Want a Real Coach? Grobe to Michigan?

Its that time of year where we just can’t help but be interested in the coaching developments happening all across the country. (See our entry from last week)

In addition to the big names that are already on the move (or presumed to be ) at Michigan, Arkansas, Nebraska and Texas A&M…SFN is hearing elevated rumors about Chan Gainley at Georgia Tech and even a potential retirement that could be in the works down in Tallahassee. Additionally, Phil Fulmer and Tommy Bowden probably have delayed their potential ‘executions’ (with all due respect to Nick Saban) for another year.

Then you have interesting names like Tommy Tuberville whose names get thrown out there as candidates.

In the middle of the discussions and speculation that is swirling today, we were particularly interested in Ivan Maisel’s comments in this article

Among other names that will be discussed (for the Michigan job) amongst the public is Wake Forest head coach Jim Grobe, a Midwesterner who believes in physical football. Grobe’s teams are known for playing hard for 60 minutes, and he is greatly respected by his peers.

Grobe, however, is not a “Michigan Man.” Asked whether the next coach should have that quality, Carr said, “Well, you remember a guy named Schembechler? He wasn’t a Michigan Man. Fritz Crisler wasn’t a Michigan Man. Fielding Yost wasn’t a Michigan Man. I know this: Bill wants to hire the finest coach in the country.”

As you watch this year’s developments, we suggest that you also pay attention to fan bases who are voicing their concerns but do NOT make a move this year. Remember last year when Arkansas fans were all over Houston Nutt and fans at both Nebraska and Texas A&M were expressing elevated levels of concern? It’s not hard to believe that Notre Dame fans are struggling with the job that Charlie Weiss is doing…but it is difficult to understand South Carolina fans already complaining about the Old Ball Coach!

Quite often the current year’s frustrations turn into the following year’s firings.

A lot of these schools would do well to consider the coaches listed in this very good article that we wanted to link.

(1) Paul Johnson, Navy
(2) Brian Kelly, Cincy
(3) Chris Hatcher, Georgia Southern
(4) Bobby Hauck, Montana
(5) Skip Holtz, ECU

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22 Responses to Want a Real Coach? Grobe to Michigan?

  1. packbackr04 11/21/2007 at 4:44 PM #

    i hear Butch is in negotiations with UNC for a contract extension. just a rumor though. what a whore, does he really deserve an extension after a 4-8 yr?

  2. packbackr04 11/21/2007 at 5:18 PM #

    actually just heard on the radio, Butch did get an extension, its a meager $291,000/yr raise. god he just bent the rams club over and slid it right on in there. where does Arkansas go from here?

  3. MatSci94 11/21/2007 at 6:02 PM #

    I wonder if Weiss’ issues at ND are about adjusting to the recruiting aspect of college football. Weiss had good sucess early (with Willingham’s recruits) and are now strugling after their star QB left (sounds familliar).

    I think this is going to be something BC may face in the next few years as well. Logan said on his radio show that he didn’t like recruiting, and I heard rumors that he had it in his contract that he would not have recruiting duties.

    On a side note, I’d like to see another postseason award, the Chuck Amato award, for the coach with the most nonsensical press conference, with Saban as the inagural winner.

  4. BoKnowsNCS71 11/21/2007 at 6:21 PM #

    I was in Ann arbor Monday. One thing that folks said there was that there have only been 2 coaches who were not alumni. One was bo Schembeckler from Ohio) and Lloyd Carr. They felt the next coach would be within the family. They also told me that Les Miles had already bought/built a house there. Although that could be as wishful as the Bill Cowher rumors were — I think the next coach will be from LSU.

  5. BoKnowsNCS71 11/21/2007 at 6:22 PM #

    Oh and the Michigan AD announced that there would be no information on the coaching search until after the Bowl games were over.

  6. john of sparta 11/21/2007 at 6:25 PM #

    the AiDS award? Amato/Davis/Sagan.

  7. gopack968 11/21/2007 at 6:49 PM #

    Holding out for a coach from ‘within the family’ is a mistake. Look at the recent NC State/UNC/and probably Maryland examples. Only one is left six years later and all three programs suffered. None of those ‘family’ coaches had experience running a major D1 program and the schools suffered for it.

    The best coach ‘gets,’ year in and out, are when a major school finds someone with experience and success a level down the rung and promotes them to the big time. This is particularly true in football – 85+ players, 15 coaches and assistants, multi-million dollar budgets, and crowds in the tens of thousands. There is no substitute for experience.

    Get the best you can and pay him enough to stay. There will always be whores like Butch, but the Paul Johnsons, Jim Grobes, and TOBs are men of their word. Commitment means something.

  8. BoKnowsNCS71 11/21/2007 at 6:52 PM #

    Les Miles is within the family for UM.

