(UPDATED 10:25pm) We Don’t Think This Was One Of Grant’s Four Predicted Losses: UNO 65, NC State 63

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After watching both performances turned in by this year’s Wolfpack, it is already clear to me that we will be facing two primary challenges/hurdles that need to be overcome if we are going to have a successful 2007-2008 Basketball campaign:

(1) Effectively managing minutes, playing time, and egos.
(2) Outside shooting.

Neither of these items was unexpected heading into this season, but effects of both issues couldn’t be more obvious after two games.

The guard rotation of Farnold Degand, Dennis Horner, Javi Gonzalez, Courtney Fells and Trevor Ferguson simply MUST nail open three pointers when provided the opportunity. We aren’t suggesting that they need to be Terry Gannon out there…but, these guys will be provided anywhere between 4 and 10 WIDE OPEN jumpers per game and they simply MUST nail the attempt (for points AND to open the floor for our big men) if the Wolfpack expects to win 20+ games this season.

Tonight, this group shot 2 of 10 from behind the three point arc and Trevor Ferguson didin’t even attempt a shot in twelve minutes of playing time.

Speaking of Ferguson, after reviewing tonight’s game we (unfortunately) uncovered a phenomenon we now think is called the “Trevor Tremor” to describe the impact to the scoreboard that takes place when Ferguson is on the floor. Tonight, NC State was outscored 20-7 in the twelve minutes Ferguson was on the floor. (We only lost by two points).

(a) In the first half, Ferguson entered at the 14:44 mark with the Pack up 13-9; he exited the game with Pack down 13-16 with 9:32 remaining.

(b) In the second half, Ferguson entered the game with State ahead 41-33; he left with 8:17 remaining and State holding just 48-46 lead.

Coach Lowe needs to scrap this concept of a 10-man roster if we aren’t going to press &/or exert more effort on defense. What is the point of playing 10 men if the players don’t play hard enough to get tired when they are out there? Hell, you could play your 7 or 8 best players and have a much better opportunity of winning games if you aren’t playing a pressuring defense.

State’s bench of Gonzalez, Ferguson, McCauley, Smith and Horner scored only three points in 52 minutes of play! ‘The bench’ combined for 1 of 11 shooting from the field on offense; and whomever Ferguson was supposed to be guarding played with the confidence and offensive proficiency of Michael Jordan.

In short, the following contributed to tonight’s unexpected and unacceptable upset:

– Continued poor shooting from the outside (31.2% from the three point line)
– Lazy Defense
– Idiotic intentional foul
– No emotion
– Lack of intensity and focus
(a) just look at the free throw shooting of 52.6%
(b) we were OUT REBOUNDED by a team who fielded a significantly shorter player than us at EVERY position.


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94 Responses to (UPDATED 10:25pm) We Don’t Think This Was One Of Grant’s Four Predicted Losses: UNO 65, NC State 63

  1. Stoner 11/18/2007 at 10:42 PM #

    If i was Sid, the moment I noticed the team was flat-footed, I would do a wholesale substitution, 5 new players. Yes sir. Homies need team-building.

    He kind of did this in the second half, for a stretch, where Grant was the only starter.

  2. PurplePeopleEaters 11/18/2007 at 10:43 PM #

    Sorry about the double post. Internet issues.

    I know what I said is not a very popular comment but there were times when 3 people were wide open calling for the ball and Hickson was in his own world all alone under the basket in a triple team. As I said, I love his play and all but teams are going to start shutting him down and he’s going to have to learn to pass the ball up when there’s no way he’s going to make the shot. Obviously he’s not the reason we lost… JJ and Gavin were the only reasons we were even in that game.

  3. Stoner 11/18/2007 at 10:44 PM #

    As much as I like Hickson, he never passes.

    Our perimeter shooting has been terrible this year, so far.

    I’d rather see Hickson force it up and maybe get fouled.

  4. JeremyH 11/18/2007 at 10:49 PM #

    Horner played 11 minutes, do not understand why our best shooter plays that much when we are cold shooting.

