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We’ve linked the OSU-coach-rant if you are one of the few people who haven’t seen it yet. We have put SO MUCH good stuff on the blog since Friday that we thought this could serve as a little breather and encourage you to spend some time reading some of the great stuff that is on the site. Thanks!

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82 Responses to Take Some Time

  1. Mr O 09/25/2007 at 9:45 AM #

    I didn’t read what was written, but I have assumed that he is correct in his assessment of the writer’s professionalism. Regardless, I thought the way he handled this was equally unprofessional.

  2. packbackr04 09/25/2007 at 9:47 AM #

    i thought it was awesome… i thought the coach was gonna challenge the guy to some sort of brutal contest at the end. but alas

  3. StateFans 09/25/2007 at 9:57 AM #

    Those players would die for that coach.

    From listening to Mike & Mike this morning, they took the side of the coach against the female sports writer. Said the article was easily accessible at the Daily Oklahoman’s website

  4. packgrad2000 09/25/2007 at 10:00 AM #

    FREEEEDOOOOOOMMM!!!! (Braveheart music playing in the background)…

  5. noah 09/25/2007 at 10:03 AM #

    Well, it wasn’t a GUY he was talking to…it was a woman.

    A lot of people reacting to the story have said, “This is the problem with the media! These articles are all opinions!”

    Okay, it’s a COLUMN. It’s not a story. So, yes, it’s opinion. That said…the column was awful. It was terrible. It should never have been printed. It was filled with assumptions, innuendo, rumors, second-hand tales told out of school and speculation that would make a drunk prospector blush.

    When she turned it in, the editor should have slashed 80 percent of it, handed it back and said that she wanted to write about the QB not being up to snuff, that was fine. But she needed to back it up with something a little more substantial than how he eats chicken or whether or not he once laughed on the sideline.

    Regarding the coaches behavior, no, you don’t do that. Arguing with the media is a Sysiphean task undertaken by fools and the desperate. Okie State is 2-2 and really ought to be 1-3. They’ve been a supreme disappointment this year and regardless of how awful the column was, this reeks of projection.

    You want to pull a reporter aside and criticize them? That’s fine. You want to take away their access? You can do that too. You want to ignore their questions? Go right ahead. You want to call their editors and have a talk with them? Even the editors would welcome such a move.

    But what the Okie State coach did was throw a temper-tantrum. He threw himself on the floor, pounded his fists, kicked his feet, held his breath until he turned blue, screamed and whined and cried like a three-year-old who doesn’t want to accept that its bedtime.

    Everyone involved with that program should be embarrassed for him.

  6. PackMan97 09/25/2007 at 10:06 AM #

    Link to the article in question. NOTE: Their webserver isn’t up to the task, it appears…so give it a LONG time and it will eventually load.

    http://newsok.com/article/3131543/1190442218?mp=0

    I’d say that article is almost a 100% attack job on Reid.

  7. noah 09/25/2007 at 10:07 AM #

    The most embarrassing, childish behavior I’ve ever seen from a coach was John Cheney at Temple challenging Douchebagscumsuckingpondlicker at Umass to a fistfight in a post-game show. He should have been arrested.

    The second worst was Bob Knight going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on when an SID misunderstood whether or not Knight would be attending a post-game presser. Everyone in the room should have stood up and walked out.

    This was probably third.

  8. cradletograve 09/25/2007 at 10:21 AM #

    I actually see this as fighting fire with fire. They use their megaphone, you use yours. I promise you this tyrade will have less of an effect on this coach than on the writer or paper. I have seen so many hackjobs on so many people by reporters who drop into a story and think they “get it” and therefore presume to tell everyone else how the world is, I was thrilled to watch this guy go off. If this was a few decades ago when journalistic standards were higher, I would have said handle this the gentlemanly way, but in Oklahoma and given the very low standards of media(cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching, $$$), give it back to them!

  9. BoKnowsNCS71 09/25/2007 at 10:25 AM #

    Interesting article. Hmmmm did Donovan McNabb’s mother ever shove that soup down her son in those TV ads? Glad the NY media aren’t as savvy as the Okies are.

    True the coach blew a gasket and it will go down as one of the more memorable blow ups in sports. But people are people and can’t always hold their emotions in check — right or wrong.

    If you look in Webster’s under “losing it” — there would be that Cheney clip that Noah refers to.

  10. PamlicoPack 09/25/2007 at 10:30 AM #

    In all fairness to the reporter, if you think it is a cheap shot to comment on a player being fed by his mother, then what are we to think of all the posters on the boards who gave Shavlik Randolph holy hell when the N&O ran a picture of his mother cutting up his steak for him??