  9. vtpackfan 11/21/2007 at 7:14 PM #

    In Grobes case, first time the connatation “mid westerner” has been applied to someone from West “by god” Virgina.

    No one get too much on Butch’s case around here about the contract ext. We gave Lowe an ext after leading us to the NIT. Besides, would love it even more beating them each time knowing he’s bleeding their treasure chest.

  10. RedTerror29 11/21/2007 at 7:16 PM #

    Maryland hasn’t suffered from having the Fridge.

  11. RabidWolf 11/21/2007 at 8:12 PM #

    It must be nice to have a fan base excited about mediocrity.

  12. Wolf-n-Atl 11/21/2007 at 8:25 PM #

    I think Lowe’s initial contract was not as pricey as BMFD’s. Also, Lowe showed progress with a short handed team. Besides, he dresses much better. 😉

  13. Octavian 11/21/2007 at 9:52 PM #

    It’s hard to believe Nebraska didn’t make a run at Grobe when they had the chance

  14. CaptainCraptacular 11/21/2007 at 10:18 PM #

    Call Davis a whore, but Carolina was desparate. They knew he would be gone unless they did something and did it quick. They looked around, saw all these big profile jobs coming open and didn’t want to head into another coaching search after one year facing a ton of competition from big time tradition rich football schools. I bet Davis didn’t even have to say anything… they probably approached him first with more money and a large side helping of please please please stay, pretty please.

    If TOB was a bit younger and hadn’t publicly stated and made us believe with his Marine sense of commitment that this is his last stop before retirement, I’d have been a bit worried about him this year. Hard for coaches to turn down places like Michigan, Nebraska, LSU (maybe), when and if they show interest in you with large sacks of money of their own.

    I kinda feel for GT fans. Gailey just barely wins enough to hang on, but leaves the fan base totally unsatisfied. Kinda like a former basketball coach we all know.

    And if OBC can’t win at South Carolina, NOBODY can. In the middle of the season they looked like a very strong team. Not sure what happened since I haven’t watched any U S C, goooooooooo cocks games since earlier in the year (I kinda like that chant), but at the time I thought he had turned the corner. Guess not. Hard to believe the fans are complaining though. Who in the hell are they going to get thats better? I bet he gives it one more year and if they don’t get into the SEC championship next season he leaves Columbia and then they slide to 2-10ville for the next 15 years. Goooo cocks indeed.

  15. MatSci94 11/21/2007 at 10:49 PM #

    All the espn story said was that Davis and UNC agreed in principle to a deal. If I were UNC, I’d want a super high buyout for this year and next. What I don’t understand is the talk that this somehow means that Davis won’t leave for Ark.

    If I were a carolina fan, I’d be worried untill Nutt is fired, and replaced, and then a few days for good measure.

    I’ll have to admit there is a part of me that wants him to stay at UNC, recruiting questionable students, psyching up for Miami, and treating us like just another game.

  16. bTHEredterror 11/22/2007 at 12:11 AM #

    /\The buyout is the key MatSci, and I would be stunned if Butch got tied into an increased buyout. All a pay raise does at this point is put a little extra cash in the pocket for Christmas in Arkansas.

  17. BoKnowsNCS71 11/22/2007 at 1:10 AM #

    No one complains about a whore when one needs one. An the prettier they are — the more compensaton they can demans. And those who need one — gladly pay. So the fact that BMFD is getting money laid on him is just business as usual modeled on the oldest profession.

  18. highstick 11/22/2007 at 1:39 AM #

    South Carolina-O Line has played awful all year and too many injuries on the defense at key spots. Some of the Gamecock fans are griping, but they were the ones who had totally unrealistic expectations at the first of the year and the 6-1 start made them think it was real this year. Spurrier’s jab at Corso may have pushed the bar even higher than he had wanted this year. They may be better next year as the lines mature and a strong redshirt QB gets a chance to show if he’s up to his hype.

    It’s gonna be a rough night Saturday in Columbia, but I wouldn’t put money on either team.

  19. Stoner 11/22/2007 at 11:48 AM #

    I want Davis to stay at Carolina. I want Carolina to have a good football team, because I think TOB will make us a good football team in short order. So when we play them, the game will mean something other than having to hear Carolina fans whine about “how Duke’s their rival, and it’s just another game for them” and maybe some in-state bragging rights.

  20. Texpack 11/22/2007 at 12:46 PM #

    I’m a South Carolina native. No one can win at USC. It is hopeless. They never should have left the ACC.

    A major whipping by LSU on Friday might get Nutt fired. My impression is that their fans thought Davis was their’s for the asking. He may still be. You don’t really hear about any other candidates from their fans.

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