Monday Morning Coach – How to Fix What Ails Pack Hoops (Update)

3:00pm Update from SFN
BJD’s entry here is fantastic, and has generated some of the best comments we’ve had on the blog in a while (as has the other basketball entries over the last 24 hours). With this said, we wanted to pass along this link from the N&O as emphasis/support for BJD’s entry. Check out the comments at the bottom of the N&O’s entry:

It’s only Game 2 but Ben McCauley is already pressing. With Hickson playing spectacularly in front of him, he’s coming off the bench and trying to do too much — make an extra cute assist or take the ball through traffic to the basket. McCauley played only 14 minutes on Sunday. He scored two points and had one rebound.

Sidney Lowe needs to figure out how to use McCauley and Hickson together, otherwise there will be more home losses to Sun Belt teams.

Here’s one suggestion: Use McCauley in the high post, where Costner is currently situated, move Costner to the wing and keep Hickson low. That allows your best talent to be on the floor at the same time. Fatigue may not allow the three to play together in the first half, but all three should be on the floor in the final 8 to 10 minutes of the game.

I start this exercise by acknowledging that Sidney Lowe and staff know more about basketball than me. I also don’t get to watch the team practice. That said, I think it is a valuable and fun exercise to discuss what we have seen so far, and brainstorm on how to right the ship. If you don’t like it, just don’t read or comment. Simple as that.

1) Start Gavin at the 2. First, Gavin’s ball-handling, decisionmaking, and shot all look much improved this year (he’s always been a solid passer when not playing the point, IMHO). He is also willing to drive the lane, and can do so successfully. Last, but not least, I don’t see any f-ing alternative (see item 2 below). We can either go with 3 bigs (see item 3 below) or start Horner.

2) Give Ferguson’s role to Fells, and return Ferguson to his 2006-07 role. From what I’ve seen, the existing 2 guard rotation has been a complete sinkhole, both offensively and defensively (the fact that our PG rotation is a half-sinkhole (offense) makes this even more untenable). Ferguson’s defensive limitations are particularly acute, but I am more disappointed in Fells’ play, given his superior talent level. Rather than having Trevor as a placeholder until MJ is eligible, let it be Fells. He can either step up his game or risk being banished to the bench until garbage time. To me, the main benefit of depth is having flexibility to bench guys that are half-assing it, or playing really stupid/out of control. Grant seems to have gotten the memo, but not Fells. It’s time to be more direct with that message.

3) Try the “Three Bigs” lineup. This doesn’t have to be a starting lineup, or even more than 5-10 minutes a game. But it gives us more flexibility in not being hostage to the inconsistent Fells or the unknown Johnson. It also gives McCauley a window to more playing time (if he earns it), which hopefully shakes him from his mental funk. Big Ben knows he isn’t going to displace Hickson or Costner sans fouls or injury, so he needs some hope here. What’s the worst that could happen? Poor defense and/or offensive spacing? We’re getting that already. At least maybe we could out-rebound a team of midgets for a few minutes.

4) Recognize that all reserves are not created equal. Of the current reserves, McCauley and Horner are clearly a cut above the rest of the bench – in talent, game readiness, or both. They have demonstrated a clear ability to contribute in the past, and to give them minutes that are more or less equivalent to Ferguson is kind of insulting. They should also have a chance to play more with the starting lineup, to improve our offensive flow and avoid creating a de facto caste system. The “wave” substitution pattern needs to go away – this isn’t the NBA, and our opponents aren’t going to do it (for good reason – unless you are pressing hard and often, it doesn’t make much sense).

5) Tell some brooding players to grow the hell up. J.J. Hickson should not be asked or expected to apoligize for being really damned good. It’s not like he acts like a prima donna or shoots 25 times a game. He gives the most consistent defensive effort. He picks up his teammates with putback baskets. He is often the first player down the court, offensively and defensively. Maybe some of the “hurt feelings” contingent should try giving that kind of effort. And maybe they should realize that one good ACCT weekend shouldn’t give them a sense of entitlement. News flash – we were a freaking NIT team last year, and needed a late surge to even be that. Increasing the talent level can only be a good thing, assuming you want to challenge for the conference title and make some noise in March this year.

What say you, SFN commenters?

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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81 Responses to Monday Morning Coach – How to Fix What Ails Pack Hoops (Update)

  1. jbpackfan 11/19/2007 at 1:57 PM #

    Exactly right.

