Will you PLEASE get this message out?!

If you want some ECU, then hopefully you didn’t miss our pre-game/in-game entry or our first postgame entry. We’ll have a little more State-ECU talk during the week since we were busy with work last week and didn’t have a lot leading up to the game.

Today’s entry is focused on something much more broad in the NC State community. SFN is always looking for ways to offer improvement to NC State, and we sincerely can’t think of an easier topic to try to hammer home to Wolfpackers than the desperate need to change the way we cheer at NC State’s games. We’re serious. Hopefully, with your help, we can be a successful ‘change agent’ of a major flaw rooted deep within the NC State football/basketball environment.

The following video was taken from the field of Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium after NC State’s ‘legislated’ ass-whooping on Saturday. When you watch it, pay special attention to the beginning when you can clearly hear the “Nnnnnn Ccccccc State…NC State” cheer resonate from the stands. Note how weak the cheer is. Note how sloppy it is. Note how short it lasts because of the fans frustration with their inability to execute it (for probably the one-thousandth time in their lives).

Did you hear how horrible it was?

As we have highlighted before – why on God’s green earth do our fans – conditioned for years by the cheerleaders – INSIST on such an IMPOSSIBLE cheer to execute?

Have you ever been to an SEC or Big 12 football game? It really doesn’t matter which school. They all have a SERIES of cheers, chants and shouts that they execute in unison in response to cheerleaders, songs by the band and events that happen on the field (kickoffs etc). It is very impressive. Anyone who has ever been to such a venue will note that the common element that exists in each dictum is the brevity of the expression and the consistency of its delivery (while not trying to escalate or de-celerate pace).We turn your attention back to this old entry about Kansas State’s embarrassing pre-game video and want to re-emphasize and re-construct the following comments that we made at the time.

Note the use of the SIMPLE, two syllable chant/cheer that the crowd screamed with “K – State”. Note how they don’t try to *#^&# everything up with needless sophistication and turn something simple into something horrible like “Kkkkkkkkkkkk Staaaaaaatee. Go K-State!” or something like that.

Last year, App State came to Raleigh and loudly cheered “A-S-U”. It resonated and made good noise because it is easy to say and all the fans can synchronize their chant. This year, “U-C-F” did the same thing. Again, it was pretty easy for them to build noise and momentum behind the simple cheer of three distinct sounds (I will call them syllables even though they technically are not)

Question: So, how do the cheerleaders and fans at three ’sound/syllable’ N-C-State choose to cheer for at least the last 20 friggin years?

Answer: Something that is impossible to synchronize or sustain for more than a couple of rounds with 60,000 fans, of course!! Think about how loud the ‘Wolf / Pack’ and ‘Red / White’ cheers are in Carter-Finley. They work great, don’t they? Gee. How does that work so well?

With that said, doesn’t it make complete sense that the naturally easy to cheer/chant, three syllable annunciation of “N-C-State” would be morphed into a garbled, unsustainable mess of a rapidly accelerating “Nnnnnnnnnnn Cccccccccccccc Staaaaaaate. NC State” that nobody can synchronize?

Said another way in this entry after a basketball game in February

Even more frustrating is how we now have decades of fans that don’t seem to be able to realize that simply chanting the three syllables of N-C-State is significantly easier and more powerful than the ridiculous Nnnnnnnnn Cccccccccc Staaaaaate. NC State.

For example, as ABC televised the crowd rush the court after the win over Carolina the audible noise was the hum behind a garbled mess that was supposed to be Nnnnnnnnn Cccccccccc Staaaaaate. NC State. Nobody outside of the Wolfpack family had a clue what was being said. It’s absurd that cheerleaders and fans expect 20,000 fans at basketball games and 60,000 fans at football games to be able to hold the cadence, the timing, the rhythm and achieve unison of this ‘cheer’ when a simple, booming “N-C-State” would/could rock…AND be heard by others!

