Monday Morning Coach – How to Fix What Ails Pack Hoops (Update)

3:00pm Update from SFN
BJD’s entry here is fantastic, and has generated some of the best comments we’ve had on the blog in a while (as has the other basketball entries over the last 24 hours). With this said, we wanted to pass along this link from the N&O as emphasis/support for BJD’s entry. Check out the comments at the bottom of the N&O’s entry:

It’s only Game 2 but Ben McCauley is already pressing. With Hickson playing spectacularly in front of him, he’s coming off the bench and trying to do too much — make an extra cute assist or take the ball through traffic to the basket. McCauley played only 14 minutes on Sunday. He scored two points and had one rebound.

Sidney Lowe needs to figure out how to use McCauley and Hickson together, otherwise there will be more home losses to Sun Belt teams.

Here’s one suggestion: Use McCauley in the high post, where Costner is currently situated, move Costner to the wing and keep Hickson low. That allows your best talent to be on the floor at the same time. Fatigue may not allow the three to play together in the first half, but all three should be on the floor in the final 8 to 10 minutes of the game.

I start this exercise by acknowledging that Sidney Lowe and staff know more about basketball than me. I also don’t get to watch the team practice. That said, I think it is a valuable and fun exercise to discuss what we have seen so far, and brainstorm on how to right the ship. If you don’t like it, just don’t read or comment. Simple as that.

1) Start Gavin at the 2. First, Gavin’s ball-handling, decisionmaking, and shot all look much improved this year (he’s always been a solid passer when not playing the point, IMHO). He is also willing to drive the lane, and can do so successfully. Last, but not least, I don’t see any f-ing alternative (see item 2 below). We can either go with 3 bigs (see item 3 below) or start Horner.

2) Give Ferguson’s role to Fells, and return Ferguson to his 2006-07 role. From what I’ve seen, the existing 2 guard rotation has been a complete sinkhole, both offensively and defensively (the fact that our PG rotation is a half-sinkhole (offense) makes this even more untenable). Ferguson’s defensive limitations are particularly acute, but I am more disappointed in Fells’ play, given his superior talent level. Rather than having Trevor as a placeholder until MJ is eligible, let it be Fells. He can either step up his game or risk being banished to the bench until garbage time. To me, the main benefit of depth is having flexibility to bench guys that are half-assing it, or playing really stupid/out of control. Grant seems to have gotten the memo, but not Fells. It’s time to be more direct with that message.

3) Try the “Three Bigs” lineup. This doesn’t have to be a starting lineup, or even more than 5-10 minutes a game. But it gives us more flexibility in not being hostage to the inconsistent Fells or the unknown Johnson. It also gives McCauley a window to more playing time (if he earns it), which hopefully shakes him from his mental funk. Big Ben knows he isn’t going to displace Hickson or Costner sans fouls or injury, so he needs some hope here. What’s the worst that could happen? Poor defense and/or offensive spacing? We’re getting that already. At least maybe we could out-rebound a team of midgets for a few minutes.

4) Recognize that all reserves are not created equal. Of the current reserves, McCauley and Horner are clearly a cut above the rest of the bench – in talent, game readiness, or both. They have demonstrated a clear ability to contribute in the past, and to give them minutes that are more or less equivalent to Ferguson is kind of insulting. They should also have a chance to play more with the starting lineup, to improve our offensive flow and avoid creating a de facto caste system. The “wave” substitution pattern needs to go away – this isn’t the NBA, and our opponents aren’t going to do it (for good reason – unless you are pressing hard and often, it doesn’t make much sense).

5) Tell some brooding players to grow the hell up. J.J. Hickson should not be asked or expected to apoligize for being really damned good. It’s not like he acts like a prima donna or shoots 25 times a game. He gives the most consistent defensive effort. He picks up his teammates with putback baskets. He is often the first player down the court, offensively and defensively. Maybe some of the “hurt feelings” contingent should try giving that kind of effort. And maybe they should realize that one good ACCT weekend shouldn’t give them a sense of entitlement. News flash – we were a freaking NIT team last year, and needed a late surge to even be that. Increasing the talent level can only be a good thing, assuming you want to challenge for the conference title and make some noise in March this year.