  2. burnbarn 11/19/2007 at 2:02 PM #

    I like what you are saying for the most part, but I think the 3 bigs line up would not have worked well at all given the quickness advantage UNO displayed across the board. Offensively, it would create match up issues but defensively would have been worse. Just b/c we have 3 bigs does not mean we can crowd the post either.
    We lost the game on the defensive side not being able to stop dribble penetration from anyone on the court. That and FTs with a few bone headed erroes at crunch time.
    The most frustrating part was UNO did not play particularly well.

  3. newt 11/19/2007 at 2:12 PM #

    I think our main problem is defensive intensity. I’d play whoever is out there guarding their man and trying to get the ball.

  4. gopack968 11/19/2007 at 2:19 PM #

    A few random replies by number:

    1. How can you explain Gavin’s awful cross-court pass last night? It is hard to ‘give’ him anything as long as he continues to make such horrible decisions. (That said, this is probably the best solution)

    2. Ferguson needs to be at the end of the bench. Period. From what I saw last night he is no more effective than he was the first time he stepped on the court last year. Nice kid, seems lost on the court. No confidence.

    3. I really hope that Ben’s funk is health-related. He is a key component of any success we may have this season.

    3a. Three Bigs might have pulled down more than 4 offensive rebounds against a team full of midgets.

    4. I love Horner. He just gives it his all, all of the time. He is also the most selfless player we have now. He will only get better. He is a Sidney Lowe-type player.

    5. Do you really think Costner’s (seeming) regression is related to “hurt feelings.” After the ordeal this team went through last year it would be sad if that is the case. He is a high NBA draft pick right now. If he continues on his current path that will not be the case. Help the team, help yourself.

    5a. Last night was my first game this season. JJ’s power and fluidity of movement must be seen in person to fully appreciate. Amazing. We have to find a team of complimenting players to take advantage of this rare talent in the short time he is here.

    Finally, a loss may just have been what this team needed to come together and get serious. Too much talent to be squabbling or unfocused. Maybe this was the catalyst for change. If not, this could be a long season.

  5. gopack968 11/19/2007 at 2:19 PM #

    Note to self: Never number paragraphs in a reply again.

  6. ADS95 11/19/2007 at 2:23 PM #

    Excellent analysis – I had not considered moving Grant to the 2, but that makes a lot of sense. Our guard play has been abysmal. We need to shake things up.

    Hickson deserves every minute he is playing, and I’d have no problem with him playing a few more if he can do it without getting too winded.

  7. RickJ 11/19/2007 at 2:30 PM #

    1) I don’t have a problem with Gavin at the 2 in place of the minutes Ferguson has been playing there but I think Fells should start. He made a terrible mistake on the intentional foul but overall, he busted his tail on defense last night. He chased McCaleeb all night through a ton of screens. Last year, McCaleeb was the Player of the Year in the Sun Conference – he can play. He was 5 – 19 from the field last night largely because of Fells defense. It is obvious that many posters feel like Fells is playing terrible defense. You may be right but it is not what I am seeing.

    2) We certainly agree about what Ferguson’s role should be. Gavin or even DeGand when Javy is at the point could fill this role. Hopefully, Johnson makes this a moot issue on December 15th.

    3) I agree but have another issue I would like to see addressed. I can’t help but think about the Syracuse 2–3 zone or John Beilen’s 1-3-1 zone when looking at our personnel. We are very long on the perimeter and Hickson could be a great anchor of an active zone.

    4) Totally agree.

    5) Totally agree.

  8. LRM 11/19/2007 at 2:34 PM #

    Ferguson absolutely contributes nothing to any rotation except empty minutes; he parks himself in a corner, which at least means he isn’t clogging a passing lane. However, he isn’t taking minutes from McCauley.

    Hickson, Costner, and McCauley basically have 80 minutes to split between them. Hickson, at least so far, deserves to be a 30-min guy, which leaves 50 minutes each for Costner and McCauley. Last night, Smith played five minutes and Horner 11.

    If Horner is going to be an eight-to-10 guy — and he probably will from what we’ve seen, and rightfully so (hopefully) — then every minute Smith plays in addition to him will take away total minutes from Costner and/or McCauley. It just doesn’t make sense to have them all in at the same time, especially if they can’t be productive.

  9. StateFans 11/19/2007 at 2:35 PM #

    I like what you are saying for the most part, but I think the 3 bigs line up would not have worked well at all given the quickness advantage UNO displayed across the board. Offensively, it would create match up issues but defensively would have been worse.

    Generally speaking, I don’t disagree with you.

    But, in the framework of last night, UNO shot horribly (17 % from the 3-point line).