Ladies and gentlemen…let’s do something about this!!! Pass this entry around to friends on the internet and especially on campus. Get this feedback to the cheerleaders and ‘mic-man’ who leads student cheers at football games. The only way that we can finally get this right and add some muster to our game environment is to take control of this on your own.

The next time you are in the stands and this cheer quickly fizzles – its used more often in during basketball games than football – take a moment to ask everyone around you why they bother? LEAD others into the simple, “N-C-State” and try to keep it at an even/consistent pace instead of falling for the temptation to gradually speed it up so that it will get to a point where nobody can understand it even more quickly!

We’ll have more on this…but, after decades of not having any uniformed cheers to harness our voices, let’s make a change. Please feel free to share any other ‘improvement’ suggestions and thoughts that you have in our comments section. Thanks

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67 Responses to Will you PLEASE get this message out?!

  1. noah 10/22/2007 at 2:44 PM #

    I’m with lush. I think the “go to hell Carolina, go to hell!” thing morphed out of people ONLY singing, “Go to Hell Carolina!” during the pep song.

  2. tractor57 10/22/2007 at 3:17 PM #

    I remember Bill Dooley getting really bothered about the NC State version of the Carolina alma mater when he was coaching the heels football team in the late 1970’s. It was a game at Carter Stadium and the cheerleaders led the student section is a rousing performance of the song during pre-game warm ups.

    Sung in a loud and off key voice:

    “Far beyond west Raleigh’s ditches” – etc

  3. Cosmo96 10/22/2007 at 3:18 PM #

    “It’s absurd that cheerleaders and fans expect 20,000 fans at basketball games and 60,000 fans at football games to be able to hold the cadence, the timing, the rhythm and achieve unison of this ‘cheer’ when a simple, booming “N-C-State” would/could rock…AND be heard by others!”

    The reason for the problems with this cheer is that it is rarely, if ever, done correctly. The way it is supposed to be done is in conjunction with a drum cadence. I have heard this done before, and I think it actually sounds great. I’m not sure, but I think the band does it while marching toward the stadium. Obviously, they have the percussionists there to make sure the timing of the cheer is correct.

    The problems come when people (or maybe the cheerleaders) try to freelance and do it without the drums. Thats why it gets so out of synch and sped up. Again, I actually think it’s a great cheer when done like it’s supposed to be done…the problem is that it’s rarely ever done that way. I’d hate to see it scrapped, but maybe that’s the only way to fix the problem. It would be hard to get everyone on the same page in this regard, especially during a football game.

  4. vtpackfan 10/22/2007 at 3:20 PM #

    I like the “Cassions..” song, and I love how we sneak in the “GO STATE!”. The RED/WHITE and WOLF/PACK cheer are cool becuse it’s good to connect with you West siders sitting over there in the shade all day.

    The N…C…State, ency-state! is lost on me. It’s a student section thing and I thing you need a case of Busch to get the proper syncopation down.

    We are a land grant University with a proud military background. The Marching Band is excellent IMO. If our team can pull themselves up and rise to the challenge then that’s enough for me.

  5. Cosmo96 10/22/2007 at 3:20 PM #

    ^Just for clarification, my comments were in reference to the “Nnnnnnnnnnn Cccccccccccccc Staaaaaaate. NC State” cheer.

  6. PackMan97 10/22/2007 at 3:22 PM #

    O’er the hills of Carolina
    There’s a place called “heck”
    Where 20,000 sons of whitches
    Call it Chapel Hill.

    So, piss on Carolina-lina.
    Piss on Carolina-lina.
    Piss on Carolina-lina.

    Dean Smith Sucks!

  7. vtpackfan 10/22/2007 at 3:25 PM #

    And also while your at it StateFans, you should add a reminder that everyone should have learned that words to the “star spangled banner” a long time ago.

  8. LRM 10/22/2007 at 3:30 PM #

    One of the most mesmorizing scenes in college football is watching/listening as 30,000 — yes, 30,000 — semi-dead Georgia Tech fans somehow come to life at the end of the third quarter singing, in unison, the uber-cool Budweiser song, building it up from beginning to end…

    “When you say Buweiser…you’ve said it all.”