  11. noah 09/25/2007 at 10:34 AM #

    Journalistic standards were never higher. See: Ted Williams and the Beantown Hacks. Greatest player in the modern era, war hero and all-around decent guy and he got the crap kicked out of him every single day in the local rags.

    And here’s a good summary of the Chaney (I misspelled it) incident:

    John Chaney threatens John Calipari
    Feb. 13, 1994. After Calipari’s 13th-ranked UMass team beat No. 8 Temple 56-55 in Amherst, Temple coach Chaney broke into a postgame press conference being held by Calipari.

    “I’ll kill your (expletive) ass. You remember that,” Chaney screamed at Calipari. “I’ll kick your ass. Kick your ass.”

    Then Chaney, saying that Calipari had intimidated the refs, started toward the UMass coach at the lectern across the room. Gerry Callahan of the Boston Herald described the scene: “With at least one camera rolling and dozens of reporters looking on, Temple coach John Chaney charged Calipari and nearly assaulted him. (Mike) Williams got in the way and Chaney shoved the UMass junior toward Calipari, who was wisely backing up, stunned and amazed. Security guards sprinted into the interview room from all directions while Chaney continued to berate Calipari and thoroughly embarrass himself.”

    Chaney apologized after the incident, and was suspended for one game.

  12. noah 09/25/2007 at 10:37 AM #

    Speaking of Coaches Gone Wild: Spring Break!!!

    Who said this?

    “Let me start out saying this: Do NOT blame that game on the defense, OK? I don’t care who you play, whether it’s a high school team, a junior college team, a college team, much less an NFL team, when you turn the ball over five times … you ain’t gonna beat anybody. That was a disgraceful performance … We gave it away. We gave them the frigging game. In my opinion, that sucked.

    “You can’t turn it over five times. Holy crap. I don’t know who the hell we think we are when we do something like that … We’ve thrown (five) interceptions returned for touchdowns. That might be a league record. And we’ve still got six games left, so there’s no telling how many we’ll have.

    “I mean, it’s absolutely pitiful to play like that. … Horrible. Just horrible. Horrible.”

  13. Scooter 09/25/2007 at 10:43 AM #

    You really need to read the article first, then watch the video. But most people are probably doing it the other way around.

    To me the cheapest shot is questioning the kids guts and competitive fire. The comment about the mother was just piling on. That article was just speculative BS, and I believe it was uncalled for.

    If the guy is a professional athlete, OK, then go after him and right that kind of drivel if you can back it up. Columns are “opinions”. But if you are going to write that kind of “opinion” then you are also opening yourself and your article up to criticism. It is a two way street.

    I don’t have a problem with what the coach said. He was defending one of his kids. Could he have said it differently, with less anger? Yeah, but it was his passion about the topic that has drawn everyone’s attention to this situation.

  14. Rick 09/25/2007 at 10:47 AM #

    Sometimes you have to stand up for your kids.

    I get the impression that the kid was really upset about the article and the coach had had enough. I have to admire the intent to support his players even if how he did it was not the best way.

  15. smile102 09/25/2007 at 10:56 AM #

    This is a great recruiting piece for OSU; I would want a coach to be protective of my kid.

    As to Chaney, he later sent a bench player into a game to intenionally hurt an opponent- he broke his arm. But did Temple fire him on the spot? Nah.

  16. statered 09/25/2007 at 11:03 AM #

    I don’t see why the those other than the media should be held to a higher ethical standard than the media itself?

  17. Mr O 09/25/2007 at 11:04 AM #

    You can stand up for your kids in a professional manner. Finally got to read the column and it certainly crossed the line in terms of going after a college kid and crossed the line by basing a lot of the column on rumors and “word” on campus. Reminded me of Personal Fouls actually.

    But that doesn’t mean a lot of that stuff isn’t true. Be interesting to see if anything else develops to this story in the coming weeks. The coach could have protected his kids without ranting and raving in a press conference. He could have made the same points in his press conference and then cutoff the paper’s access to his program.

  18. packbackr04 09/25/2007 at 11:12 AM #

    i know this is the wrong thread but since its the top one, i will post here and the mods can feel free to move it….

