A View from the Cheap Seats

Perhaps the Gameday crew will mention it in passing Saturday morning. Otherwise, I expect the most coverage The Biggest Game of the Year will garner nationally will be when its score scrolls across the bottom of other games. After all, it’s just a little backyard rivalry that will certainly never matter like the Red Sox-Yankees or Ohio State-Michigan, and it could never possibly register on the scale of Colts-Patriots.

C’mon, let’s be honest: it doesn’t even matter to the ACC race. The undeniable fact is that an overwhelming majority of Americans won’t know this game is even being played and wouldn’t care if they did.

But that’s fine; I understand completely.

Because the truth is, I couldn’t give a rat’s hindquarters what the overwhelming majority of Americans think about this game, and I won’t waste my time arguing its merits as an intense, important rivalry because I couldn’t care less to whom else it’s important.

See, for those of us who were born in little places called Moravian Falls or grew up in Iron Station or Elm City, and for those of us that have lived in Asheville or Wilmington or anywhere in between, and for those of us that draw battle lines depending upon whether real barbeque is Lexington-style or Eastern-style – just so we’re clear: I’m a born and bred Westerner but I can assure you when The Great Pork War breaks out I’m siding with Wilber’s because Eastern-style is the only true pig fit for pickin’ – and especially for those of that have had our classes in Mann or Riddick Hall interrupted by the rumbling by of a passing train, we know precisely what this game means.

It’s so much bigger than any other game ESPN could possibly shove down our throats any given Saturday. Sure, in a few weeks I’ll watch Ohio State play Michigan and Auburn play Alabama, because I’m a fan of college football (particularly SEC football) and I enjoy watching good games. But I have no vestment in which of those teams wins, because I’m a State fan, which invariably means I hate Carolina.

Let me elaborate: I despise Carolina with every last ounce of passion I can muster; actually, I hate the whole principle of Carolina. In fact, it’s probably sinful how much I wholly detest them.

But without Carolina to hate, what’s the point? At the most basic level, that’s really what it’s all about to a State fan, right?

Every hero requires a villain and every rivalry must be fueled off some common ground, so no matter how much we might loathe them, we can’t deny they’re a part of our lives. We’ve sat at the Thanksgiving dinner table with them, in the pew beside them, in the office next to them. We’ve developed lifelong friendships with them and even been in their weddings. And for every one of us that has introduced a friend and quickly annotated it with “He’s a Carolina fan – but he’s still an ok guy,” we’ll be battling Saturday for the coveted opportunity to make that post-game gloating phone call; most likely we’ll get their voicemail, which is actually all that much sweeter, because it’s like an extra turn of the dagger.

And that really is what it’s all about, right? We all know it’s much more fun to make that call than it is to receive it; it’s an unadulterated, blissful moment. And until you’ve either made that call or suffered through it, how can you ever truly understand what this game means?

So ESPN can have Ohio State-Michigan – I could care less who wins that game.

Because I’m a State fan and it really is this simple: Go to hell Carolina!

About LRM

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77 Responses to A View from the Cheap Seats

  1. JeremyH 11/06/2007 at 10:09 PM #

    i’m watching it. they played a zone against us the whole night. its 8 minutes left and I think we have double their score. fergeson playing a lot, i think has hit 3 3s.

  2. Sw0rdf1sh 11/06/2007 at 10:25 PM #

    TNCSU^^^^ We won by 35.

    Something like 76-41

  3. JeremyH 11/06/2007 at 10:27 PM #

    i understand we have a lot of new players, and they need to gain experience, but i can’t understand silly mistakes from returners on the team. i think this is why fells was yanked. charges, bad passes, etc.

    i hope Javi can raise the IQ on this team, its a different team without atsur. sometimes I see degand try to show off his speed and loses control. also i hope that Sid can start think about recruiting three point shooters at some point, prior coach’s recruits (Costner, Horner) won’t be there forever. also it wouldn’t hurt to look at international recruits like prior did.

  4. redfred2 11/06/2007 at 10:42 PM #

    Great stuff LRM, love it!!!

    Yep, it’s a love to hate kind of affair. A large majority of their fans are so young, just like a lot of our own, that they don’t really realize it YET, but those young folks on both sides, will soon learn to love to hate just as deeply as their parents did. That might sound bad, but that’s when it’s really GOOOOD.

  5. TNCSU 11/06/2007 at 10:52 PM #

    Thanks Swordfish. Did Javi play tonight? 76 points isn’t alot against Pembroke — we’re going to have to find a way to beat a zone….I’m sure we will — it’s very early.

