Wolfpack Mistakes Wearing On O’Brien

N.C. State coach Tom O’Brien is beginning to show the strain.

O’Brien came off tired, disappointed, irritated and — for the first time this season — a bit dispirited Saturday. The Wolfpack had lost to Florida State 27-10. Tailback Andre Brown had suffered a broken foot and was lost for the year.

The Wolfpack (1-5, 0-3 ACC) outplayed the Seminoles much of the first half and trailed just 17-10 after three quarters at Doak Campbell Stadium. But again, there were too many turnovers, penalties and mistakes that could not be overcome.

With the score tied 10-10 late in the first half, the Pack was called for an illegal block, then had an interception in the red zone. Another interception was returned for an FSU touchdown, and a roughing-the-punter penalty against State set up another FSU score. A holding penalty wiped out a long kickoff return by Jamelle Eugene.

By game’s end, the Pack had four turnovers, nine penalties and allowed six sacks. What could have been a close game wasn’t.

“Once again, we didn’t give ourselves a chance,” O’Brien said. “We played so hard, but we still don’t play smart enough. … As I told the team, we’re still making the dumb mistakes that we’ve got to stop making.”

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105 Responses to Wolfpack Mistakes Wearing On O’Brien

  1. Wolf Dog 10/08/2007 at 10:01 AM #

    We gonna have to play a lot smarter to overcome our QB play. Amato had the ear of Mickey Andrews and after the first quater you noticed Evans was struggling. Evans is not tall so FSU was having their DL rush more upright and straight at Evans and getting their hands up. Amato knows Evans has to hold the ball to let the line spread out so he can see the field. Which means Evans misses quick timing patterns and doesnt see down the middle of the field very well and misses wide open targets like Stone streaking down the middle wide open. Given that and his weak arm with his floaters to the side that equal ints, we going to continue to struggle at QB. I give our coaches credit they tried rolling Evans out as much as possible, but FSU was wise to it. Overall I liked our effort in the game except what the heck is up with our punter? He killed us in a tight game where field position was so important.

  2. Mr O 10/08/2007 at 10:16 AM #

    Just a painful season all the way around and it is frustrating that essentially there is nothing that can be done to change the course of the season. There appears to be no answer at QB any time soon.

    I am planning on going to Gville in two weeks. It will be tough to watch the game if it goes as I expect.

  3. vtpackfan 10/08/2007 at 10:42 AM #

    I do agrea with the above mentioned observation by W D, but I don’t buy totally into the Evans is “short and noodle armed” approach many have turned to. Contrary he is listed as 6’2″ and 191 lbs. (I know, the weight is a stretch), and because of great technique throws a moderately decent long ball. It may be described as a “floater”, but it has great revolutions causing to almost always be a near perfect spiral and is very catchable when timed right.

    The real crux of the matter is footwork. It is lazy and flatfooted at best and quickly descends into passive and reactionary (understandable if you’ve taken some of these licks and still see Meare’s Green in the huddle). I don’t know if Johnny ever really worked with his son in regards to footwork, but it’s obvious the Broughton H.S. Coach schooled him well. The shotgun snap every play took virtually any chance that Daniel had to be succesfull at the next leval away from him. His only shot was working extensively with coaches at NC State starting his redshirt year on footwork technique, and judging our QB play from the time PR left it is anyones guess what these Coaches were doing with QB’s before Bibles arrival.

    In October’s version of the “Wolfpacker” there is a great interview by Jacey Zembal with Dana Bible, Mike Glennon, Matt Ryan, and Justin Burke, talking about what the expections and routine is for a high school recruit to get through in order to receive a QB scholly offer from TOB and Bible. In short it is a very different approach, and it doesn’t take much reading between the lines to suggest that none of our top three QB’s listed on the depth chart would have ever landed in Raleigh with schollies. Burke actually worked out at BC and didn’t get offered one.

  4. DRW 10/08/2007 at 10:49 AM #

    ^I’ll be there, too, Mr. O. But I am definitely not looking forward to it either.

  5. packpigskinfan23 10/08/2007 at 10:50 AM #

    ^but wasnt Stone offered at BC, but picked NCState?!

    and also, I see D.Evans every day. He’s no 6″2′.