  5. DT44 11/18/2007 at 10:50 PM #

    the other unmentioned issue is defense—NO’s final run was all about beating our guys off the dribble. One guy even went the length of the floor to score after a MADE BASKET by us…

  6. atlas 11/18/2007 at 10:51 PM #

    Setting aside the terrible decisions at the end of the game, I saw piss poor guard play all night. No sets, Ferg had way too many minutes, and Degand thought he was playing forward.
    (Javi showed promise though)

    With out team and coaching performance, we deserve this loss.

  7. Packster 11/18/2007 at 10:52 PM #

    Lots of questions peeps. Well…this is where we see what El Sid can do. The points guards have to run the team. They need a lot of work. Sid and Monte were both PGs. They should be able to get this mess straightened out. I agree that in a triple team, Hickson should at least take a look around for the open man. He could overpower these guys but in ACC play he will get shut down at least some of the time.

  8. JeremyH 11/18/2007 at 10:54 PM #

    9 blocked shots, wow. oh UNO shot 12 more shots then us… huh?

  9. PurplePeopleEaters 11/18/2007 at 10:55 PM #

    Maybe this will set a fire under our team like the UNC Santa Clara loss. I can hope, right?

  10. JeremyH 11/18/2007 at 10:57 PM #

    both Horner and Costner went 0-3 from three points? Given the attention Hickson gets those should be relatively open shots, and 0-3 from them never happens. But are Horner and Costner “live and die by three” types of players or do they have more to offer? Or is there not enough space on in the paint?

  11. JimValvano 11/18/2007 at 11:03 PM #

    Costner gained too much weight. He looks fat. He can’t move and that makes him look lazy (I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt). When he wouldn’t dive on the floor for the loose ball…Coach took him out. If I were Coach…he wouldn’t have gotten back in.

    Hickson is a monster…however…he’s one of those monsters that eats the ball. Sure, he shoots 60% from the floor…but he could shoot 70% and we’d shoot a higher clip from the perimeter if he’d pass outta double and triple teams.

    McCauley didn’t look all that bad…just didn’t ever really get the minutes to get in a groove. To me, he was more impressive than Costner no matter what the stats.

    The intentional foul at the end of the game was a tough call. Fells grabbed the guy to keep from injuring him. Reminded me of Magic fouling Isiah in the NBA finals.

    Gavin Grant is gonna need to be our leader. If Costner would lose twenty pounds…he could step up and be our leader, but as of right now…Gavin will have to do.

    The point guard play didn’t lose the game tonight. The focus needs to be elsewhere. We all said before the season we just needed our guards to not lose the game. They didn’t.

    Oh, and we’re still gonna be really good. Upsets happen. We’ll learn from it and bounce back.

  12. Wulfpack 11/18/2007 at 11:05 PM #

    “last year State took care of business.”

    Not really. Some nice moments, but nothing close to where we expect to be. Didn’t show up for a few and certainly didn’t show up tonight.

  13. McLovin 11/18/2007 at 11:09 PM #

    UNO had 5 guys in the paint on defense practically the entire game.

    if we dont get our act together from 3 point range, we’re not looking good

    PS – Do these refs not get it? Fells was merely trying to give that guy a congratulatory hug for playing with intensity throughout the game. Nothing more.

  14. tvp1 11/18/2007 at 11:12 PM #

    Don’t take this wrong…I love Sid. But he still has a lot to prove. Yes, the end of last year was wonderful. But we have been down this road before with a first year coach taking a ragtag bunch to greater heights than expected – with Herb, with Chuck.

    Sid has been deified by a large portion of our fanbase just like Chuck was. We had people calling for us to be a final four team. Everyone was getting a little big-headed too quickly. It’s going to take time for Sid to build this program into a consistent winner…and there is no guarantee that it will happen.

