Old Spice Classic – Are they all going to be this tough?

Rider

NC State 72
Rider 63

Can we say ‘survive and advance’ in the Old Spice Classic and get away with it?

* State shot 70% from the free throw line but it didn’t feel like it as the Pack started 15 of 16 and then finished that game by shooting 8 of 17.

* At the half the three point shooting was as follows:
Rider: 6 for 10
State: 0 for 8

* But, State shot 5 of 6 from behind the line in the second half. More importantly, both Farnold DeGand AND Javi Gonzalez hit wide open threes that they are going to HAVE to hit this year if the Wolfpack is to be successful.

* Courtney Fells was clearly the player of the game.

* Trevor Ferguson played a few minutes in the first half and didn’t do much to impress. The Rider player that Ferguson was guarding immediately drained a three pointer; Ferguson missed both of his wide open three point attempts in the first half.

* Dennis Horner saw no action on Thursday. It will be interesting to see if Horner can replace Ferguson’s minutes.

* Next up – Dave Odom’s South Carolina Gamecocks on Friday at 10:30am.

BJD did some live blogging during the uneventful game –

19-13 Rider, and we look even worse today. Started McCauley, did not provide mojo.

3:00 – Evidently, a tighter rotation means Fergie plays while Horner sits. I really, really don’t get it. He’s actually playing at the same time as Javi and Fells, which is baffling beyond words.

3:04 – No Grant, no Hickson. Wow, is that a shitty lineup. Have scored 2 points in like 6 minutes.

3:06 – Rider by nine. Remember the Hindenberg? You are watching the hoops equivalent.

Halftime – Sid needs to peel some paint in the locker room. This shit is completely unacceptable. Rider 31, NC State 28.

4:04 – Second half is much, much better. Pack by 7, Fells at the line for 2. Still plenty of time to choke, UNO style.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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110 Responses to Old Spice Classic – Are they all going to be this tough?

  1. Trip 11/22/2007 at 4:36 PM #

    We just need to stop shooting 3’s. I think we’re 0-6 currently from behind the arc… Gonzalez is working hard though.

  2. dbo2874 11/22/2007 at 4:37 PM #

    pathetic showing so far. i was willing to write that loss to NO off as our basketball teams “central florida” game, but it is clear we have a LONG ways to go.

    I have no idea what we are trying to do on offense.

  3. dbo2874 11/22/2007 at 4:40 PM #

    i am keeping track of ill-advised 3s

    the count so far this game is 5

  4. Trip 11/22/2007 at 4:42 PM #

    Apparently a few of the 3’s that I thought we attempted to take were right inside the line… but just in general, we’re shooting so terrible from the perimeter… Fergy just failed twice in a row on the 3, just please take him out.

  5. Wulfpack 11/22/2007 at 4:45 PM #

    There is zero chemistry between Hickson, Ben and Costner. Ahh, growing pains.

  6. Trip 11/22/2007 at 4:52 PM #

    Good news: We’re hitting free throws so far.

  7. BJD95 11/22/2007 at 4:55 PM #

    Know what I like most about Gavin? His passes actually set his teammates up. Can’t say that about anybody else.

  8. ShootingGuard 11/22/2007 at 5:02 PM #

    We play 4 vs 5 because we don’t have a pg.

    We stand and watch guys shoot 3’s over us on the perimeter.

    Funny people complain about Hickson—he is our only consistent scoring option on offense and the only guy who consistently brings it on defense and around the boards.

    Ben is forcing his game.

    Costner just likes to shoot 3’s and that’s it.

    Grant is second to JJ in bringing it.

    Not sure what Fells is doing, up and down.

    Tomato gives us nothing if he can’t hit wide open 3’s.

    Javy and Farnold are non-factors.

    Not sure where Horner is…

    If we can’t shoot from the outside, we have to raise it up on defense and create easy shots on the run. In the halfcourt, if you can’t shoot, we have to bang it inside.

  9. dbo2874 11/22/2007 at 5:08 PM #

    the stat of the half…..

    3point FGs
    Rider- 6-10
    State- 0-8

  10. Dogbreath 11/22/2007 at 5:09 PM #

    I tried to quelch the orgasm on these boards and others several weeks back by pointing out that we have no reliable outside shooting guard and three untested point guards, and was roundly condemned.