  6. JeremyH 11/06/2007 at 11:02 PM #

    TNCSU – they slowed the game down, tried to take a lot off the shot clock, etc. had a bit to do with the scoring total. no javi yet.

  7. redfred2 11/06/2007 at 11:15 PM #

    “they slowed the game down, tried to take a lot off the shot clock, etc. h the scoring total. had a bit to do with the scoring total.”

    Wait, doesn’t that sound kind of familiar?

  8. redfred2 11/06/2007 at 11:16 PM #

    ^except for the typo

  9. PackMan97 11/06/2007 at 11:18 PM #

    “it doesn’t now, and it won’t ever in the future. This is the ACC, where basketball matters, it is our culture, heritage, and birthright. Case, Smith, Bubas. Rosenbluth, Thompson, and Heyman. Football’s fun, but it don’t matter like basketball…it never will for us in NC.”

    Beating UNC-CH in ANYTHING matters. Football, soccer, field hockey, badmitten, golf, cricket, jacks, rock paper scissors, the price is right, jeopardy it ALL MATTERS! Nothing else matters but beating UNC-CH.

    A successful season is made when NC State beats UNC-CH!

    There is no such thing as “football” doesn’t matter. It matters because it is a chance to beat the tarholes and as I said above, that’s ALL THAT MATTERS!

    Heck, I’d give up the ’74 and ’83 titles to never lose again to UNC-CH!

  10. redfred2 11/06/2007 at 11:21 PM #

    Sounds like a good coach though, it wasn’t working and we almost doubled their score, but he stuck with it to the end. Good man, runs a clean program too.

  11. JeremyH 11/06/2007 at 11:41 PM #

    maybe we can turn the tables like the red sox did on the yankees. still i think it’s the girl-to-guy ratio that’s holding us down. I cannot imagine what the recruiting weekend was like for this guy:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/ncaa/11/05/bc.bkc.zeller.ncarolina.ap/index.html

    “They all had great coaches and great people. I just felt a little more comfortable with North Carolina.”

    If I had since Vince Carter on my left, and hot UNC groupie girls on my right, I’d feel fairly comfortable also.

  12. FrankManor 11/07/2007 at 12:17 AM #

    “I need FrankManor’s phone number so I can make one of those calls. All my UNC fans will be singing the “I’m not a Carolina football fan” by 4pm on Saturday.”

    you won’t have to; plenty of other fellers will be calling me.

    of course, I don’t call my friends from other schools when we beat them, so I get a bit irked when I get shit talk to me, especially when I make no claims about who will win or lose. Whatever, I can take that…it’s a lot more clever than the unoriginal, tired puerile homophobic shit half of you come up with on here.

    and also, rest assured that I’m a Carolina fan all around, from FB to BB and everything in between. When we’re 1-10 in FB and 8-20 in BB (which was my first year living in Raleigh, by the way…) I’m still there, getting the calls I never made dialed to me.

    regardless…you have no need to call me: I didn’t call you or make any predictions to you, and the line will be busy of other people calling me anyway.

  13. noah 11/07/2007 at 12:23 AM #

    “and nope, the coaching staff couldn’t coach out Willie’s fumbling…you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him hold on to the football.”

    While I agree that the Belly coaching staff couldn’t coach…the rumors of Willie Parker’s fumbles are about as valid as Terry Forster’s weight on his 1983 topps playing card.

    I believe it was shown, on the Tard Pit of all places, that Parker actually fumbled/carry ratio was below the league average and certainly better than the guys getting the bulk of the carries.

    Parker was benched at UNC because he and Belly had very deep personal problems with one another. It had nothing to do with fumbling.

  14. packwolf90 11/07/2007 at 12:33 AM #

    Just heard TJ yates’ phone number is circulating around State’s campus

  15. backinpack 11/07/2007 at 12:40 AM #

    “it’s a lot more clever than the unoriginal, tired puerile homophobic shit half of you come up with on here”

    Well it’s good to see you aren’t an immature name-caller….

  16. choppack1 11/07/2007 at 12:43 AM #

    When I was at State and shortly after I graduated, I had an intense hatred of the Tar Heels. I considered a large % of their fans bandwagonners or fair-weather or what I’d call “ignorantly arrogant.” The internet helped cure me of that – I realized that even my Dear Ole NC State had plenty of these fans.

    I tried to get over that intense hatred, realizing, it’s just not healthy and it’s just not fun. I do a good a job from Sunday to Friday. Then I actually see that light blue – just seeing that jersey/helmet annoys me and instictively I’m annoyed. No matter how rational I try to be about it – I can’t help it – when they are playing – I just want to see them lose. Now, if we’re good – and they are struggling – that natural angst isn’t as bad. But if we’re both good or if they’re good and we’re bad or if we’re both bad – it’s as natural and instinctive as the happiness and joy that fills you heart when you see a puppy or a baby.

