OL: The death spiral, the long road to recovery, and three steps to get there

Two years ago, I penned an entry ranking the best to worst offensive lines of the (then six year) Chuck Amato tenure. In retrospect, it is unanimously accepted that this position was in a swift downward spiral over the final few seasons of the Amato era. While no one could imagine the situation could get any worse than the 2006 debacle, it is also safe to say that this season’s crop stands to go down as the worst in program history, if not league history, and that is an amazing accomplishment given our historic futility. There are a number of factors for this troubling dilemma, chief among them, but not limited to:

1. The former staff’s general aversion to recruiting the position specifically, instead preferring to convert failed defensive lineman to the opposite side of the ball.
2. The same staff’s inability to develop and retain the very limited number of scholarship lineman it did manage to bring into the program.
3. Total, utter busts in evaluating and signing two Junior college signees (Kline and Falaise) and all five of the converted defensive lineman (McGhee, Miller, Lucas, Brown, and Smith)
4. A total wipeout of the 2004 offensive line group (would be this year’s Redshirt Junior/true Senior class)

Take one of these factors and you have a recipe for disaster, take all four and you have the current state (no pun) of Wolfpack football, where gaining 2 yards elicits sarcastic crowd jubilation, 3rd and inches limits your options to a quarterback sprint-out, knee injuries sideline your starting quarterback and tailback to all or parts of a season, and the offensive line is so horrifying they cannot even occasionally blow an assignment and accidentally block someone.

But the current condition of the line points to serious, systemic problems that will not be easily or quickly remedied. It will take no less than two years (in this writer’s estimation) to repair the damage caused by seven seasons of scholarship mismanagement, poor evaluation, even poorer coaching.

Consider the following:

• Including all positions, nine members, or 45%, of the 2003 recruiting class (this year’s redshirt senior class) have either departed the program prematurely or never arrived.

• Including all positions, five members, or 28%, of the 2004 recruiting class (this year’s redshirt junior or true senior class) have either departed the program prematurely or never arrived.

• Including all positions, six members, or 25%, of the 2005 recruiting class (this year’s redshirt sophomore or true junior class) have either departed the program prematurely or never arrived.

• Including all positions, four members, or 17%, of the 2006 recruiting class (this year’s redshirt freshman or true sophomore class) have either departed the program prematurely or never arrived.

• The entire 2004 recruiting class of four offensive linemen departed the program without earning a single varsity letter.

• Only 8 of the already low 15 scholarship offensive lineman signed between 2003 and 2006 classes are still in the program.

• 6 of the 7 scholarship offensive lineman who left the program never played a meaningful snap (i.e. never lettered)

We will lose two starters and a reserve guard and tackle to graduation after this season. There is no redshirt junior class behind them. That is right. The entire 2004 class of offensive lineman has already departed without earning a single letter.

Should the current playing rotation continue through seasons end, we will return three (McCuller, Williams, Crouch), maybe four (Vermiglio), players with any meaningful action.

One of my favorite features of the Wolfpacker magazine (which, despite my State Club contribution level and LTR ownership, I have not received an issue in over a year) is the preseason feature that recaps the career and status of each player of the last five recruiting classes. To the best of my recollection, I have done a similar recap focusing on the offensive line:

2003 (Player Name, Rivals ranking, career recap)

Kalani Heppe (3) – Redshirt Senior, starting Left Guard, two varsity letters

Luke Lathan (3) – Redshirt Senior, starting Center, two varsity letters

Yomi Ojo (3) – Redshirt Senior, backup guard, has played sparingly

Derek Morris (5) – Departed early as undrafted free agent for NFL after Junior season, started at Right Tackle most of three seasons.