    Oh well.

  11. Trip 11/22/2007 at 5:17 PM #

    We hit a three? 2 of them? Time for Hickson to throw on domination mode inside.

  12. Trip 11/22/2007 at 5:30 PM #

    NCSU with the lead. Grant fouls Thompson hard and it looks like Fells has decided to play today.

  13. MatrixII 11/22/2007 at 5:50 PM #

    We are leading, but we still suck. How many turnovers, 15?

  14. Trip 11/22/2007 at 6:09 PM #

    Seems that good things DO happen when Tferg doesn’t play at all for the 2nd half. Gamecocks in 20 hours.

  15. Packster 11/22/2007 at 6:14 PM #

    Much better performance by us today. Yes…we still had too many turnovers and we struggled shooting at first. Once we muddled through the 1st half we played a decent 2nd half. Degand played very well today. I thought Hickson was used correctly throughout the game. I didn’t like how we started holding the ball at the 4.5 minute mark, we were having success attacking. We should have kept that up. We shot pretty well from the free throw line (around 75%). The big thing I’m seeing is, and it seems to apply to last season and this one, so goes Fells, so goes the team. If he has a big game, which he did today, then we usually win. When he stinks it up it is usually an L. There was definite improvement over the last game. Costner still needs to step up his game and we need to cut turnovers and things will start looking up.

  16. Packster 11/22/2007 at 6:15 PM #

    Almost forgot about Fergie. Our bad stretch in the first half came when he was in the game. His man hit a big 3 pointer to increase their lead. He needs to be on the bench unless we are ahead by 20….errr….25.

  17. Jamie 11/22/2007 at 6:16 PM #

    It may just be me, but I thought we looked our best today when we had our 4 returning starters with Javi on the point.Maybe even the best so far in this short season.

  18. Packster 11/22/2007 at 6:17 PM #

    Javi hit a big 3 in the game. It was a good offensive set for us that got him wide open and he nailed it.

  19. PurplePeopleEaters 11/22/2007 at 6:19 PM #

    Fells=Grant from last year. Looks good a lot of the time but then makes those mistakes leaving you wondering. I thought he looked better in this game but he needs to be consistent.

    Hickson is still a beast. Going up against some real competition and still played well.

    Free throws down the stretch are important. We’re lucky to have escaped while hitting almost none of them. First half FT shooting was nice though.

    Why does Ferguson play. He adds nothing to the lineup.. It’s especially annoying that he takes time from Horner.

  20. Jamie 11/22/2007 at 6:20 PM #

    Degand just always seems out of control to me. He out runs the ball even.

  21. burnbarn 11/22/2007 at 6:25 PM #

    5-6 3s in the second.. FT shooting down the stretch in the 2nd was horrible. With 3 minutes left we had 1 made FT ON 4 POSSESSIONS..
    Where was JJ in the 2nd. Fells had a nice offensive game. We are very shaky with the ball.
    We gave up 16 offensive rebounds.

  22. Packster 11/22/2007 at 6:27 PM #

    Like I said….so goes Fells so goes the team. He is a good shooter when he is hot. We have to be able to kick it out to him for the 3’s to open up the inside game. Then….we have to hope he doesn’t make one of his classic bonehead mistakes. He seems to be getting a little better about those. He needs to cut out the fastbreak 3 pointers though. They are costing us 2 rebounds a game at least. He just needs to take it in and jam it. Aside from Fells….I think it is hard to deny that our chemistry was much better today in the 2nd half. Lowe appears to already be getting a handle on what works.

  23. Packster 11/22/2007 at 6:39 PM #

    Man…where is everyone today. I’ve never seen it this quiet after a game….especially one we win.

  24. burnbarn 11/22/2007 at 6:39 PM #

    coach just said he sat JJ for breaking a team rule.

  25. McPete 11/22/2007 at 6:52 PM #

    “Almost forgot about Fergie. Our bad stretch in the first half came when he was in the game” – uh, the ‘bad stretch’ was the ENTIRE 1st half and Fergeson wasn’t the only one who played poorly.

    I hope Degand is a better FT shooter than what he’s shown. otherwise i wouldn’t want him in the game near the end in a close contest.

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