    We had a few games last year like this one, games where our effort was not there against a weak opponent. Last year they could have been blamed on fatigue. Not this year. Maybe this game will be a wake-up call – it had better be, or otherwise we will derail this season before it even gets going.

  15. JeremyH 11/18/2007 at 11:13 PM #

    McLovin: that’s the part that makes it sting. shouldn’t have lost this regardless of the play and coaching. that foul changed the game we had thought we won. but thinking we had won it put us in that position.

  16. 70wolf 11/18/2007 at 11:17 PM #

    Last years chemistry appears completely gone. Macauley and Costner appear in the shadow of JJ. Play like this in the ACC and we will go 0-16 cause they will double team and foul out JJ every night.

    I agree on the Fergy question – What the hell is he doing out there ??

  17. Trip 11/18/2007 at 11:22 PM #

    Positives

    +Grant, Hickson played well, and a great wake up call for the team, I think we’ll be much better after this.

    Negatives
    -Team chemistry is off, but that’s what happens when you go from a starting 5/6 that never changes, to a 10 man lineup.

    ????
    -Who would procreate children and damn them with the last name “Dykes”?

    As others have said, we need a leader badly, and it cannot be Hickson… one of the upperclassmen are going to have to step up.

    I posted it in the last game thread, and i’ll say it again, I can definitely see Johnson taking over as the lead point guard with Javi subbing in come December. I know it’s hard to say a lot from a red/white game but I was far more impressed with Johnson’s “Running the show” than Degands.

  18. McLovin 11/18/2007 at 11:30 PM #

    Two reasons why Degand cannot be our point guard/floor leader:

    1) Missed both free throws with one minute left in the game

    2) Threw up a shot with no chance of going in with a 1-point lead in the last minute (Did anyone notice that on that play Fells and Grant just stood there…)

  19. noah 11/18/2007 at 11:31 PM #

    Fells grabbed the guy because he can’t play defense. He grabbed the guy and tackled him. It had nothing to do with someone getting hurt.

    I remain mystified by the talk of Brandon Coster going pro. He must play some sport I don’t know about.

  20. packgrad2000 11/18/2007 at 11:38 PM #

    OK I didn’t get to see the game, but let’s keep some things in perspective. Good teams lose to lesser teams all the time at the beginning of the season. Who was it UNC lost to in November 2004 when they went on to win the NCAA’s? I can’t remember.
    Teams that are playing their best basketball in November usually can’t keep that going in March. Still, you don’t want to be losing to New Orleans, but there’s a whole lot of basketball left to be played.
    So, this could either be a good wake-up call, or it could be a bad sign of things to come. We’ll just have to wait and see.

  21. Primewolf 11/18/2007 at 11:41 PM #

    Coach has to do some defensive coaching. I do not understand why Fergy even gets on the court. He is terrible and can’t guard my grandmother.

  22. E-RO 11/18/2007 at 11:46 PM #

    I’d be a lot more concerned if this was happening in January or Feb.

  23. PurplePeopleEaters 11/18/2007 at 11:46 PM #

    I’m looking at our schedule right now and UNC is our first ACC game of the year… This does not bode well for a team that looks like it’s going to take a while to get it’s crap together.

  24. StateFans 11/19/2007 at 12:13 AM #

    I noticed behavior from McCauley during the W&M game that bothered me. He was disassociated from the team and wouldn’t communicate with other players on the floor.

    Tonight, I saw the following post on a Pack Pride message board:

    I was at the Bill & Mary game, and watched tonight on TV (gave tickets to my son and his buddies). In both games when the media timeouts were called and the team went to the sidelines I did not see McCauley high five anyone or even seem to want to participate in the huddles. Costner and Ben look like they are pouting on the sidelines and in the game. Costner is not a lottery pick, or even NBA material. If he works his butt off and puts out the effort, he can be a very good college player. This seems to be a growing problem in college sports, i.e., the player’s egos getting bigger and bigger, which leads to chemistry problems. Ben needs to have a conversation with Marcus Stone about his responsibilities to the team. Costner diddo.

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