    We could have zoned them with the 3 bigs and won the rebounding edge that we lost to those midgets while simultaneously destroying them on the offensive end with match-up issues.

  10. ktpritch 11/19/2007 at 2:49 PM #

    I agree w/ gopack968 – the loss didn’t bother me so much (it has been a while since a team went undefeated and I don’t see it happening this year) as most teams will lose one they should have won. That said, the fact that the team looked to me (through their play) as if winning that game was a given did bother me. We (or really anyone) can’t afford to take an opponent lightly. If that game is what it takes for a mental reset than I am ok with that loss at this point in the season. To me, it’s very like what O’Brien said about our football team – something to the effect of we have to learn that we can’t just roll out our helmets and expect to win a game.

  11. nycfan 11/19/2007 at 2:53 PM #

    ^actually, zones often diminish, not improve, defensive rebounding b/c you are playing an area, not a man, and the box-out assignments can be hard to make.

    That said, I think a zone would have helped a ton on defense last night — park Hickson in the middle as an eraser and otherwise clog up the lanes. New Orleans actually had a sorry offense — little to no outside shooting, little to no post-up ability — and could only score on dribble penetration. A zone should have slowed that down considerably, especially since the New Orleans players were visibly intimidated by Hickson’s shot-blocking.

    I won’t go into it all in detail here, but I had a lot of issues with the coaching of this game, from the game plan (esp. the NBA-style clear-outs for one player on offense) to the in-game adjustments. Reading about the possible discontent on the team, there is a lot to deal with for the staff, but I still pretty much lay this loss on their doorstep.

  12. wbnation 11/19/2007 at 2:54 PM #

    I just never understood why we never saw the zone last night. Make the midgets shoot from the outside, grab missed shots, hit free throws, win by 25. Seemed to me that Lowe and company were using this game as an experiment game. Figured we would win by 30, so try different rotations, different matchups etc. Never tried different defenses though. So by the time we realized that all the experimenting we were doing wasn’t working and never got us into a flow, it was a 5 point game, and we panicked. Made boneheaded plays and lost to a subpar-midget team.

    Need to figure out whos playing what and when quickly or its going to be a long season. There are expectations of these players that wasn’t there last year time to see if they can handle it. Last years bar was set low, its not the case this year, teams expect to get a good game out of us and thus bring their A game. Not flying under the radar anymore.

  13. Pack92 11/19/2007 at 2:54 PM #

    The chemistry displayed in the ACCT last year was at the end of a LONG road. An addition of talent like Hickson, albeit VERY good talent, will take time to work itself out fully in terms of team chemistry. The chemistry will come.
    There is NO excuse for a lack of intensity whether you play D1 basketball or recreation center ping-pong. Focus and desire went a long way towards overcoming a lack of talent last year. This year, we have no lack of talent. So far, we apparently don’t have focus and desire either. Sid will get there but it will take time.

