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  1. joe 11/17/2007 at 9:19 PM #

    The winner of NCSU-MD will almost certainly go to Boise. Neither team has been to Boise and every other ACC team that is bowling will have at least 7 wins.

  2. WolftownVA81 11/17/2007 at 9:32 PM #

    JE and the defense stepping up in the second have were the only positives I saw today. Horrible play calling and execution. Looked like the 1st half of the season team. Lets hope the team can pick themselves up after this mess. Besides poor play at quarterback, there were a lot of dropped/through the hands balls and that fumble that killed us too. DE did not play well but he doesn’t bear full responsibilty for today’s outcome. I’m really disappointed we let WF dictate the type of game we played. I would rather see us play to our strengths and let them beat us on the line. I have a feeling we would have done much better than tossing up the ball for grabs. I hope the Clemson/BC game is a good one – I need to see some guality football today.

  3. McLovin 11/17/2007 at 10:14 PM #

    I really hope Mike Glennon will be the CONSISTENTLY good qb we’ve been lacking since Rivers (I’m so sick of pick 6’s)

  4. EverettBeez 11/17/2007 at 10:19 PM #

    Wolftown – that’s an excellent point – Wake dictated the type of game we played today. It was like we were back on your heels from the git go – for the whole first half. I hope this has as much to do with the quality of our opponent as it did with our own inadequaticies.

    Highstick – I think I went to church with Mrs Coley, lol. We had a VW bus part in front of my neighbors for the whole fall semseter. I sort of think the guy lived out of it. After that, will Isabella Cannon living right around the corner and being Mayor, we got a permit system.

    I grew up shopping at the A&P which is now a drug store, and the Fruit Market, which is now some sort of quicky mart.

  5. McPete 11/17/2007 at 10:51 PM #

    “I really hope Mike Glennon will be the CONSISTENTLY good qb we’ve been lacking since Rivers (I’m so sick of pick 6’s)”

    He’s two or three seasons away from being a routine contributor, so i hope there is someone ahead of him (Burke, Wilson) that fits your description.

    While Evans’ accuracy was definitely a problem today, I think the whole team deserves equal blame for the lackluster effort. Wake didn’t even play particularly well (two turnovers), but State just kept giving away points with a missed FG (same spot, i think, where he missed his other FG this year) and two interceptions in the friggin’ red zone. To be fair, the second interception was not his fault (Dunlap mis-timed his jump).

    Hopefully Maryland can’t stop the run. i fear the alternative.

  6. GoldenChain 11/17/2007 at 10:51 PM #

    Someone needs to determine who has been impersonating Daniel Evans the last 4 weeks?!

  7. LRM 11/17/2007 at 11:08 PM #

    Evans didn’t play any different tonight than he’s been playing; he threw two pick sixes last week. The win obviously muddled that. The kid is a interception machine and now, like last season, he has more INTs than TDs.

    Forget the pass against BC and the final drive against FSU — obviously those were flukes.

    Does anyone actually have any faith that any of our current QBs will ever “contribute?” If Evans is still “leading” this team, then what does that say for those behind him? Burke isn’t playing for a reason, ya’ll.

    We need to be very concerned about next season. Seriously.

  8. PurplePeopleEaters 11/17/2007 at 11:28 PM #

    Yep, our QB situation next year is going to suck. We need Wilson to step up or else we’re either stuck with an Evans/Beck revolving door again or we have to force Glennon into playing early (which I don’t really want).

    I’m pretty tired of Evans myself. He’s been OK on leading drives during our winning streak but has now almost single handedly lost the Wake game and almost threw away the UNC game. I really see no point in continuing with him next year as a senior unless the rest of our QB’s are completely inept, although that very well may be the case.

  9. Packster 11/17/2007 at 11:34 PM #

    We finally faced some decent competition and got put in our place today. I think Evans is generally better than he played today, however he is still not anything great. We should have used the run more in the 1st half and so much for having only 2 penalties last game. We shot ourselves in the foot with flags this game. No one wants to listen but I keep trying to make a point about Pierson’s punting and how god awful pathetic he is. WF had at least one 50+ yard punt. Every team kills us in punt yardage. All in all, exactly what I expected…..a typical butt kicking from WF.

  10. Delete-Me 11/18/2007 at 1:06 AM #

    We haven’t won at WF since 1995. It’s just a bad place for us to play so it seems, even with Rivers.

  11. blpack 11/18/2007 at 1:15 AM #

    We won in 2001, but has been a Wolfpack graveyard recently. We went to old habits of TOs and penalties. Can’t be anyone playing like that. We’ll have to regroup and send the Seniors out in style next week.

