Wolfpack Mistakes Wearing On O’Brien

N.C. State coach Tom O’Brien is beginning to show the strain.

O’Brien came off tired, disappointed, irritated and — for the first time this season — a bit dispirited Saturday. The Wolfpack had lost to Florida State 27-10. Tailback Andre Brown had suffered a broken foot and was lost for the year.

The Wolfpack (1-5, 0-3 ACC) outplayed the Seminoles much of the first half and trailed just 17-10 after three quarters at Doak Campbell Stadium. But again, there were too many turnovers, penalties and mistakes that could not be overcome.

With the score tied 10-10 late in the first half, the Pack was called for an illegal block, then had an interception in the red zone. Another interception was returned for an FSU touchdown, and a roughing-the-punter penalty against State set up another FSU score. A holding penalty wiped out a long kickoff return by Jamelle Eugene.

By game’s end, the Pack had four turnovers, nine penalties and allowed six sacks. What could have been a close game wasn’t.

“Once again, we didn’t give ourselves a chance,” O’Brien said. “We played so hard, but we still don’t play smart enough. … As I told the team, we’re still making the dumb mistakes that we’ve got to stop making.”

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105 Responses to Wolfpack Mistakes Wearing On O’Brien

  1. TNCSU 10/09/2007 at 12:55 PM #

    I’m not sure if talent level definitely correlates directly with recruiting class rankings — although it should be a good indicator. I did enjoy the comment “two benefit from good, consistent coaching (BC & Wake)” I guess you meant the good, consistent coaching BEFORE TOB left BC to come to State – I would also add GT to that list, as Chan Gailey is a good coach.

  2. TNCSU 10/09/2007 at 1:03 PM #

    From the above link:

    86. NC STATE (1-5)
    Maybe it’s time to see if there’s a campus intramural team with a good quarterback. Next: at East Carolina (Oct. 20).

    Hell, we’re in the Top 100. 🙂 That’s better than being “The Worst Div-1 Team in the Nation” as some have proclaimed.

  3. TNCSU 10/09/2007 at 1:08 PM #

    On the good side, we’re the Third ranked “1 win” team (behind Notre Dame and Duke), and we’re ranked ahead of alot of 2 and 3 win teams. Okay, I may be stretching it to say that’s “good.”

  4. cradletograve 10/09/2007 at 1:10 PM #

    State is nowhere near the worst. We aren’t even in the top 10 worst. It’s the lack of structural improvement that kills me. To see all the sports suffer from an unwillingness to look at the horrific state of these programs and hold the AD accountable. How many of us could keep our jobs with this kind of on the job performance?

  5. PamlicoPack 10/09/2007 at 1:11 PM #

    We now are last in the league in TO margin by a LOGARITHMIC factor…the #11 team is like -0.5 per game in TOs….we are at nearly -3…unbelievable…

  6. cradletograve 10/09/2007 at 1:16 PM #

    Is there any word about when Beck might be able to come back?

  7. PamlicoPack 10/09/2007 at 1:18 PM #

    shouldn’t you hold the coach of each sport accountable, rather than the AD? I agree with Fowler that you can’t tell whether the coach is getting the job done if they are operating with one hand tied behind their back due to poor facilities and lack of funding for scholarships. You give them everything they need to win, give them a few years, and then hold them accountable. He certainly pulled the plug on the last volleyball coach. I think if soccer continues to struggle after the move to an on-campus stadium, you will see Tarantini put out to pasture as well…

  8. cradletograve 10/09/2007 at 1:23 PM #

    I agree with you about holding each coach accountable, but for the last decade, Jed has done a very poor job of holding coaches accountable, in my opinion. The Amato debacle is one of the worst cases of this but having so many bad sports programs, can’t be blamed on facilities or just a brief downturn. I do hold Jed responsible for not being more on top of the performance of his coaches.

  9. TNCSU 10/09/2007 at 1:27 PM #

    ^^^We now are last in the league in TO margin by a LOGARITHMIC factor

    Actually, I think we are LAST in the NCAA in TO margin! They mentioned it during the FSU game.

