet up to speed he certainly is playing better than most on the team.. JJ and Dennis are the others. DeGand is leading the team in assists and is not turning the ball over a much as our forwards. I think coach wants our O to run through the bigs as much as the PGs and therefore the PG on THIS year’s team will not likely have as many assists as those previously deified.

    This team does have me worried, but I think they will be an NCAA team (bubblish perhaps) but will be a beast by the end of the season.

    GF is playing with matches on the fire/ice conclusions..HA!!

  7. BJD95 12/05/2007 at 10:09 PM #

    Agree with the Smiths fan – on our entire roster, exactly 2 players have met or exceeded reasonable pre-season expectations: Hickson and Degand. When I went to the R/W game and was impressed with both of them, I thought we were gold. I didn’t expect the rest of the team to go into the crapper.

  8. rillbidge 12/05/2007 at 10:19 PM #

    First post here people. I’m going to keep it brief. We’re are such a new looking team Just learning to play together. Lots of talent but it’s not all about that. It’s going take a while.

    Let’s just see if the intensity it there. I think it will be by the end of the season. Right now it’s not. Especially on defense.

    I have to comment about Degand. He’s very green. Still learning the offense. We spend a lot of the first part of the shot clock doing nothing. Then with ten seconds left… he drives and looks to dish or shoot. That will have to change if we are going to be a team that competes. We need to be more aggresive during the early part of the shot clock.

    IMO I think we’ll progress. I have faith in Sid. You can just feel that it may be a long regular season but this team will be ready come tournament time.

    Go Pack!

  9. RabidWolf 12/05/2007 at 10:27 PM #

    What ever happened to drive and dish…the pick and roll or the pick and pop? Seems to me that these particular basic plays have been relatively non-existant early this season. If these VERY BASIC plays are regularly used, like last year, a flow will develop and success will follow.

  10. redfred2 12/05/2007 at 10:47 PM #

    “Again, I find the criticism and proactive blaming of Degand ludicrous given the way he has played as compared to the rest of the team (except Hickson).”

    I couldn’t agree more!!!

    Even if Costner and McCauley aren’t getting the ball as much as last year, and even when they do they aren’t producing consistently anyway, those two players should still be hustling their asses off and working hard everywhere else, especially on the boards. Being confused about your role with a new line up is one thing, but just idly watching and not hustling off the ball, or even trying to get into the flow unless they have the basketball in their hands is very disappointing to me.

    Those two guys make up two thirds of a BIG frontcourt, but they are getting outplayed and manhandled by guys a half foot shorter than they are.

    Degand’s stats aren’t overwhelming, but they are consistent and positive. To this point neither McCauley or Costner can say that.

  11. wayofthemaster 12/05/2007 at 10:57 PM #
  12. redfred2 12/05/2007 at 11:12 PM #

    ^Thanks for the link, but I hate that crap, and right now more than ever. That kind of press isn’t going to help us one bit in the team cohesion department.

  13. ShootingGuard 12/06/2007 at 12:03 AM #

    ^

    Girlfriend, if you don’t think the last coach to win a title of any kind at State, a pg who left with over 1000 assists as the ACC leader, and the all-time leading scorer at State do not deserve to be deified a little bit…you must worship a golden calf or a cactus or something.

    For the record, I was not cutting on Degand—I was cutting on State fans who somehow did not expect that there would be major growing pains replacing Atsur and working in a guy who had never played a minute of college ball before a few games ago and who, through no fault of his own at this point, lacks the leadership respect and jumpshot that Atsur had. It is not a cut on Degand to tell the truth and say that he is just ok at this point. Yes, he is improving, and, yes, I like his effort A LOT better than several of the other guys so far, but, to date, he will not give us an edge over too many point guards in the ACC. If he could, that would be a big plus, but he can’t right now. If that changes as he continues to improve, GREAT. If not, that is no fault of his own. He seems to be trying his best, and I don’t blame him for not being Tony Parker. Sid asked him to join up when we were desperate, and I am glad he came to help.

    If you don’t think college is a guard’s game, you are pretty foolish. JJ is great, but he can’t pass to himself. He can’t set himself up. He can’t free himself up from double and triple teams by making outside shots for himself.

  14. choppack1 12/06/2007 at 12:53 AM #

    It’s too early to panic…but thus far this is what I’ve seen:
    We aren’t getting easy baskets.
    We aren’t rebounding OR creating TO’s – that’s pretty much a recipe for disaster.
    The JJ factor has hurt our chemistry. It’s not his fault, but roles are changig and need to change more. Everyone – including JJ – has to improve.
    I was hoping that the effort and intensity we saw in the ACC tourney and the NIT run would carry over to this year. It hasn’t so far.
    The best news is that we can improve and become a very good team.