2004

Merci Falaise (3) – Never lettered/eligibility expired

Lamart McGhee (3) – Never lettered/left program

Gerard Miller (3) – Never lettered/left program

Shane Lucas (3) – Never lettered/left program

2005

Andy Barbee (3) – Redshirt Sophomore – yet to letter

Quentin Brown (3) – Never lettered/left program after getting mugged, then shot near campus (*Note: can’t blame the kid for this one…)

Curtis Crouch (4) – Junior – starting Right Guard, two varsity letters

Garrett Kline (4) – Senior – has neither lettered or played

Jerrail McCuller (2) – Redshirt Sophomore – slated to start Right Tackle, suspended for DUI arrest

Julian Williams (3) – Redshirt Sophomore – starting Left Tackle, first season of action

2006

Gary Gregory (2) – Redshirt Freshman- backup guard, has played sparingly

Gavin Smith (3) – Left program

2007

Mike Golder (2) – Redshirt candidate

Henry Lawson (2) – Redshirt candidate

Desmond Roberts (3) – Redshirt candidate

Jake Vermiglio (3) – Freshman – backup tackle, has played sparingly

Justin Whaley (2) – Redshirt candidate

2008 Commits

Andrew Wallace (3)

Zach Allen (2)

2008 Key Prospects

JR Mattes (4)

Nik Becton (3)

While I have confidence in our new staff’s ability to not only coach the position, but to manage us out of today’s dire situation through effective recruiting, scholarship retention, and player development, there are a few things I believe will accelerate the path to recovery:

1. Recruit smaller, more agile offensive lineman

An athletic 255-270 pound high school kid can grow into an athletic 285-300 pound college offensive lineman who can move their feet and get their pads on another similarly sized man. A 290-300 pound high school kid will probably grow into a fat, slow 320-335 pound worthless slob so blubbery he can neither move his feet, nor get his hands on anything, including his cock and balls when necessary to man-up.

It is also important to acknowledge that we do not have the position legacy of a Nebraska, Oklahoma, Georgia, Tennessee, or Michigan. That said, there is a reason why the remaining 300+ pound offensive lineman prospects not grabbed by the aforementioned programs (and others) remain on the market. They are generally fat, slow, and weak.

Wake Forest, Boston College and (to a lesser degree Appalachian State) do just fine going out and getting the sloppy seconds that the UNCs and NC States of the world passed over – – smaller, agile players who can thrive within a system that rewards lineman who can effectively pull block and get out on the edge to chip faster linebackers.

Target and sign every smart, athletic 255-270 pound kid who will work hard, lift smart, run in the off -season, and understand that it may be at least three years before they see the field, which is the plan anyway.

Thus far, each of the signees and/or key position recruits seems to fit this mold.

2. Sign no fewer than four offensive linemen in each recruiting class.

You simply cannot sandwich a class like 2005 between classes like 2004 and 2006. It forces otherwise promising players to play prematurely (i.e. before their at-least redshirt Sophomore year). Recruit the position consistently each year, and do not allow for otherwise natural attrition to cause gaps that destroy programs.

I am not a big advocate of the junior college route, as that has not worked out for us in most circumstances, especially at the offensive line position. Looking over the scholarship numbers by class, we will probably need to ink six offensive lineman in the 2008 class. If there is a can’t miss prospect in the JUCO ranks available, it wouldn’t hurt to bring him in as a gapfill to the 2004 debacle.

3. Recruit lineman with leadership qualities and foster unity among the position group.

Growing up close to the Clemson program in the eighties, I know firsthand that Danny Ford and staff built and fed a pipeline of great offensive lineman over many years. I don’t mean NFL great necessarily, but 250 rushing yards per game and 4.5 yards per carry great. Ten wins per season great. There was a bond and unity most apparent late in the fourth quarter of close games when they took command of the huddle and proceeded to will their way to key first down yardage. His linemen were close-knit and were vocal, respected team players who frequently stepped forward as the emotional, unquestionable leaders of the program.

We saw a glimpse of that with Colmer, Kooistra, Locklear, Riggs, and Paulsen most recently, and further back in spots during the O’Cain and Sheridan years.

So what might things look like in two years? Here is a best case summary, assuming no further attrition and no Junior College are signed as in-fills between now and then:

    2009 Offensive Line Depth Chart

1st Team

LT Jerrail McCuller R-Sr

LG Mike Golder R-So

C Desmond Roberts R-So

RG Jake Vermiglio Jr

RT Julian Williams R-Sr

2nd Team

LT Gary Gregory R-Jr

LG Henry Lawson R-So

C Andy Barbee R-Sr

RG Justin Whaley R-So

RT Andrew Wallace R-Fr

3rd Team

LT TBD R-Fr

LG TBD R-Fr

C Zach Allen R-Fr

RG TBD R-Fr

RT TBD R-Fr

Reserves

Four TBD freshmen redshirt candidates.