What say you, SFN commenters?

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81 Responses to Monday Morning Coach – How to Fix What Ails Pack Hoops (Update)

  1. BJD95 11/19/2007 at 4:05 PM #

    Ben has great footwork, passing skills, and a solid midrange shot. It’s unconventional, for sure, but why couldn’t he play 10 minutes a game at the 3. Do you really think it would make our defense worse than it is the 10 mpg that Ferguson is in the game?

  2. RBCRowdy 11/19/2007 at 4:06 PM #

    ^Javi isn’t even 5’9” period.^

    1) My ball handling would look good against W&M and UNO. Let’s not forget what he was like in ACC play last year.

    And this entire thread is kind of dumb. The team didn’t bring a Division 1 level of intensity and they lost to a Division 1 team.

    It is November, our ranking is gone, but this is basketball and the best teams lose 4,5,6,7,8 games in a season.

  3. melikesncsu 11/19/2007 at 4:08 PM #

    I think that offensively I would love to see the Costner, J.J, McCauley combo, but defensively, it can be scary considering our 3 (Costner) is lazy and seems slow on defense and I think a strong 3 on another team would eat that alive and have some nice open looks because of it.

    However, last night we lost the rebound battle and they shot a miserable percentage, especially from the arc. It seems that going big and getting our offense to produce more would have made more sense considering they were not shooting the lights out. This along with giving the right people minutes and allowing McCauley to make his nice passes from the inside would have made more sense that the Ferguson-fest we saw last night.

    Grant scares me, but last night I felt a strange sense of confidence when he had the ball at the end, and he made the shot. I hope this is a part of what we can expect from Grant the Senior.

  4. ShootingGuard 11/19/2007 at 4:10 PM #

    ^

    Like a lot of the responses here, but my reaction to a couple…

    (1)
    Not starting JJ Hickson because of what Ben and BC did LAST year is the WRONG answer to the problem. It is NOT JJ’s fault that Ben and BC look lethargic or might be whining about minutes or shots. JJ has been bringing it on both ends of the floor, and, until the other guys bring it like that, they have absolutely nothing to say about it. JJ goes 12for12 in a game 1 win, and guys are complaining in game 2 about not getting enough shots? This is competitive basketball, not the welfare system. Ben and BC need to learn how to play off of JJ, NOT without him on the floor. When one of them goes 3for3, much less 12for12, they can start asking for the ball—and will likely get it. If they are having trouble with their own shot, they should try rebounding and playing defense like JJ is doing.

    (2)
    I think we should use the “big 3” lineup where it gives us a potential advantage. It will be way too dang slow vs some teams but more appropriate for other big teams. I am not sure it would have helped last night, but I would not have been against trying it.

    My thoughts:

    The problem last night was not about getting guys enough minutes but getting too many guys minutes and getting cute with substitution patterns and falling victim to the “I have to give this guy minutes or I have to play this guy while it is close and meaningful to see what he can do” to the total detriment of our team chemistry and continuity. We really could have put the hammer down on these guys early before Sid started mixing in Fergie & company and letting the starters go completely cold.

    Sid needs to (1) rotate JJ, BC, & Ben at the 4 & 5 (2) use proven Horner to spell Grant & Fells on the wing, and (3) use the top 2 of our 3 pg’s at the point. Play your young stud and your best, proven guys, get in a rhythm, and win the dang game before you start playing around with the other guys who need to prove themselves. That’s an 8 man rotation and all you need to manage egos and win big as evidenced by Dean & K for years. Tracy is a freshman and can get his minutes when our frontcourt is in deep foul trouble (vs Hansborough for sure) or late in games. Fergie & # 3 pg can do the same.

    You have to start 5 players. Put ’em out there and tell them to mop the f-ing floor with the other team. Tell Ben, DHorn, and pg backup to be ready to jump in there and kick a$$ and rotate the best 8 around strategically. At all costs, NEVER put untested Javy+unprovenFergie on the floor at the same time, especially not with less athletic Horner+less athletic Ben on the floor at the same time. We have sucked in both games when that happened while simultaneously icing the other guys. JJ saved our butt in game 1, and he and Grant were the only ones who came to play in game 2. If Grant is the only guy willing to play and share with JJ (who looks like Shaq in Blue Chips), find 3 guys with their heads not up their own arses and put those guys on the floor. I would rather go back to Neiman and Roach on the floor, than a bunch of pouters.