  15. wufpup76 12/06/2007 at 2:27 AM #

    question regarding the team’s defensive play –

    does anyone know how many charges we’ve drawn this season? i’ve got season tickets and usually record and re-watch the tv games and i can’t think of one instance when we’ve stepped in and tried to draw a charge against dribble penetration or opposing fast breaks

    case in point – the Fells intentional foul against Bo M. from UNO … if courtney at least attempts to draw a charge there then at worst it’s a blocking foul or possible 3-pt. play opportunity and they don’t get the ball back (but i digress)

    anyway, if anyone can think of any time we’ve tried to take a charge please let me know 🙂 i think this could possibly help some of the defensive woes … time to let go of last year’s “loose man-to-man to stay out of foul trouble” defense

  16. ShootingGuard 12/06/2007 at 2:32 AM #

    ^

    Girlfriend, I failed to mention how ridiculous it was for you to cut down Corch and Monroe’s accomplishments while glossing over the fact that they had to play through the absolute worst time in State basketball history. You think they might have been able to achieve more in their upper class years if it weren’t for the scandal? Gee, do you think they might have been able to accomplish something their junior year IF they had been allowed to play in the NCAA’s? Was that their fault? Do you think they might have had a better run in their senior year had they not had a coaching change and been short on players? Hmmm. Freshman year, early NCAA exit—not totally unheard of. Sophomore year, one call away from Final 8 and who knows what could have happened there. Junior year, oops, not allowed to play in NCAA’s. Senior year, suffer through nightmare Valvano exit and Les arrival, still make NCAA’s and win a game. Not bad. Just think how bad that team would have been without great guards!

  17. waxhaw 12/06/2007 at 9:24 AM #

    It’s hard not to wonder how things would be different if Chris Wright had decided to run with the pack.

  18. GoldenChain 12/06/2007 at 10:06 AM #

    “I think part of what this illustrates is Hickson’s lack of kicking the ball out to the open man. He gets the ball, gets double or triple teamed, puts his head down, and goes to the hoop and throws up a shot.”

    Hey Jimmy V, are you suggesting that the guy shooting 73% kick it out to the guys shooting 41% and less?!
    Yeah, I guess your right, JJ being a ball hog must be the problem.

  19. zahadum 12/06/2007 at 10:16 AM #

    Regarding the idea that Degand is doing ok, but not creating a lot of assists, let me toss out some context. He is averaging 3 assists per game with an assist to turnover ratio of 2.0.

    By comparison, 2 time national champ and current pro Taurean Green last year averaged 3.7 with a ratio of 1.37.

    The one who doesn’t get any assists is Fells. Of our top six in minutes played he’s last in that category.

  20. BillyTheKid 12/06/2007 at 10:42 AM #

    The 1990 team was “not allowed to play in the NCAAs” because they went 6-8 in the ACC. I’m not sure it had anything to do with the scandel.

  21. noah 12/06/2007 at 11:04 AM #

    “The 1990 team was “not allowed to play in the NCAAs” because they went 6-8 in the ACC. I’m not sure it had anything to do with the scandel.”

    Yes, it did. Had we gone 14-0, it would not have mattered. We were banned from postseason play that year. The NCAA Major Infractions Database is online, open to the public and will provide you with all the information you need on this.

  22. burnbarn 12/06/2007 at 11:33 AM #

    One thing Degand has that other PG in the conference do not have is good size. he has made some nice plays this season after getting beat by virtue of his size.

    To another poster i recall Horner picking up a few charges.

  23. Rick 12/06/2007 at 11:35 AM #

    I am not sure what to think right now.
    This team is in alot of flux so I am hestitant to judge too quickly.
    At the same time I see some things tha concern me greatly.
    PG play is not one of them. IMO all we need our PG to do is not screw up, make occasional jumpers and sometimes create shots. Degand has been doing that.
    It seems the big three (Fells, Costner and Big Mac) are not pulling their load. For whatever reason they are not getting it done.
    Hopefully the ship will be righted.

  24. Girlfriend in a Coma 12/06/2007 at 11:51 AM #

    Against Michigan State, Ben logged 21 minutes and scored no points and had no rebounds.

  25. Girlfriend in a Coma 12/06/2007 at 11:57 AM #

    As far as Corch and Monroe — love them. Great players. I’m just making the point that having fantastic guards is apparently no panacea. Just pointing out that a PG with over 1000 assists and a SG who owns our school scoring record, who played all 4 years together with no injury problems, still managed to accomplish “jack squat” in the postseason while they were here. If guards are the key to everything in basketball there is no way this could be true.

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