So from here forward, we need to sign four more offensive linemen in the 2008 class (in addition to the two verbal commitments – Wallace and Allen) and at least four offensive line in the 2009 class. We also need to stay healthy and retain all existing scholarship players. These are not givens, by any means.

I will defer to other poster(s) the analysis of our other gaping deficiencies (LB, DB, QB, kicker, etc.)

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49 Responses to OL: The death spiral, the long road to recovery, and three steps to get there

  1. BladenWolf 09/24/2007 at 12:39 PM #

    Excellent analysis Dogbreath. I agree with some, however that not all our problems are with the OL. Linebackers are sucking as well. CB’s are too soft on coverage in the flats…and then there is the QB situation.
    Our recruiting during the CTC era was too focused on the defense and the staff didn’t have a clue about how to go about getting/coaching a talented offensive linemen.
    Now we will have to wait for O’Brien to stock the team with his type of players…midwest/northeastern large OL with talent as well as girth.

  2. ncsslim 09/24/2007 at 1:01 PM #

    Even in our “glory” years of OL play, I don’t recall a single game where we remotely dominated a D-1A team (maybe that sad Western Carolina game where we humiliated a team coached by a dying man who was actually on life support on the sideline) the way we were dominated this past Saturday. Not one. We’ve had some occasional decent lines, but I don’t recall a single physically dominant line in the almost 40 years I’ve been following NCS football. None that physically handled people the way we saw Saturday; in fact, very few that you could count on punching out a yard against a good defense. I have no idea why, given the number of coaches that we’ve gone through during that timeframe.

  3. haze 09/24/2007 at 1:18 PM #

    Great article. A true service to the community.

    The crux is that it’s going to take a long time to fix this mess b/c…

    A) we don’t currently have much
    B) we don’t yet have much on the way
    C) it takes time to develop much

    Try and keep this in mind when we’re still pretty lousy at the end of the 2008 season.

  4. Todd 09/24/2007 at 1:57 PM #

    Don’t know were to post it, or if anybody even cares… jury selection started today for Ted Browns sex assult case in MN.

  5. newt 09/24/2007 at 1:58 PM #

    Shawn Price, Terrence Chapman, and Terrence Martin were JC transfers brought in to shore up the defensive line Amato’s first year. Price was all-ACC and all three made NFL rosters after 2 years at NC State.

  6. noah 09/24/2007 at 3:01 PM #

    “Even in our “glory” years of OL play, I don’t recall a single game where we remotely dominated a D-1A team (maybe that sad Western Carolina game where we humiliated a team coached by a dying man who was actually on life support on the sideline) the way we were dominated this past Saturday.”

    Rivers’ junior year. Go watch the tape of the 38-20 UNC game. Once they went ahead 17-7, we switched over to just running right at them and we ate them alive.

    The Notre Dame game in the Gator Bowl was another one. The Clemson game on Thursday night that year…

  7. Todd 09/24/2007 at 3:31 PM #

    Newt – Great point. And I posted on “the other o-line thread” that i agree jc linemen are a good option. But i’d also say that most defenses are faster/easier to learn than most offenses. Think it’s probably easier to step in and excell right away on d than o.

  8. haze 09/24/2007 at 3:33 PM #

    ^ The 2002 line was badass. No question.

    Ah, the 2nd half at UNC; Cotray Jackson meets his 15 minutes of fame.

  9. Mike 09/24/2007 at 3:37 PM #

    Noah, you are usually right on with analysis, but I dont think you can count that UNX game as a D-1A game. Sorry could not resist.

    Notre Dame has not been the same since that whipping either. Also interesting is Clempson returned the favor from that Thursday night.

  10. noah 09/24/2007 at 4:09 PM #

    “Ah, the 2nd half at UNC; Cotray Jackson meets his 15 minutes of fame.”

    Nope, that was 2000. The game I’m talking about was the year TA Mclendon-left and -right just destroyed them.

    Let’s see, Amato’s first year was 2000, that was Cotra in Chapel Hill…2001 was a close loss in C-F, 2002 was TA in CH, 2003 was a no-defense win in C-F with Rivers and Cotchery both running all up and down all over the place.