    Speaking about the lack of leadership and the total nitwits that run NCSU athletics. it is odd to me that certain schools have leaders who are capable of leading not only a university, but essentialy the security of an entire country.(Robert Gates with Tex A&M i believe) Gates is a guy who just “got it”.. and i am sure there are others. Foley with Florida comes to mind as well. Gates was on message boards, not looking for advice, but to get a general feel for his schools fan support and the way things were going. He constantly had his hands on the pulse of the university, much the way i imagine he has his hand on everything in his new position (and he should, much the way Lee Fowler should, but doesnt)… there is no way he would allow some of things that go on here to go on at his school. How could fowler have let Chuck do this to our football team. was the writing not on the wall. has Jed never talked to a HS football coach who couldnt stand Chuck? Did “the Coach” not see what was happening with all the coordinator turnover?
    Fowler is not only unfit to run NC State, he shouldnt even be in charge of a putt putt course in Knightdale.

    sorry for the ramble, but it is an interesting juxtaposition(sp?) of 2 men with very different leadership qualities.

  19. eas 09/25/2007 at 11:26 AM #

    This is a great recruiting piece! As a parent, I would would want a coach with enough character to stand up for his players/kids (after all these are college students). Could he have stated his opinions in a better manner? Off course but the fact was he got his point across and his players will respect him for it.

    It is a unique balance between good PR and bad PR for a university. In this case OSU will probably look at this as a bad representation of their university. The sad part of it is (or ironic…) is that it actually shows that for once a kid’s character and values have been protected first, even above the University’s image.

    Either way, it was nice to see a different take on the media for a change. It is amazing some of the things they come up with and how it really does bring change to organizations, even when the information isn’t true.

  20. colapack 09/25/2007 at 11:36 AM #

    This was not a crybaby fit, this was someone backing his players. I would want the same courtesy for my child if my child were in the same position. NCAA football is amateur sports and all too often the media and “crybaby” sports fanatics alike forget this fact. Ask yourself if you were in the same shoes, would you sheepishly and cowardly not defend your player? You’d be a pansy if you didn’t. He did the right thing.

  21. noah 09/25/2007 at 11:38 AM #

    Every coach in the country…every single one…would back his player in that situation. Tom O’Brien, Chuck Amato, Butch Davis, Jim Grobe…whoever. They all would do it.

    They just wouldn’t necessarily pull down their pants and show their ass in doing it.

    Well….some of them would.

    NOT throwing a fit doesn’t make you sheepish or cowardly. It just means you have the maturity and the dignity needed to lead men.

  22. ADS95 09/25/2007 at 11:47 AM #

    After I looked at the video and read the article, I really agreed with the coach. Upon reflection, though, he could likely have accomplished the same thing without getting so animated.

    He could have started the PC off the same way, showing everyone the article he was talking about, stated that 80% was false and mean-spirited, and that he simply would not tolerate this kind of thing being written about his players, and informed everyone that Jenni and her paper had had her credentials revoked. Then he could elaborate further by saying he didn’t care one bit if he had to have the credentials of every paper in the country removed and didn’t care what they wrote about them, because there are a lot more places than the print media to find fair commentary on the program.

    Anyone asks him about it after that, he can say “they have a right to print what they want, short of libel, but I have a right not to let them into my press conferences, and I’ve done that. I’ve done everything within my power to express my disgust at the drivel they are printing. Attack me or my coaches or the AD, I’ll welcome you back with open arms next week. Attack my kids (players), and I’ll do my level best to see that you don’t see the inside of our press room again”.

    Noah is right in that you cannot win a war against the media (never argue with a person who buys ink by the barrell, the old saying goes). But, there are times when its a fight worth fighting, even if you can’t win.

    As for the Shavlik Randolph thing, the article with the picture of his mom cutting up his steak was not belittling him. Folks on message boards went wild with it, but they are not professional journalists.

    Lastly – Noah: Did Dennis Erickson say the quote about the 5 interceptions?

  23. charger17 09/25/2007 at 12:11 PM #

    Noah and Mr. O,

    Are you just expressing an opinion that the coach could have done this more professionally or do you think he actually was in the wrong for going off like that?

  24. noah 09/25/2007 at 12:24 PM #

    ADS – Nope…it’s Jim Mora, the undisputed King of post-game pressers.

    Charger – I think the coach was right in criticizing the column. It’s a piece of crap. I think he’s wrong for losing his temper and choosing that particular time and place for the venue for his tantrum.

    I certainly don’t have a problem with him sticking up for his player. Completely understandable. I just think you can do so in a more professional fashion.

  25. ncsukyle430 09/25/2007 at 12:28 PM #

    I’m agreeing with noah on this one. The coach definitely should have called out the reporter, but the yelling was a little out of line, especially to a lady. He should have calmed down when he said it because a) he doesn’t look crazy and more people are on his side, and b) there is no for him to judge her on the spot like that. If she’s a crappy reporter then her crappy writing will speak for it’s self. Trying to see how many times I can say crappy in one post. Crappy.

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