  10. PamlicoPack 10/09/2007 at 1:33 PM #

    But baseball didn’t have a decent facility until what, 2003? Tennis facility was finished last year…look at the improvement we have there already. When you have crappy facilities AND you continuously fire coaches, what do you have? You still have crappy facilities, and now no-one wants to come work for your Athletics Department because you have a reputation for firing everyone…I don’t think Fowler will hesitate to pull the trigger on people when they have everything they need to work with and still don’t get the job done. Let’s see what he does with Coach Kerrigan in womens soccer. She’s done nothing in her six years on the job, and now they are getting ready to move into a new on-campus stadium. He gives HER an extension for five more years or whatever, and maybe your criticisms of Fowler are justified. Too many people are having 20-20 hindsight based on their frustration with the mess Amato left us, and wishing Fowler would have fired him earlier when, in fact, there is no way that would have ever happened…

  11. bTHEredterror 10/09/2007 at 1:41 PM #

    I’ll need to see if last weeks seeming defensive improvement was really that, or does FSU just have an anemic offense.

    We have the bye week to heal and adjust, and TOB is 6-4 coming off a bye week. ECU has a late Saturday game against UTEP who should give them hell, and while they hung up 52 on UCF, they also gave up 38. UCF actually scored quicker on ECU than they did on us takiong the opening kickoff back. The Israel kid threw for 313 yards and 2 TD/2 INT, which tells me ECU has no pass d. They Avg 123 yards rushing and 192 yards passing a game, far from an offensive juggernaut, and they give up lots of points. So far their defense has been worse than ours (32.8 pts surrendered per game) against a weaker schedule. We should have a chance against them, but the rest of the schedule will be tough to say the least with the myriad of injuires we have to contend with.

  12. RedTerror29 10/09/2007 at 2:18 PM #

    If an AD can judge talent, it’s not hard to hire good coaches (from smaller schools) with poor facilities, it’s just hard to keep them. Look at WCU’s baseball program. They didn’t have lights, frigging lights to play a night game at home until a few years ago. There baseball facilities are still a far cry from most baseball powerhouses. They’ve managed to field some very good teams, despite not being able to keep their coaches (I believe the coaches at Tenn and ECU came from WCU).

    The “it’s the individual coaches fault” argument sounds directing all the blame for a faltering football program towards the coordinators. Amato seemed happy to keep canning coordinators and keep his job. And Fowler probably would have happily let him if things hadn’t gotten really bad. Dorell at UCLA will probably be happy to fire another coordinator if UCLA is foolish enough to give him that chance. Bottom line, as long as Fowler has been on the job, he’s had an opportunity to address enough coaching deficiencies through who he as fired/hired for us to at least be competitive in the ACC, not bringing up the rear.

  13. RedTerror29 10/09/2007 at 2:20 PM #

    TNCSU, yeah, I’m crediting BC for benefiting from the foundation TOB laid, and Jags not screwing anything up, thusfar. I would have disagreed about Gailey’s abilities as a coach, but I didn’t realize how badly their recruiting has been. I know they have academic restrictions, but if UVA can do it GT certainly should be able to recruit sitting in GA.

  14. waxhaw 10/09/2007 at 2:35 PM #

    The Trustees and administration look at athletic department finances. That is why Fowler received an extension. In that area, we are doing as good or better than we ever have before.

  15. PamlicoPack 10/09/2007 at 3:32 PM #

    ^nail, head. Board of Trustees and Chancellor want players who graduate and won’t show up on the front page of the paper for the wrong reasons. At some level, I agree with that. I’m glad we aren’t Tennessee or Georgia or Oklahoma. Does anybody know anything about a single academic program at any of those schools? I sure don’t, other than the fact that Oklahoma has the Tornado tracking center. They are recognized primarily for their athletic accomplishments.

    That said, we absolutely should be doing better in the ACC across the board than we have been. But for Fowler to maintain the department in the black while simultaneously carrying out the largest athletics building program in school history is in itself a significant accomplishment, and that is probably the reason he got the extension. I will just have to agree to disagree with most of you that threatening all your coaches with the axe is the way to improve the performance of your department. Yeah, they do that at places like Auburn…but do we REALLY want to be an Auburn? Sure they are national contenders and champions in a number of sports across the board. They are also symbolic (like most of the SEC schools) of the tail wagging the dog…

  16. Rick 10/09/2007 at 5:11 PM #

    “I don’t think Fowler will hesitate to pull the trigger on people when they have everything they need to work with and still don’t get the job done.”

    You have nothing whatsoever to base this on. He has not proven willing or able to can anyone regradless of performance.

    If we were just having problems in one or even two sport this would not be a problem but we are having across the board problems. We are 0 for the fall in reegards to ACC victories. You trying to tell me it is all bad luck?

    Our problem is a lack of vision. A lack of leadership. A lack of intestinal fortitude from the top down.