    If our pg situation becomes a liability, then say the hell with it and rotate an Iron 6 of the best we have with JJ, BC, & Ben + Horner, Grant, & Fells and put Horner or Grant out at the top of a match-up zone for defense…go for broke with Fells handling the ball…and tell John Wall and every other top flight pg recruit in the nation that the first to commit has a starting job waiting…

  5. packbackr04 11/19/2007 at 4:14 PM #

    “Let’s not forget what he was like in ACC play last year.”
    RBC^^ javi was playing highschool ball in Little Havana last yr. not in the ACC.

  6. xphoenix87 11/19/2007 at 4:15 PM #

    I would love to see some zone out of this team. We looked really good in zone at times last year (remember how disruptive Horner was at the top of that 1-3-1 zone?), and a 2-3 Syracuse-style zone would allow us to play the 3 bigs at one time.

    The big problem I saw in the W&M game (I missed last night’s game) was that McCauley and Hickson just didn’t look good when they were on the court together. They played zone on us all night, and either one was fine when playing alongside Costner, who could spread the zone and make the entry pass, but they struggled trying to get any high-low action going when they were in together.

  7. LRM 11/19/2007 at 4:23 PM #

    We need to also remember that through two games, J.J. has been by far the most dominant player on the court. That won’t always be the case. McCauley and Costner have both been in those battles, and they’ll get their opportunities to score and contribute, but they’ve both got to take advantage of them.

    Fact is, in ACC play, there will be games where J.J. has three fouls early and sits 20 minutes, as well as games where we’ll need him all 40 minutes because either Costner or McCauley are in foul trouble — it’s inevitable.

    The more rationally I think through that loss, it’s not Doomsday because unless we’re vastly worse than we expect, that loss won’t matter in March — if we’re on the bubble at 8-8, we have more issues than we’ve shown through two games.

    Better yet, we have a solid weekend tournament and a game next week in East Lansing to show some improvements.

  8. RedTerror29 11/19/2007 at 4:32 PM #

    Without Fells stepping up this team won’t be as good as advertised. There just aren’t the players to replace him. Fells falling off is a bigger issue than any other player on the court, not because he’s the best player, but because he’s the hardest to replace with the guys on the team (hopefully Johnson will help this).

    If Degand struggles you replace him with Javi (from what I’ve seen not a big drop-off).
    If Grant struggles you can replace him with Horner/Smith/Costner (second biggest drop-off).
    Costner, McCauley, and Hickson can be rotated with little drop-off.

  9. zahadum 11/19/2007 at 6:23 PM #

    Ok, I’ll play devil’s advocate a bit here. I think McCauley needs to start, at least at this point in the season. I understand where Shooting Guard and others are coming from, but I think its necessary. He’s too important to our chances for sucess to have him go into a season long funk, whatever the reason for it is. Starting will hopefully allow him, (and the team) to gain some offensive rhythm in the early minutes. With luck, he also picks up the first foul on opponants big man. Then after about 5 minutes, bring in the hammer with JJ.

    Or start JJ and McCauley. If coming off the bench is what it takes to light a fire under Costner, so be it.

    Agree with others that Ferguson should not be getting so many minutes.

    Bottom line, we know our backcourt is at best going to have its ups and downs. That makes it crucial that we get all of our 3 bigs playing well.

  10. packbackr04 11/19/2007 at 6:40 PM #

    should be an interesting coachs show tonight…

    “coach, why in the hell do you insist on playing trevor ferguson? does he have pictures of you watering your lawn on a thursday or something?”

  11. Mr O 11/19/2007 at 6:47 PM #

    You play guys who are playing well. At this point, Ferguson is playing as well as any other guy coming off the bench. Javier was about the only guy who made a positive impact off the bench last night. McCauley probalby deserved some of Costner’s minutes last night.