  12. PackMan97 11/18/2007 at 1:20 AM #

    In all honesty, the pick-6 was not DE fault. Sure, it wasn’t a perfect pass but our guy should have caught that ball instead of batting it into the air for the WFU guy to grab and run back. The second pick was our receivers fault as well thanks to a mistimed jump (too early) which let the WFU back just go up and grab it.

    If a receiver can’t catch the ball, he should make sure no one else does. Only the first pick was really a horrid throw by DE, the other two weren’t great…but they shouldn’t have been picks if our receivers did their jobs.

  13. Ismael 11/18/2007 at 1:41 AM #

    The only game where DE was honestly on the money was the UVa game. If you watch even alot of the caught balls in the UNC game or Miami especially, they were behind receivers, underthrows, etc. The worst thing a D1 QB can do is stare down receivers and for some reason Evans does this more so in the RedZone. He bails out of plays, gives up on them, whatever you want to call it, and whether that’s done out of frustration or what i don’t know. But you can see it in his body language on the pick 6’s especially against UNC. Also balls thrown in the middle of the field should generally be in 1 place, about waist, to shoulder-high and it can NOT be remotely behind the WR cutting across the middle.

    One thing to again keep in mind. Kirby Freeman and Kyle Wright, the two Miami QB’s were ELITE 11 QB’s. So it doesn’t mean a whole lot to be an ELITE 11 QB. they still have to come in and work their butt off and learn the system. What i like about TOB/Bible in that regard is they don’t just offer QB’s scholarships. They have to come workout at training camp and be evaluated and some great QB’s have come out of BC over the years under TOB.

    But i agree, what is up with the pick 6’s??

  14. Ismael 11/18/2007 at 1:44 AM #

    From the few clips i saw, it looks like what WFU was very keyed on today was trying to take away the 5-6 yard catch-and-run dump pass between the hashmarks that DE has lived on these last 4 games, which was smart of them of course. too bad we couldn’t pull it out today.

    Go PACK next week against Merryland

  15. TNCSU 11/18/2007 at 2:47 AM #

    I’m hoping that Glennon is our savior next year and he starts right away. Otherwise, we’re the same boat – unless Wilson is the man. Other than the botched play in the 3rd qtr, we were clearly in charge. 3 INT’s for TD’s and 4 INT’s in the red zone in two weeks (2 for TD’s) is inexcusable…sorry, he’s got to go. I’m all for legacy help, but DE is not ready to be a starting QB in the ACC. I think we win with 10 of 12 other QB’s in the ACC.

  16. old_pcorone 11/18/2007 at 5:07 AM #

    Geez wheeeeezzzz
    so many interceptions!
    Well, this is back to the real world. At least the Pack beat Carolina

  17. vtpackfan 11/18/2007 at 7:55 AM #

    Too much talk about the QB’s, again (as soon as we lose a game). OL was whipped today. They lost today, they lost against FSU, they lost to the ‘ville, and they were destroyed by Clemp and BC. This games effort reminded me more of their efforts against BC and Clemson.

    Forget savior recruit and rumors of fourth string QB’s looking real good. If O’Brien can’t fill the team with mean, smart, and physical OL, then this program will remain in significant for years to come.

  18. RickJ 11/18/2007 at 11:09 AM #

    I think the bowl situation is pretty clear now. The winner of State vs. Maryland will get a bowl. The ACC has 8 bowl tie-ins with Duke and UNC-Chapel Hill already eliminated. The State vs. Maryland loser is eliminated and BC more than likely will saddle Miami with 7 losses at home. Even if they don’t, I believe State or Maryland would be picked ahead of the Canes anyway.

    Did we ever get and conclusion regarding ACC tie-in bowls having to take 7 – 5 teams over 6 – 6 teams? If they don’t, I’m still not convinced we can’t wrangle our way into a better bowl with a win Saturday. If Ga. Tech loses to Georgia, they will be the least attractive team in the league unless they fire Gailey on the spot and hire a new coach for the bowl. Wake is traveling to Nashville to play Vanderbilt this week – would it make any sense to invite them back? You know Charlotte would rather have us more than Wake even though they are more deserving. Florida whipping FSU will make them considerable less attractive.

    As bad as yesterday was, we still have a lot to play for.

  19. haze 11/18/2007 at 11:49 AM #

    Rough game.

    Wake was just very solid. They ran well. They stopped the run. They passed well. They picked off passes. Best coached and prepared team we’ve seen all year, though Clemson is still the best team we’ve seen as a whole package.

    For us, the magic ran out at QB and OL. Actually, QB magic ran out last week and just continued into Wake. Take it for what it is, we need more time and better talent at those positions. The D was troubled in the 1st half but Wake will do that to you. They were FAR better in the 2nd half, pretty much a shutout with the exception of one big play. We committed a ton of penalties and, as usual, lost 10-20yds on every punt exchange.