  11. RochesterRedWolf 09/24/2007 at 4:59 PM #

    Jerrail McCuller out with a knee injury, yikes

  12. ncsslim 09/24/2007 at 5:20 PM #

    ” “Even in our “glory” years of OL play, I don’t recall a single game where we remotely dominated a D-1A team (maybe that sad Western Carolina game where we humiliated a team coached by a dying man who was actually on life support on the sideline) the way we were dominated this past Saturday.” ”

    “Rivers’ junior year. Go watch the tape of the 38-20 UNC game. Once they went ahead 17-7, we switched over to just running right at them and we ate them alive.

    The Notre Dame game in the Gator Bowl was another one. The Clemson game on Thursday night that year…”

    The Carolina game, I don’t remember the specifics, but the other two I remember well. I don’t recall the ND game as being as lopsided as some may choose to remember; after they lost their QB, they were absolutely anemic. I don’t recall sustained attack on our part. The final score was impressive, but only if you overlook the fact that, by that time, ND (coming off a humiliating loss to USC) was sinking fast and lost their main weapon early in the game. The only giddy part of the puzzle appeared to be we were a nobody team-on-the-rise, but I guess we know how that played out.

    Kind of same thing with Clemson; we jumped out to an early lead, they (and their fans) pretty much quit, but I don’t recall us sustaining it in the second half.

    I guess you can say, “what the hell do you want”, but I don’t recall the sustained ass-whipping in either of those games that some like to remember. In both, we struck early and decisive, but did not continue the pure domination that we saw Saturday. Again, I don’t specifically recall the UNC game you are referring to (they get blurry over the years), but hell, the one we lost (TA fumble) had become pretty dominating at the end. We just didn’t sustain it for the entire game.

  13. Todd 09/24/2007 at 5:42 PM #

    I guess this is football thread…

    Rivals writter ranks ECU #66, l-ville #74, State #77, unx 81 and Duke 87.

    Maybe we have a chance to win again?

    Also State basketball is featured today on Rivals.

  14. db321 09/25/2007 at 9:33 AM #

    You mean the offensive coordinators might not have been the main issue…that the offensive line actually sucked and that might have been the reason our offense sucked? I always thought the offensive coordinators got a bad rap during the Amato years because Amato neglected the offensive line recruiting so badly and he didn’t demand discipline, which constantly caused our offense to be in long yardage situations due to stupid penalties. Yes, the offensive coordinator was part of the coaching staff and should have tried to instill discipline, but when you have a head coach who clearly doesn’t address displine issues and has a philosophy totally different, then you are pissing in the wind. You can thank Chuck Amato for where we are now.

  15. noah 09/25/2007 at 9:52 AM #

    “The Carolina game, I don’t remember the specifics,”

    We tried to throw all over them and found ourselves down 17-7 in the third quarter. The players started begging the coaches to simplify things and just run the ball. I think we threw one pass in the third quarter. We just lined up and ran the same play to the wide side over and over and over and over and over.

    “I don’t recall the ND game as being as lopsided as some may choose to remember;”

    It was. We completely dominated BOTH sides of the line of scrimmage all day long. Rivers had all day to throw the ball.

    “Kind of same thing with Clemson; we jumped out to an early lead, they (and their fans) pretty much quit, but I don’t recall us sustaining it in the second half.”

    I think you’re remembering a different game. We beat them 38-6. How is that not sustaining a lead?

    We AVERAGED more than 32 points a game that year. That’s difficult to do if you aren’t dominating the line of scrimmage. Not only did we have one of the most prolific passers in college football history, we also had a running back who rushed for more than 1,100 yards and 18 touchdowns despite missing considerable time with injuries….also nearly impossible to do without dominating the line. Not only that, but I believe his backups ran for more than 800 yards (Golden and Brown both had around 400 yards that year). In our first nine games, we scored: 34, 34, 65, 32, 51, 56, 34, 24 and 38 points. We averaged 38 points the next year.

    From those lines, we had future NFLers in Chris Colmer and Sean Locklear (was Scott Kooistra on those teams?) and Sean Burton. And we had all-acc caliber players in both Jed Paulsen and Shane Riggs.

    If the defense that came together in 2004 had gelled just a hair earlier and been in place in 2003, we would have been a BCS team.