  14. JimValvano 11/19/2007 at 2:57 PM #

    If I were the coach…my line-up would look like this:
    PG-Degand
    SG-Grant
    SF-Horner
    PF-McCauley
    C-Hickson
    6th-Costner
    7th-Fells
    8th-Gonzalez
    9th-Smith
    10th-Ferguson
    At the point guard position there are aspects of both players games that need work (decision making), but to be more than honest…from what I’ve seen so far…neither of the two are ACC caliber.
    At shooting guard Fells has underachieved. Fells has underachieved his whole career. He is one of the most talented players on the team, but until he steps up I let Grant move to the off guard spot in the starting line-up.
    With Grant moving to shooting guard we will need someone to play small forward. I wish it were Costner, but he looks the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man. He’s either on the rag and retaining water or he’s gained too much weight. If he could drop the weight he gained in the offseason plus the five pounds he was too heavy last year. I would put him at the three as I’m sure his performance will be much better and he’ll have the energy to hustle. Until then…I give his starting job to Horner. Horner is fit and hustles and has just as sweet of a shot as Costner (if not better). I think that all Horner needs is playing time to help his confidence which will translate into better play.
    Since Costner is about 20 pounds overweight…he’s a power forward. The problem is…McCauley is the better player. What?!? Yes, McCauley is the better player. Ben is unselfish. Ben doesn’t care who is the star of the game. He hustles. And most importantly…he and Grant are the true emotional leaders of our team. McCauley provides an energy for us that Costner stores in the spare tire he’s developed around his waist. Therefore, I start McCauley and back him up with the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man while keeping an eye on Tracy Smith to see if he wants to steal minutes from Costner.
    The center position will be held down by Hickson…for obvious reasons. He doesn’t belong playing college hoops. He should’ve been able to go straight to The League. Backing him up will be Tracy Smith and McCauley…if we can find a chance to take Hickson outta the game. Hickson looks great thusfar, but if I were the coaching staff I try and work with him a little on understanding double and triple teams and the best ways to attack them. Besides that…he’s an All Conference player as a freshman and could possibly be second or third team All American.
    The players on the bench are there due to lack of talent or lack of effort or lack of experience. I would give Costner and Fells every opportunity to earn their minutes back. Gonzalez and Degand would get somewhat equal minutes…maybe I’d start Degand but finish the game with Gonzalez whom seems to be a little bit of a cooler head than Degand. Tracy Smith just needs a little playing time in order to adjust to the higher level of competition. For now…I try to find him between 8 to 12 minutes a game, but out of the big men…he’d be the first to lose minutes (unfortunately…not much choice). That leaves us with Ferguson. He’s the guy that has the lack of talent. I don’t think its an effort issue with him…he’s just not as quick or as strong as his competition. His minutes would be limited in the same way as Smith’s…spot duty while someone is in foul trouble or if someone is sick or injured. I would find him between 2 and 5 minutes a game as things are right now, but if Fells steps up his game Fergie could find himself not even needing to wear a jersey under his warm-ups.
    With all that said…I hope Coach Lowe went into the locker room last night and told the guys to not bother getting undressed to take a shower. I hope he didn’t even give them a post game speech and just told them he’d be out on the court waiting on them to get on the baseline.
    The other thing I want everyone to remember is that it is a long season. There is a lot of teaching to be done. We just played our second game. Coach Lowe should keep the ten man rotation and see what he’s got. Figure out how each player handles each situation. It would be idiotic to cut the rotation to eight players (at this point in the season) and limit your knowledge of your team and limit the playing experience from the players you might have to lean on due to injury later in the season. As the ACC schedule approaches I think you’ll see Coach Lowe start to trim minutes away from the players who don’t perform. By the second half of the conference schedule you’ll see us playing with a mostly eight man rotation.
    These early season games are a LEARNING EXPERIENCE!!! Coach Lowe might have just let the guys play the game the way they wanted to play…so that after the game he could say, “See guys…your playground, pick-up game bullshit doesn’t work with officials and other guys that are playing for more than community braggin’ rights. It’s time to come together as a team and let me show you how to WIN.”
    There’s a lot of mental work going on right now. All of these games make up what we call a SEASON. It is November. The ACC tournament starts March 13…there is a lot of time there to work on preparing this team for the NCAA tournament.

  15. jbpackfan 11/19/2007 at 2:57 PM #

    With a rotation of only Hickson, Costner and McCauley at the 4-5, its very simple to give them all enough minutes. Even if you give Hickson and Costner 28-30 each, McCauley will get 20-24. I think the minutes should be split fairly evenly however, based on McCauley’s talent and prior contributions, so it should be more like 25-27 each. There is no excuse for Lowe to keep Ben on the bench as much as he has this year.

    There are 40 minutes at point- I don’t care how Degand and Gonzalez split it.

    There are 80 minutes at the 2-3. Grant should get 30, leaving 25 for Fells, 15 for Horner, and even 10 for whoever else can contribute, or to redistribute among these 3. I am not suggesting Horner play 2, he will always play 3, while Grant will play both.

    If players bitch and moan about that arrangement, then maybe they should go somewhere else.

  16. roandaddy 11/19/2007 at 2:59 PM #

    I want to apologize to everyone.. (I know this is rare in blog world).. but I was wrong. I was getting frustrated with the negative posts after W&M and asking we enjoy the 19 pt win. I still think we will be awesome and its some early year rust as we try to figure out the best team to put on the court, but I was overly optimistic.
    How many jrs/srs did NO play? Having that consistancy is a real advantage early in the season. Our team will gell and Sid will find the best players to put out there, we just need to be battle tested some more.

  17. Mr O 11/19/2007 at 3:06 PM #

    I don’t think any drastic moves need to be made at this point. Basically, Costner, McCauley, Fells and Horner needs to start playing well. They aren’t even playing decent out there so far. It really isn’t any more complicated than that.

  18. Wulfpack 11/19/2007 at 3:15 PM #
  19. Dan 11/19/2007 at 3:15 PM #

    Ben should be starting. Period.

    Not starting him is a HUGE mistake. The ball movement in the post last year was the best thing we had going. Ben and Brandon had a special kind of chemistry. Ben’s passing ability was the key element of that success. They abused people down there. That sort of play needs to be the foundation. Sid was a genius last year. The inside game was a thing of beauty at times. What the hell happened?!!