    Then they promptly sit back down quietly, so as not to disturb the empty seats around them.

  9. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/22/2007 at 3:31 PM #

    I don’t understand why people feel like people need to sing the alma mater. I get the fact that it is to show bonds with past generations, blah, blah, blah. These alma mater’s where written in a different time. No one knows them, no one wants to know them and it is the fastest way to kill a post game celebration.

    How about the old cheer I remember as a kid back in the 70’s…

    We’re gonna whomp that side the head, gonna whomp that side the head.

    I also miss the old horns but apparently the NCAA banned those but I never forget the sound of those horns after a night game win as a kid. The horns sounded like dieing cows echoing around the stadium. Oh the memories.

  10. RochesterRedWolf 10/22/2007 at 3:35 PM #

    i say go over the pond…if u look at any of the soccer matches played, it is non-stop singing and chanting and cheering…there has got to be a way to reproduce that in american football, there are just too many ripe moments and it makes me sick when an opposing team does something to “quiet the crowd.” Why…you paid alot of money for those seats, and the team needs you to be crazy…also think of recruits man. If they went to a place where the only sane place was on the field…i’d wanna play there.

    SFN, don’t worry not really calling u out, i understand

  11. lush 10/22/2007 at 3:45 PM #
  12. Rick 10/22/2007 at 3:51 PM #

    Thanks for the link to a subscriber site.

  13. tmb81 10/22/2007 at 3:54 PM #

    The Green Bay Packer’s P.A. plays some sort of riff and the fans respond “GO PACK GO”. Not saying we should totally rip them off, but the “Go Pack Go” must rock the stadium and can clearly be heard on TV.

  14. BoKnowsNCS71 10/22/2007 at 3:56 PM #

    Maybe it’s time to put the Alma Mater to rap or rock/rap beat to get some of the peeps in the house to get down wit it.

  15. PackerInRussia 10/22/2007 at 4:06 PM #

    Heck, I didn’t even realize until someone sent my daughter an “NC State 101” book for little kids that the fight song (not the Red & White from State song) had lyrics. Of course most people probably don’t realize that the Red & White song has any lyrics other than “Go to hell Carolina”. I am proud to say that my 3 year old daughter knows the fight song and Red & White song (although she mumbles most of the lyrics). She will hum the fight song and get our one year old son to mumble “Go State” at the appropriate part. I look forward to the day in a few years when we’re back in the States attending a basketball game and get to cheer something other than a TV or computer screen. Maybe SFN will have the coordinated cheering worked out for us by then.
    Do you still start off before b-ball games by having the crowd clap and do the fight song? I thought that was kind of cool and very effective in the RBC.

  16. for2n8son 10/22/2007 at 4:26 PM #

    Back in the dark ages the football chant was ” Rack ’em up, tear ’em up, give ’em hell State.”

  17. lush 10/22/2007 at 4:28 PM #

    thanks for being a jack ass.

  18. PamlicoPack 10/22/2007 at 4:30 PM #

    Personally, I don’t want to emulate the SEC schools in ANY aspect of our football program. I’m all about old school, and old school includes the Alma Mater. I’ll take that any day after some blow-dried, focus group tested lyric designed to sound good on TV. I can’t imagine a better example of the “style over substance” mentality I despise in modern culture (for example: who cares what that climatologist in the corner has to say about global warming, since he doesn’t look good on TV…I want to know what Angelina Jolie has to say about the topic). But I digress…

    The tune “Caissons keep rolling along” is our official fight song, and has its own set of NC State specific lyrics that no-one outside of the diehards seems to know….I can’t remember all of it, but it starts out along the lines of:

    Sing aloud to the men who will play the game to win
    We’re behind you, keep fighting for State

    Hold that line, Hold ’em fast we’ll reach victory at last
    We’re behind you, keep fighting for State

    Rise up to the fray, and let your colors wave
    shout out for dear old NC State GO STATE

    And where e’er we go, We’ll let the whole world know
    We’re behind you keep fighting for State.