    Time to get very serious about next week. No matter the lameness, any bowl is good for the Sr’s and for getting in more practice time. Likewise, it’s a nice way to end a big comeback in the 2nd half.

  20. McPete 11/18/2007 at 11:54 AM #

    RickJ:
    I believe it was determined that a bowl must invite a 7-5 team over a 6-6 team.

    About the QB play, his accuracy has been a major issue but that can be improved with footwork. Staring down your #1 option can be corrected as well. I’m not saying that these problems will definitely be solved in the next year, but i think Evans will be the starting QB next season as well. And he could look way better if they are able to establish a running game.

    While Matt Ryan may have tons of sucess on 3rd and long, most QBs will not and Evans isn’t a terrible qb because of that. Peyton Manning looks like a different QB when consistently faced with 3rd and long situations and the defense knows exactly what’s coming.

  21. haze 11/18/2007 at 12:19 PM #

    Evans is a game manager and if you get off schedule, his physical limitations become the bottleneck for your team’s performance. This is a lasting truth that will not change in the off season.

    I can see him starting early in the season next year. However, if he does, it’ll mean ALL of the following occurred; Beck didn’t improve in the off season, Wilson isn’t ready, they want to RS Glennon. It won’t be b/c of improved footwork.

  22. Astral Rain2 11/18/2007 at 12:37 PM #

    Next week is the Toilet Bowl playoff. If you told me at start of year State would be 5-6 now, I would have taken it.

    Can’t really blame the refs when the final score isn’t that close either. As bad as ACC refs can get sometime, unless it involves UNC- you won’t get anything like Victory or Frank Drebin in the Naked Gun.

  23. Ismael 11/18/2007 at 1:00 PM #

    There are alot of reasons that QB’s are also really good baseball players, especially pitchers, and the main reason is accuracy and a good QB when going to his 2nd and 3rd receivers has to be able to put balls where they are catchable in stride.

    Alot of the guys in the ACC who are the premiere WR’s and RB’s can run sub 4.3 40’s. The guy at Clempson has been clocked in the 4.1’s!!! This is not counting the excitment and adrenaline of game situations. So from the time the QB is hiked the ball and he heaves it, is about 4 seconds and he’s got to be able to get it 40 yrds in the air in order to put fear in a defense, and DE can’t do that yet. He can throw an awesome 35yd jump ball and about 75% of the time it’ll work but where i noticed it was the play against UNC-CH last week when he had Blackman 1-1 and he under threw him, and it would have been maybe a TD if he could hit him in stride. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Beck come in early next game at the first sign of trouble.

    And im sorry, having DL’s and LB’s occasionally shed a block and blow past a lineman or RB happens in Div1 football. Take a sack, take a knee, fumble it, and come back the next play, but the INT’s in the red zone are killing us, a pick 6 is not just a pick 6 in the red zone. It’s a 10 or 14 pt swing. So you can’t just keep chalking up this stuff too, we’ve got a bad line, i saw plenty of excellent blocking. Ive seen alot of QB’s who we’ve played the last couple of weeks and our DL totally collapses the pocket but these other QB’s side step, take off and haul-ass, and try and at least not get sacked. I have yet to see a little QB draw when the play goes to hell. But i see it plenty for other teams.

    Yesterday, when the 2nd half started and they came back on the radio after that awful 1st half, Johnny Evans was a little too…fatherly, in my opinion. Most color guys i think would have been natural for them to say that if the starting QB isn’t getting the job done, then they may have to go to the 2nd guy. Instead he pulls out some homespun homily about how Daniel is got this fortitude and all that stuff, and i understand if it was my son, you’d have that same feeling. But he was totally glossing over the errors. Anybody hear or feel that, maybe it was just the pissed-off in me hearing it.

  24. VaWolf82 11/18/2007 at 2:12 PM #

    I believe it was determined that a bowl must invite a 7-5 team over a 6-6 team.

    No, that’s what a normal reading of the words in the NCAA rules would lead you to believe. However, things are not necessarily that simple. People who should know have said that the rule that I discussed last week applied to at-large bowl bids and not conference-affliated bowls.

    I haven’t heard anything new since the phone call that I summarized last week.

  25. McPete 11/18/2007 at 2:51 PM #

    VaWolf82:
    Gotcha. So it’s still posible to get invited to Charlotte with a win. and they could finish no worse than tied for 8th place with Miami (providing they also win-which would be an upset). however, if state and miami both win, and the tire bowl invites wake instead, could state get passed over by the boise bowl people because miami has a national reputation and might help fill their stadium? i get that nc state should be the most attractive team for charlotte, but what about boise?

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