  12. ncsu96 11/19/2007 at 6:56 PM #

    maybe Marcus Stone could stop by and tell them what the term ‘teammate’ means.

    the coaches need to figure a way to give Brandon/Ben a chance to operate in the post when JJ’s in there. They’ve got to figure that out or we are in big trouble.

  13. JeremyH 11/19/2007 at 7:09 PM #

    as bad as this loss was to experience, and we were very close to not experiencing it, at the macro level it forces Sid to address where the system has broken down now and in this week. i agree that it is part of a growth period, but with all these mid major emerging, its going to cut into how many ACC team make the tournment, so we should keep these live lessons to a minimize and put people away when the opportunity arises. time to turn off the iWolf shuffle and queue up the 8player iPack. tonight we dine in hell!

  14. wbnation 11/19/2007 at 7:16 PM #

    off subject but why in the new Coaches Poll has Davidson moved into the top 25? You lose and move up? WTF. How often does that happen. I can only remember it happening to Notre Dame in football. The only team that can tought having the toughest schedule lose all the tough games, beat cupcakes and move up in rankings. Now it seems Davidson, or the Carolina influence has elevated Davidson into this realm.

  15. Master 11/19/2007 at 7:29 PM #

    I like the concept of a thread where we try to figure out what’s wrong and offer suggestions. For the most part that’s what we’ve done. On the other hand, I have two questions.

    1.) We seem to believe from unverified sources that we have a chemistry problem between Ben, Brandon and JJ. Can someone add light to this from actual team reports.

    2.) Why would anyone even consider not starting JJ or having him play until he’s tired and his tongue is hanging out? He’s the best player we have and it is probably not a secret within the team.

    That said, I agree with a previous poster that the team that finished in a winning flurry last season was not good enought to get selfish this year with their time on the floor. Take JJ out and we finish near the middle of the league or lower… AGAIN!

    Sid needs to play the best five and and bench any malcontents. Coach K had this problem for a few years and just quit playing certain guys. They transferred out on a regular basis, but Duke kept winning. Creative destruction is what its called. The end result will be better if patience is applied.

  16. McPete 11/19/2007 at 7:55 PM #

    UNC did lose 1st place votes with the win, so it goes both ways here.

    I hope Sid puts the best rebounding lineup out there, cuz it’s a major deficiency already.

  17. McPete 11/19/2007 at 8:05 PM #

    and lets not forget that despite the fact that this team was sleepwalking through much of the game, it was still a winnable game. and the callapse was disturbing: errant pass by grant, quick shot by fells, insane intentional foul by fells, missed FTs by degand, etc. what the team needed was a leader to calm everyone down and work the offense to get a good shot and run some clock. this is what atsur would have provided last season. and i don’t think anyone is capable of playing smart and savvy enough to fill atsur’s shoes, except gavin grant. he can’t play point, but he needs to lead on the court and get the guys on track when the game is on the line. he can do it, Sid’s gotta convince him.

  18. Dr. BadgerPack 11/19/2007 at 8:18 PM #

    Sitting JJ to get other players going– especially after his first two performances– would be a fantastic recruiting ploy. “Attention 5-star recruits: come to NC State where you can kick ass, then come off the bench because we need to get lesser talented players going.”

    I know 2 coaches down the road who would tell these kids “i’ll start you if you’re good enough– look what happens down at State.”

  19. highstick 11/19/2007 at 9:02 PM #

    SFN: Go back and re-read the paragraph leading into the five points. This type of post adds no value to the conversation, and thus has been deletd. If you don’t like this little exercise, then don’t read or comment in this thread.

  20. Primewolf 11/19/2007 at 9:31 PM #

    Highstick, you missed the whole point of this thread, again.

    It doesn’t matter who is on the court, if we don’t play a whole lot better defense, it won’t matter. Sid ought to keep folks out there that are really playing defense.

    It is that simple.

    Of course that rules out Ferg, he can’t guard anyone.

    I am disappointed that Sid hasn’t read them the riot act on defense. He should yank them and sit them down. Pathetic efforts and total lack of intensity for much of the WM game. They did step in up twice in that game.

