No ACC Wins Yet in Fall Sports?

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Just looking through the team sports on gopack.com. I noticed four fall team sports (Football, Volleyball, Women’s Soccer, Men’s Soccer). Here are the records so far:

team, overall, acc record
FBall 1-5, 0-2
VBall 3-16, 0-9
W. Soccer 5-6-2, 0-5
M. Soccer 4-5-3, 0-3-1

Someone correct us if this is wrong. Could you imagine if NC State were Nebraska? I thought that all we needed were the facilities? What will learn is the next round of excuses of why we can’t be good – that should, of course, take a decade to fix so just hold off on any accountability before then.

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77 Responses to No ACC Wins Yet in Fall Sports?

  1. PamlicoPack 10/16/2007 at 6:28 PM #

    ^
    LOL. I think its no accident that the conferences known for being academic rogues (SEC, schools from second tier conferences who will admit anyone with a pulse, like South Florida or Boise State) are ascendent and traditional powers at schools with strong academic as well as athletic reputations (Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame) are struggling a little more.

  2. Dogbreath 10/16/2007 at 7:34 PM #

    In the mid 80s at Clemson, my dad won 3 ACC championships in track/cross country over 3 years without a track. They practiced on a grass oval that he cleared with a push mower back behind the intramural rugby fields.

    He did this 2 years removed from what was (at the time) the biggest steroid scandal in NCAA history, which resulted in the University President, Athletics Director, Strength Coach, and his predecessor all losing their jobs.

    Don’t tell me its the facilities.

  3. Wulfpack 10/16/2007 at 7:38 PM #

    ^”Facilities” is always used as an excuse for why a program can’t succeed. Wake Forest won the ACC Championship in FOOTBALL last year and is on a good pace this year. On the contrary, we’ve invested boatloads and can’t win a game.

  4. MrPlywood 10/16/2007 at 8:01 PM #

    At this rate State is becoming Canada, where the athletes are “just happy to compete”. Except in hockey maybe – then it gets serious.

  5. redfred2 10/16/2007 at 8:34 PM #

    Again, we have people posting and going to the extremes of both scenarios. It isn’t academics versus athletics, one doesn’t suffer because of the other. But that is true only when the people managing BOTH ASSETS realize that both contribute to overall welfare of a healthy public university.

  6. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 8:51 PM #

    noah Says:
    Eew. Does NC State really want to dip into the sewers of SEC country??

    Agreed—remember, usually when you hear any news concerning an SEC school, the name of the institution is usually preceeded by “The NCAA is investigating.” 🙂

  7. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 8:59 PM #

    On topic now…We all need to remember, college sports runs in cycles…a few down years (or up) is usually followed by a few up years. Sometimes the cycles run longer for some than others.

    Examples: Oklahoma, Nebraska, Syracuse et al in football
    UConn, Michigan, North Carolina, NC State et al in basketball

    There are many more examples, and some anomalies, but if you look back at records over the years, you will see what I mean.

    …..just a theory.

  8. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 9:00 PM #

    I meant to add an (or down) in there, sorry.

  9. noah 10/16/2007 at 9:04 PM #

    “why else would an athlete earning several million dollars a year give a shit about completing a valueless degree in a worthless major like frigging sociology?”

    Because by doing so, they’ll be the first person in their family to ever earn a degree?

    Not only did my parents go to college (most of us did), my grandparents went to college. Hell, I had a handful of GREAT-grandparents who went to college. So, getting a degree isn’t a huge deal in my family. But I would be willing to bet that if NO ONE in my family ever had, I’d take a lot of pride in getting one. The value of the diploma would NOT be in the field of study.

  10. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 9:05 PM #

    Diplomas are generally valued somewhere between $2.49 and $5.99 at Kinko’s, depending upon print style and whether or not you want color or B/W. 😛

  11. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 9:08 PM #

    Diplomas are generally valued somewhere between $2.49 and $5.99 at Kinko’s, depending upon print style and whether or not you want color or B/W. 😛

    You can even buy them in bulk packs and print them yourself if you wanna pinch pennies!!

  12. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 9:09 PM #

    don’t know how THAT happened!

  13. noah 10/16/2007 at 9:11 PM #

    “as I’ve said on another thread, can anyone tell me anything about the academic or research programs at the likes of Georgia, Nebraska, or Alabama?”