  6. packpigskinfan23 10/08/2007 at 10:51 AM #

    that las post was for VTpack, and switch those dashes on the height. I guess the stress of this football season is messing with me as well.

  7. ADS95 10/08/2007 at 11:03 AM #

    packpigskinfan23,

    Yes, BC actually had Stone listed higher than Matt Ryan on their QB recruiting chart five years ago.

    A LOT of schools wanted Stone. Recruiting can be roll of the dice a lot of the time.

  8. CarnifeX 10/08/2007 at 11:25 AM #

    stick with it TOB, Wolfpack Nation is behind you. We feel it too.

  9. Sam92 10/08/2007 at 12:05 PM #

    TOB’s frustration is a good sign – clear evidence that he finds the current performance to be unacceptable. That’s exactly what we want. Unfortunately, it’s likely to continue for the rest of this season (I’m still optimistic about beating ECU though.)

  10. thebigwood 10/08/2007 at 12:26 PM #

    Is it possible that Stone could have performed better in a different system?

  11. packplantpath 10/08/2007 at 12:26 PM #

    I don’t see how anybody can thing this team is capable of beating ECU or anybody else for that matter.

    Here is my test for the rest of the year. Look at every game played by the opposing team. If they scored more than 21 points against a half-way decent team at any point in the past two months, we probably lose.

    That said, a win is not impossible, it just seems to be very unlikely.

  12. RochesterRedWolf 10/08/2007 at 12:35 PM #

    what i understood is that Stone was NOT a pro-style passer but more of a dual threat guy which is why sadly he was probably never gonna work in Raleigh under Amato which makes you wonder why in the world Amato recruited guys like that who are obviously not part of the system you have. I think the whole lineup is full of people who are squre pegs/round hole type guys who Amato often moved around, especially as I think Noah pointed out that you’ve got alot of DLinemen types who were put on the OL at some point in their careers under CTC.

    and TOB’s frustration (publically) is of course a good sign but who here thought he was satisfied after any game so far this season? We’re just fans some more hardcore than others but the level of commitment that goes into not only being a player but a coach as well at D1 and NFL level…it’s safe to say we’ll probably never know that level of disappointment/frustration.

  13. PamlicoPack 10/08/2007 at 12:37 PM #

    It is becoming clear this will be the worst season of TOB’s coaching career. We aren’t even going to sniff 4-8, and I think it will take a virtual miracle to finish 3-9 (that would require two of (Virginia, ECU, UNC, Miami) to play the worst game of their season against us). I see us as having no chance whatsoever against Wake and Maryland.

  14. wolfpacker420 10/08/2007 at 1:10 PM #

    wow getting ahead of ourselves aren’t we? 1-11 or 2-10 if we’re lucky!

  15. MadWolf92 10/08/2007 at 1:21 PM #

    vtpackfan: “Burke actually worked out at BC and didn’t get offered one.”

    This is not to say that they don’t like him as a quarterback or that he’s not very good. Jacob Charest couldn’t get an offer out of TOB and crew either.

  16. RochesterRedWolf 10/08/2007 at 1:28 PM #

    let’s be ridiculously optimistic a sec pamlico (btw my dad lives in Fairfield by Lake Mattamuskeet)…if we don’t have all those turnovers against FSU (big ridiculous IF part) that game is probably one of those 17-20, 24-21, maybe even a 24-27 game and we probably lose anyway. The team definitely showed improvement though, that should be some cause for ridiculous irrational optimism.

  17. Wolf Dog 10/08/2007 at 1:30 PM #

    Good post by vtpackfan. I agree Evans would be a better QB with better foot work. He has a very nice accurate throw when he sets up correctly. His arm strenght is not a problem when he plants steps and throws, but he does not have a strong enough arm to compensate for when he doesn’t and his passes are weak when he has throw on the run. I think if Stone were not a senior he and/or the coaching staff may have given him another shot at QB, but Stone wants to stick it out at TE and frankly he’s been a good TE. Would be nice to see him get the ball more.