    Quit babying these players.

  21. sholtzma 11/19/2007 at 10:08 PM #

    Whether Hickson starts or not should be irrelevant. If he’s half the team player some folks claim he is, I doubt he cares all that much either. What’s crucial is the minutes he plays and when he plays them. So, let’s not make “starting” out to be the be-all and end-all that it isn’t. One option that has been mentioned is to start Costner and McCauley so as to get them back on last year’s track, which they presently are far from. They should know how to play together. On the other hand, if the problem is more (or as much) the failure of the guards to set up the offense, then it may not matter who is playing on the frontline.

    I have a different question. If we have so many parts this year, why not play those parts (at least some of the time) that will match up best with the other team? Could we not have gone small last night, so as to reduce their dribble penetration and second chance points? What would such a lineup have looked like? McCauley or Hickson at center, I would imagine. A relatively quick forward-type who is quick enough to play the wing? Can Simon Harris play defense well enough to cover N.O.? Certainly Grant and Fells? And one (or, if not Harris, then both) of Gonzales and Degand? Did we ever see a small lineup? (I wasn’t there.)

    I too get the sense that Lowe is experimenting with an eye toward later; and if so, he’s willing to take some lumps now if they help whip this team-that’s-not-a-team into shape.

  22. bTHEredterror 11/19/2007 at 10:50 PM #

    I agree, Sholtzma. He is experimenting to see who plays well with who. He tried McCauley and Hickson at the same time once, I think during some of Gonzalez’s possessions, and it worked okay nothing gangbusters.

    Look, we shot poorly and kicked it off our own feet a slew of times, and that won’t(with crossed fingers) always be the case. There was poor effort, we got beat to some loose balls and long rebounds and fouled foolishly at the end of the game, and there were some bad breaks like Hickson’s in and out dunk. It was a complete meltdown that probably hurt ten times as much to go through as watch. So they either wither or come out swinging.

    I don’t think panicking is necessary at this point. They got a slap in the face yesterday, and I betcha a second one today from Sid. Let’s see how they handle this tournament. They are together at Thanksgiving away from their families, in Disneyland to boot and coming off an embarassing loss at home. There are a lot of distractions, and this is a good test of the whole program at this point. Focus on defense for Rider, and play a lot of guys in the first half, but play whoever is hitting shots or making plays in the second. Seems like Sid subs were almost scripted and made no sense, perhaps he was testing his own opinions in a game situation. Maybe he is just happy not to have to grab only Horner, or the starter he last replaced, to sub with and needs to settle in himself.

    Does anyone think maybe Costner’s getting used to his extra bulk? That could be what affected his shot.

  23. JeremyH 11/19/2007 at 11:01 PM #

    Costner needed to getting quicker over the off-season, not slower. Aren’t these guys on a conditioning program over the break? We need Costner in good form, he is too talented to pull a Brackman.

  24. choppack1 11/19/2007 at 11:10 PM #

    The effort that it appears occurred ( I didn’t watch too much of the game last night) sounds very similar to the efforts we saw vs. Cincy, UMd (at home), Duke (at home) and Clemson (at home).

    I was hoping that Sid had gotten these guys to the turn the corner w/ their intense effort in the NIT. Obviously, the light hasn’t come on yet regarding how hard you have to play every night in college basketball to get a win.

    As for the “bigs” lineup – I don’t think that will help w/ our perimeter shooting problems or team speed and getting beat by smaller opponets on the glass. I would like to see more of McCauley, but not necessarily at the expense of Hickson. Also, let’s not write off Javy yet, he hasn’t been able to do a lot of things to do his injury.

    I hope we see a fire lit under this team. I don’t like seeing this kind of effort out there – like I said initially, it appears similar to what we saw at times last year. It’s only one game, we can use it as a learning experience or can continue moping and playing lethargically – hoping to catch fire late in the season for a miracle run.

  25. McLovin 11/19/2007 at 11:10 PM #

    All I can say is it doesn’t matter what any of us say or think. We don’t make the gameplans nor do we make the line-ups.

    SID HAS TO STEP UP AS OUR COACH AND DO WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN.

    PERIOD.

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