    Alabama is supposed to be a pretty good school. I’ve seen Georgia ranked a little lower than NC State in those “best college” lists. I don’t know anything about Nebraska.

    BTW, I am sure that a lot of people knew about it…but I was surprised recently to discover how highly regarded the Big 10 schools were. I knew that Northwestern was outstanding, of course, but I had no idea that Wisconsin and Michigan (for example) were so well thought of.

  14. Mr O 10/16/2007 at 9:18 PM #

    http://www.gopack.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9200&ATCLID=1282171

    Women’s golf leading going into the final round of a tournament. The women are ranked 21st in the nation right now. Top 9 teams are separated by six shots, so it is going to be a tough final day.

  15. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 9:18 PM #

    Well, think about it, you have your list of good academic schools, and your party schools…..what the hell is there to do in Wisconsin BESIDES study?

  16. Mr O 10/16/2007 at 9:21 PM #

    http://www.golfweekrankings.com/college/womens1/teamrankings.asp

    Women’s golf ranked 21st in the Sagarin.

  17. noah 10/16/2007 at 9:22 PM #

    “Diplomas are generally valued somewhere between $2.49 and $5.99 at Kinko’s, depending upon print style and whether or not you want color or B/W.”

    We could have a similar debate about the value of a flag.

  18. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 9:29 PM #

    Noah, you should know by now that I have to live up to my reputation as the resident smart-ass…did not mean to take your comments lightly. Give me a little leeway, cuz I happen to be on painkillers right now. I hold anyone who went to college and EARNED a degree in the highest regard. It’s not exactly something that just ANYONE can do.

  19. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 9:34 PM #

    That is, as long as it is in what one would consider a legitimate major. Some of the majors that athletes study are borderline laughable, and others are completely laughable.

    Example: Shaquille O’Neal–wasn’t his degree either honorary or in “General Studies”?

  20. choppack1 10/16/2007 at 9:47 PM #

    Why does athletic success and excellence in education have to be mutually exclusive?

    It’s not like our o-for in so many sports is OK because those programs may do well in the classroom. In the same vein, if they were undefeated but all doing very badly, that’s not OK either.

  21. haze 10/16/2007 at 9:48 PM #

    ^ Obviously, you’ve never been to Madison.

    To me, the Big10, despite the hype and a bewildering inability to count, is the paragon if you’re talking about succeeding as both an athletic power and an academic institution. Schools like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Purdue, NW and Illinois are all simply extraordinary academic institutions.

  22. highstick 10/16/2007 at 9:57 PM #

    UNC and many other major sports schools long ago learned that, through the magic of grade inflation, athletes could win on the field and “excel” in the classroom, too! (Not that I’m endorsing this approach; I’m just pointing out a double standard that the media totally ignore.)

    And UNC learned that if you have big-time pro basketball alumni leave early, they can enroll for years of long, drawn-out summer courses “to finish their degrees” and get (a) even more lavish praise heaped on them and the school for being so wonderful and setting such a good example, and (b) entertain current recruits legally, since the NBA star is officially a “student.”

    Beowolf, you and I see “eye to eye”. Wonder why the NCAA is so blind!

  23. RabidWolf 10/16/2007 at 9:59 PM #

    Don’t you DARE forget about Michigan State!

  24. noah 10/16/2007 at 10:01 PM #

    Rabid, sorry…missed the sarcasm. That’s my mistake.

    Haze, I was going to say the same thing. Madison is a great town. They like their beer. 🙂

    As far as legitimate majors go, I have friends who have very good jobs who have degrees in: Art History, PE, speech communications, theology, and believe it or not…Buddhist Studies (from USF).

    The girl with the Buddhist Studies major runs a non-profit in Florida that works with abused women and children.

    I know tons of people who have very good jobs…that have NOTHING to do with their area of study in college. Having a degree, any degree, shows that you’re willing to stick with something, shows that you have a certain level of intelligence, a certain level of curiosity and the basic tools necessary to learn something new.

    Obviously, this won’t help you if you want to be a civil engineer or a medical doctor. But you get my point.

  25. noah 10/16/2007 at 10:03 PM #

    BTW, I snickered too when she told me she was majoring in “buddhist studies.”

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