    On a personal note, the good news is that this isn’t all consuming any more. When the dust settles and the game is over – I don’t hold it against my friends who are Tar Heel fans. But when tI see those Heels run into Carter-Finley, I will “BOOO!!!” at the top of my lungs without even thinking about it.

    Also, I can think of no lower non-criminal internet form of life than the fan lurking on a rivals or opponent’s web-site taunting those fans. I’m not talking about someone like nycfan – who adds valuable insight and a rational discussion to this forum and any other forum she visits or even BobLee Swagger….

  17. cooldrip 11/07/2007 at 2:32 AM #

    What you just don’t seem to get, FrankManor, is that it doesn’t really matter how UNC fans feel about STATE. We don’t care if you hate us; we hate you.

    Your presence here indicates you obviously are how we feel; it’s kind of sad really …

  18. cooldrip 11/07/2007 at 2:33 AM #

    meant to say “care” rather than “are”. Sentiment remains the same, however.

  19. NCSUownzJoo 11/07/2007 at 8:21 AM #

    I love how Frank calls us out for using stereotypes and but then goes right on to use them himself. Not only is he an idiot but he’s a hypocrite too. Perfect example of a Brokeback Hill fan. And btw if you think Brokeback Hill is anywhere CLOSE to an ivy league school, you’re one of the most deluded people I’ve ever had the misfortune of coming in contact with.

    Now, on to the State vs. UNC thing. Anyone who can’t see that there’s a clear dividing line between the type of people who go to Brokeback Hill and the type of people who go to NCSU is simply deluding himself and doesn’t want to see the truth. Granted not all of the Brokeback Hill fans are queer as a football bat, they’re not all as dumb as a box of used condoms and they’re not all prude stuck up bitches… but most of them are… and those are just some of the reasons I’d like for someone to build a wall around chapel hill, fill it with water and put a top on it.

  20. RAWFS 11/07/2007 at 10:01 AM #

    Why is that UNC fans feel the need to troll Wolfpack-oriented websites and chide the fans there for the way they feel about the State-Carolina rivalry? Really, you see it even in the Premium section of Pack Pride.

    My guess is that they feel the need to be validated.

    I’m not talking about guys like BL Swagger, bless his powder blue heart. Bob posts here and sometimes we don’t care for his insight, but most all of the time he has a good perspective on the two schools and what the rivalry means to each fan base.

    Then there are the others – UNC fans that think they have to come and set the record straight and to straighten out those ignorant Wuffies. It’s patronizing at the least and as dumb as wearing a Cleveland Browns jersey to a Pittsburgh sports bar.

  21. BLUE SUCKS 11/07/2007 at 12:24 PM #

    FrankManor, an angry poof, from Brokeback Hill … the perfect tri-fecta! Which wireless provider do you use? You get a pretty good wireless signal from that special bathroom stall on Franklin St.

  22. redfred2 11/07/2007 at 2:30 PM #

    “Why is that UNC fans feel the need to troll Wolfpack-oriented websites…”

    Don’t forget, it’s not quite yet basketball season, the unc sites are dead as doornails, and poor ol’ adidas wearing FrankManor there, is just looking for someone intelligent to talk to.

    Of course, he’ll need to come here during basketball season in order to talk to anyone with any intelligence also.

  23. WolftownVA81 11/07/2007 at 2:32 PM #

    Here’s more stuff that fuels the hatred. Anyone catch the AP article that ran yesterday titled “Tar Heels make defensive strides”. I love the analysis. Near the end they say:

    “North Carolina has good reason to be confident that it can finish the regular season with three more victories and be eligible for its first bowl since 2004 – a concept that just a few weeks ago seemed a ridiculous pipe dream. This week, the Tar Heels face rival NC State – they’ve dominated that series recently, winning three straight an 11 of 14 in the series – …..”

    No wonder they don’t list an author. No mention of how they support this still ridiculous pipe dream other than history. No mention of how each team is playing and that we have some real momentum going. Sorry I had to mention another example of the weak sports writing that is so often mentioned but it just struck a cord and goes in the column as another reason to hate UNC. We’ll see who is still bowl eligible come Saturday afternoon. Go Pack!

  24. primacyone 11/07/2007 at 3:29 PM #

    LRM,

    This entry ties for #1 the best “A View from the Cheap Seats” you written. Nice.

    I can hardly wait for the UNC/NCSU Basetball “A View…..”

  25. Packaholic1 11/07/2007 at 8:12 PM #

    Who are the refs?

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