  17. Sam92 10/09/2007 at 5:58 PM #

    we just made ESPN’s Bottom 10 (at 10)

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=bottom10076

  18. Mike 10/09/2007 at 6:10 PM #

    RedTerror, GT has a tough time b/c of academics. Also, Atlanta is a great area, but it is a hotbed for SEC. All the top kids there want to go to UGA, Auburn, Bama, and other teams there. GT can get very few of them.

  19. NCSUownzJoo 10/10/2007 at 7:48 AM #

    for the love of God TOB PLEASE put in Russel Wilson

  20. PamlicoPack 10/10/2007 at 11:17 AM #

    How many more QBs will have to get hurt before some of you realize IT AIN’T JUST THE QUARTERBACK?? These calls for Wilson are comical…the guy looks like he’s about 13 years old and 140 pounds when he’s standing on the sidelines.

  21. choppack1 10/10/2007 at 9:15 PM #

    “How many more QBs will have to get hurt before some of you realize IT AIN’T JUST THE QUARTERBACK?? These calls for Wilson are comical…the guy looks like he’s about 13 years old and 140 pounds when he’s standing on the sidelines.”

    So, you like the idea of the 2-headed monster who have combined to throw more INTs than all but one team in Division 1A football?

    Daniel Evans ain’t exactly a greek god out there.

    Let me ask you this:
    1) Do you think that Evans is suddenly going to get faster in the next 6 games?
    2) Do you think Evans will arm will get stronger in the next 6 games?
    3) Do you think our OL will be able to protect him enough so that he has time to make throws?
    4) Do you think he’ll learn how to throw on the run in the next 6 games?
    5) Do you think he’ll be able to scramble his way out of trouble the next 6 games?
    6) Do you think he’ll improve enough to have our offense score more than 1.5 TDs a game?
    7) Do you think Beck’s decision making will improve enough to be effective in the next 6 games?
    8) Do you think Beck’s accuracy will improve enough to be effective the next 6 games?

    You’re right – it’s not just the OL. But last week and against BC, the QBs made killer mistakes. If they had made better judgements, we would have won.

    We know that Evans and Beck isn’t the anser – Wilson, heck, why NOT give him a chance?

  22. PamlicoPack 10/11/2007 at 9:32 AM #

    I shudder to think how bad Burke and Wilson must be in practice for them to conclude they SHOULDN’T see the field. See, the difference between you and me is that I trust the guys who we are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars, and who have been working with college quarterbacks for over 40 years of combined experience to make that call, and you obviously don’t.

  23. noah 10/11/2007 at 10:45 AM #

    “We know that Evans and Beck isn’t the anser – Wilson, heck, why NOT give him a chance?”

    Because head coaches shouldn’t put into motion a gameplan that basically amounts to throwing excrement against the wall to see what sticks.

    Because there’s a very good reason starters get more playing time than the guys one the bench and because there’s a reason the players are labeled “first string,” “second string,” “third string” and so on.

    Because we aren’t going to a bowl no matter what this year.

    Because we will be fielding football teams at later dates. Therefore, it would be nice to be able to redshirt true freshmen (especially ones who aren’t ready to play) in order to maximize the leadership and experience of future teams.

    Because it’s not like Wilson was a high school all-american from a major powerhouse. He was a lightly-recruited, smallish QB, who the previous staff spotted during a camp session that his smallish, private high school attended.

  24. choppack1 10/11/2007 at 1:20 PM #

    Pam Pack and Noah – Do you guys know for a fact that Wilson has been bad in practice? In the #s released from the scrimmages, his #s were better than other 3 QBs. Granted, I didn’t see those scrimmages and I think one may have been against the scout team – but those practices were more than 7 weeks ago.

    Like I’ve said earlier, I’ve actually talked to someone who has seen him practice and he thinks that Wilson may be our best option. I can understand trying to red-shirt him – especially if you think he’s hanging around 5 years to play football here. I can also understand trying to protect his confidence.

    However, to act like playing him amounts to “throw something on the wall and see if it sticks” isn’t really fair or constructive. If you’ve watched, you know what I know….If the situation was right – Evans could be an effective enough QB – he needs a good line and running game. In the right situation, he’s moved the ball. But he’s not going to have a lot of those this year. As a result, he’ll look good until a defense can make their adjustments. Sometimes, as we saw against UCF – that isn’t even one possession. Other times – like against FSU – it takes longer.

    Talk about throw something on the wall and see if it sticks – when was the last time Evans led us to more than 2 TDs? Heck, when was the last time Evans led us to 2 TDs?

  25. noah 10/11/2007 at 1:51 PM #

    Believe whatever you like.

    If you think that the program is being held back because we won’t play our FOURTH-string quarterback…hey, it’s a free country.

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