    JJ is a freaking monster. But this s*@t offense right now is going to get us killed in league play. Everybody standing around watching JJ isn’t going to win us any games. Its crap. I love Sid, but somebody has to be bold enough to say it. The combined efforts of Ben and Brandon last year in the post was better than what we are getting now out of a single, no matter how freakish, guy.

    Not to mention that Ben left everything on the floor last year. Unlike Brandon, Ben rarely took plays off. That kid earned his spot. Its bs for him to lose his spot before the first game.

  20. StateFans 11/19/2007 at 3:15 PM #

    There are some FANTASTIC comments being made here….I just wanted to highlight one of them that resonated with me.

    I just never understood why we never saw the zone last night. Make the midgets shoot from the outside, grab missed shots, hit free throws, win by 25. Seemed to me that Lowe and company were using this game as an experiment game. Figured we would win by 30, so try different rotations, different matchups etc. Never tried different defenses though. So by the time we realized that all the experimenting we were doing wasn’t working and never got us into a flow, it was a 5 point game, and we panicked. Made boneheaded plays and lost to a subpar-midget team.

  21. acc10k 11/19/2007 at 3:36 PM #

    jbpackfan Says
    “There are 40 minutes at point- I don’t care how Degand and Gonzalez split it.
    There are 80 minutes at the 2-3.”
    This is exactly right, except there are not enough players in your 2-3 mix. I am firmly in the camp that says get your best players on the floor, and you have confined three of our four best players to splitting two positions. (I am assuming here that the Ben and Brandon we saw last season are still in existence.) Just 10 minutes a game with all three big guys on the floor (lets say the first three minutes of each half, and four minutes somewhere else) gets the playing time there up to the point where the they are only coming out as much as they need to rest.
    10 minutes with a three-big lineup means 70 minutes left to spread around at 2-3. One way you could split that up would be Grant 32-Fells 20-Horner 18. It is hard to see giving any of those minutes to anyone other than those three. (Though I could envision Smith adding a few more minutes to the big guys’ pool and slightly shrinking the minutes for the true wing players.)

  22. packgrad93 11/19/2007 at 3:37 PM #

    ^ I hope that wasn’t the case. Every win counts, not to mention we’re having chemistry issues & mixing it up more than necessary doens’t help. Trust the staff, they’ll work it out. Sid still has a lot to learn. This year will be tougher than last year for him. More players to keep happy & more expectations for sure.

  23. packbackr04 11/19/2007 at 3:43 PM #

    how about Simon Harris getting some PT as opposed to ferg. Tferg just plain stinks

  24. packbackr04 11/19/2007 at 3:54 PM #

    as for the Ben vs JJ starting.. does JJ give us a better shot at winning tip offs? and could this be part (just part) of the reason JJ is starting over Ben? When i first heard JJ was starting. my first thought was, oh Sid is gonna use JJ’s freakish vertical to win the tipoff then he will get Ben in ASAP. time went on and Ben got the same sloppy minutes that Tferg gets??? it didnt make any sense. also, someone has to be looking for Bens passes, i think playing jj and Ben at the same time makes JJ look even scarier, if Ben can feed him on his way to the rack with a sweet pass, its unstoppable.

    I am also not at all sold on Degand being the starter, to me he looked uncomfortable, sloppy, and he cant shoot. Javi is obviously not ready yet, but he is smarter with the ball, the better ball handler, and apperas to be a better passer. it looked like he and JJ might be communicating a little bit too. if we can get a pg on the same page as jj, it would help. i also have read that Javi is 6 ft tall? that kid is 5’9″ tops! there is no way he is 6’0″

  25. BJD95 11/19/2007 at 4:03 PM #

    If this team is going to be really good, it has to incorporate J.J. Hickson. Period. The chemistry with Brandon and Ben has to incorporate him (as it should – you can’t double-team Costner anymore), not exclude him.

    Yeah, this team without Hickson probably would have beaten UNO last night. It would also win 6-8 games in ACC play, and be on the NCAA bubble at best.

    Again, you can’t punish or be pissed at Hickson for being as good as he is. If you want Ben and Brandon to start, you have to go “Three Big.” There’s simply no other option. You can’t bench the guy who has easily been our most productive player ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT because the players around him have trouble adjusting their roles. What message would that send to Hickson? To other franchise recruits looking at NC State?

    The era of being “plucky” is over, folks. It’s not a sustainable way to challenge for championships.

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