    Our Qb’s are struggling with the mental aspect of the game. Evans had happy feet after the first quarter, he was clearly rattled. And when is the last time one of our QB’s took off and got us a first down. If the staff can get these boys to settle down on game day, we will win a few more games.

    One thing I do like TOB has the kids go to class on Friday before msot all away games, not all schools do that.

  18. haze 10/08/2007 at 1:32 PM #

    3-9 would be a solid finish from here.

    That said, we were at least in the UL & FSU games for a while. We were NEVER in the Clemson game and weren’t long in the game against BC. The rest of our schedule looks more like UL & FSU than like BC or Clemson.

    We can win 2-3 of these games, we just have to stop ACTIVELY sucking out there. Seriously, it takes work to produce a -19 turnover total in a mere 5 D1A games (21 TO’s, 2 takeaways). That’s a -3.8 average per D1A game. You have to TRY to do something that badly.

    Stop trying so hard and we might actually win a game or 2.

  19. wxpack 10/08/2007 at 1:41 PM #

    I think it is time to build for next year and use the rest of the year to experiment with younger players and see who can play smart. This team is destined to finish 1-11. I really can’t see any team on our schedule that we would even be favored to win.

  20. jo2g5 10/08/2007 at 1:57 PM #

    Not that it matters but did anyone else think the florida state player stepped on the line on that last interception? After that ridiculous call for roughing the kicker and the non call for offensive pass interference I guess I shouldn’t expect a call to go our way.

  21. noah 10/08/2007 at 2:30 PM #

    “Is it possible that Stone could have performed better in a different system?”

    No. Stone was rated where he was because he was tall, strong, fast and could throw a football through a brick wall. That’s usually the reason QBs are highly-regarded in high school.

    The holes are a LOT smaller in college. They open and close a lot faster too. It’s very difficult to project high school QBs to college.

    Not everyone was in love with Stone though. I think Tom Lemmings had him extremely high, but there were other folks who had him in the middle of the pack.

    And if it makes you feel any better, there was a spirited debate way back when about who would be the better QB, Stone or Nick Cangelosi, who had committed to UNC.

    Arguing about who had the better college career at QB would be like arguing over who was faster, Brian D’Amico or Ralph Kitley?

    Cangelosi transferred after one season to Georgetown and was pretty mediocre even at the lower level. Presumably, he got a fine education though.

  22. vtpackfan 10/08/2007 at 2:37 PM #

    “This is not to say that they don’t like him as a quarterback or that he’s not very good. Jacob Charest couldn’t get an offer out of TOB and crew either.”

    I’m with you 100%. Let me qoute an excerpt from the aforementioned article.

    [Bible started the workout in 1990 when he was the QBs coach for the Cincinatti Bengles under then head coach Sam Wyche.
    “I put my own spin on it,” Bible said. “You try and put them in positions where they are not comfortable. When they are comfortable, they should be successful. You try and put them in positions where they are off-balance or out of sorts or their timing isn’t right.”]

    This isn’t fall or spring workouts folks. This is a mandatory 45 minute session that the staff requires a RECRUIT to perform before the evaluation goes to the next step: the offer.

    I’m sure many high quality QB’s have either not impressed Bible in this workout or simply thought it foolish to partake in the pressure situation when so many of todays coaches rely heavily on film.

    The article made no mention of Russell Wilson. He may have been recruited by the previous staff and re offered by TOB w/o going through the workout.

  23. RedTerror29 10/08/2007 at 2:38 PM #

    ^^Yes. There were four terrible calls in a fairly short period of time there, and the last three didn’t go our way. That’s a bit excessive for make-up calls.

  24. RickJ 10/08/2007 at 2:49 PM #

    Our propensity for turning the ball over is well documented but here is a stat that I find hard to believe:

    The 5 Division 1 opponents we have faced this year have run a total of 374 plays from scrimmage (doesn’t include punt & kickoff plays. We have recovered zero fumbles against these teams.

  25. BJD95 10/08/2007 at 3:12 PM #

    I would be ecstatic to finish 2-10, provided that we beat UNC. Really, there are only 4 W/L goals remaining, absent some kind of divine intervention:

    1) Avoid going 0-for-ACC
    2) Avoid losing 10+ games
    3) Beat UNC
    4) Beat ECU

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