  16. primacyone 09/25/2007 at 9:53 AM #

    TOB Press Conference Quote:

    Question:”Do you have any young offensive linemen you may want to break in as you go along or is pretty much the guys you have now?”

    Answer:”The guys we have are the guys we’re playing. We’re going to try and redshirt some of those freshman . . . it’s all we have.”

  17. noah 09/25/2007 at 10:11 AM #

    IOW, we’re planning on fielding a football program in the years to come and this year was going to suck no matter what.

  18. primacyone 09/25/2007 at 10:17 AM #

    Next year may not be much better. Nothing against TOB, just a matter of fact.

    Watching Notre Dame this year makes me think that. They had two bad years of recruiting in a row. The last of Willingham and the first of Weis. Thank goodness TOB is having a monster year recruiting this year, but looking at the last two classes, suggest we could have anohter 2,3,4 and something year next year, before we see the light.

  19. ncsslim 09/25/2007 at 12:25 PM #

    Noah, I did a little research on that 2002 year and this is what I found:

    We had a big point/game avg, but we put up 65 on Navy, 51 on TxT (double OT I believe), and 56 on UMass. I believe we also had this guy named Rivers running the show that year. In a critical four game stretch that could have been the “special year”, we put up 17 against GaT, 21 against UMd, 9 against UVa, and 17 against FSU, winning one of the 4.

    The Clemson and ND games appear to be very much as I remembered, with us up 22-0 against Clem @ half (the first 7 on a blocked punt return), and the last 6 in the second half (missed PAT) on an on-side kick return. We did have 240 yards rushing, but even though the box score does not show, I recall most of those being first half yards, which was my “sustain” point; we did not sustain the domination. Obviously, we sustained the large margin. As far as the ND game, we were up 21-3 at half in at 28-6 game, with a game ending net rushing of a whopping 69 yards, which is specifically how I remembered the game. Surely that is not a dominating effort by any definition.

    And speaking of rushing yards (and the strong run based OL, which was what my initial post concerned), we did have 258 yards in the UNC game you referred to (I imagine the majority in the second half when we picked up momentum), to go along with the 240 in the Clemson game, however, had meager totals of 98 (WF), 69!!(Duke), 57 (GaT), 109 (UMd), and 96 (UVa). I don’t want to belittle the success, or even the talent on the 2002 team, if this is the high water mark of a program in terms of OL run domination, the bar is not very high, which was my initial point.

  20. ruffles31 09/25/2007 at 1:28 PM #

    This article to me sums up with my hypothesis as to the main reason why Amato is no longer the head coach.

    We have noticed for years that the OL was going downhill and the only decent OL we had was in 2002 and it seemed that the nastiness factor necessary for a good OL only came about when Sean Berton was added to the mix.

    Saturday was men vs. boys. We wondered how bad Clemson would have beaten us if the refs told Bowden he had to take one player of his choosing off every play. That would make them play us 10 on 11. What would the outcome been? We didn’t think it would be that different.

  21. noah 09/25/2007 at 2:09 PM #

    I’m sorry, but if you don’t think the Gator Bowl team had a dominating OL, you’re simply setting the bar too high. They CRUSHED people.

    But…believe whatever you like.

  22. db321 09/25/2007 at 10:18 PM #

    Noah says, “If the defense that came together in 2004 had gelled just a hair earlier and been in place in 2003, we would have been a BCS team.”

    The problem was our defensive line was so young it was impossible to expect them to be able to get pressure on the other team’s QB. Amato stubbornly used man to man coverage with little or no help behind them and the result was a defense that got toasted. Everyone blamed Greg Golden and company, but the head coach should have known better than to put a non-dominate corner in man to man when everyone knew our defensive line couldn’t get pressure. Amato could have switched up coverages and been much more creative and kept teams off balance, but he continued to just line up and play man defense and we continually got burned.

    We had an offense that scored plenty of points…all we needed was a head coach that was flexible enough to switch things up on occassion and give our team a better chance to win. Instead of building gameplans based on the types of players we had in the program at that time, Amato forced those players to try to execute a gameplan and a philosophy they simply weren’t capable of being successful in.

    Had Amato not been so stubborn that team might have won a couple of more games and earned a BCS trip. Who knows how good recruiting could have been after that. Instead we pissed away several games playing that aggressive defense and committing stupid penalties.

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