    And, for a different example, I absolutely love and instantly recognize the Wake fight song just by its tune. I don’t know any of the words and I’ve never heard anyone sing the words, but I recognize it as “Wake” nonetheless. Lets focus on putting a quality product on the field…all the other issues will solve themselves.

  19. lush 10/22/2007 at 4:30 PM #

    grades according to the article:

    Backcourt B
    Frontcourt A
    Intangibles A
    Overall A

  20. bTHEredterror 10/22/2007 at 4:31 PM #

    I shake my head at the thought so many people can’t maintain a SIMPLE four count cheer. But since the problem we have is a lack of organization, I’ll concede the NC State cheer.
    For short and simple, a little “Let’s go Pack”, or “we are….NC State” like the Penn St chant.

    For a kickoff chant, just make noise and right when the kicker makes contact, yell “Go to hell, ” simple, based on one of our time honored cheers. If you want more positive try”Go pack, give ’em hell”.

    Sing the fight song, no one sings it anymore. All they are doing in a lot of those european soccer songs is singing variations on “God save our queen” and other widely known songs that are traditional, so sing the bastagization of the hinky little UNC song.

    I loved when the App fans were singing “Hey Baby” when they won their first Nat’l Championship. As long as it is done in unison, anything sounds good.

    Again, I laugh and point at those who cannot do the NNNN CCCC Staaaaate cheer……….

  21. PamlicoPack 10/22/2007 at 4:37 PM #

    ^^
    and I’m shocked anyone who got out of here with a degree thinks that tune is just the old Army tune with “Go State” snuck in…I think we should go back to hazing the freshmen and making them wear beanies until they learn vitally important data like the words to the fight song and the Alma Mater.

  22. lush 10/22/2007 at 5:02 PM #

    oh man, i feel so superior. i guess im the only one with insider then. and the only one ever to post insider links. sorry to waste the time of all those who dont have espn the magazine and dont want to pay $30/year for good, in depth material.

  23. packgrad2000 10/22/2007 at 5:04 PM #

    “It’s a student section thing and I thing you need a case of Busch to get the proper syncopation down.”

    Yeah we always referred to the “Nnnnnnn…Ccccccccc…..Staaaaate…..NC State” cheer as the “drunk cheer” because it HAD to be started by someone who’s drunk.

    As to fight songs, I’ve always liked Clemson’s and GT’s as both are easily recognizable for the ACC, and nationally USC and Notre Dame and Michigan are probably some of the more famous.

    I remember the Gator Bowl in 2003 hearing ND’s band take the field before the game and thinking, “Now THAT’s a marching band.”

  24. ncsugavin 10/22/2007 at 5:18 PM #

    @ PamlicoPack

    Shout aloud to the men who will play the game to win
    We’re behind you, keep fighting for State,
    Hold that line, hold ’em fast,
    We’ll reach victory at last
    We’re behind you, keep fighting for State,
    Rise up to the fray and let your colors wave,
    Shout out for dear old N.C. State! GO STATE!
    And where-e’er we go,
    we’ll let the whole world know,
    We’re behind you, keep fighting for State!

    from http://www.1122productions.com/fightsongs/n.html

  25. Rick 10/22/2007 at 5:20 PM #

    “oh man, i feel so superior. i guess im the only one with insider then. and the only one ever to post insider links. sorry to waste the time of all those who dont have espn the magazine and dont want to pay $30/year for good, in depth material.”

    You sure are touchy. I am sure it was a wonderful link and a wonderful story. I just do not have the ability to see it. No reason to get so upset.

    I am not questioning your ability on this or the earlier post when I was asking why you thought Degand was a bad shooter. I simply wanted to know why you thought that since his form looked good to me. And since you never did answer I just put it down to “not liking to be questioned”. It appears I am correct in my assessment.

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