850 The Buzz on Saturday in the Triangle

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850 The Buzz’s Blog has posted a fascinatingly insightful entry that definitely deserves attention. (Link to entry)

Excerpt –

O’Brien made a point in his press conference to illustrate how the whole game was a microcosm of how practice went leading up to the season opener. Tanking is a strong way to describe what happened on Saturday, but reading between the lines it’s easy to imply that O’Brien let his team figure it out on their own in the 1st half. Mike Krzyzewski does this with his Duke teams in the early season, and Roy Williams employed the tactic against NC State in the Heels loss at the RBC Center last season. Obviously, it’s not 100% the same between football and basketball because of the amount of games and such. However, the comments from O’Brien ring truer for the specific players he was talking about but would never name. O’Brien has years of bad habits built up from the previous regime, and not all of the bad Amato habits can be broken in practice. Unfortunately for the players, it came at the expense of a game

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44 Responses to 850 The Buzz on Saturday in the Triangle

  1. Rick 09/05/2007 at 8:38 AM #

    “Roy Williams employed the tactic against NC State in the Heels loss at the RBC Center last season.

    LMAO. “So THAT explains it!” ”

    That was my thought. State did not beat UNC. Roy let them lose. Pathetic really

  2. BoKnowsNCS71 09/05/2007 at 9:11 AM #

    “But who are we to wish to live under the protections of the Constitution???”

    The US Constitution doesn’t apply to how coaches discipline their players.

  3. noah 09/05/2007 at 9:42 AM #

    Is JM contesting the charge? Is he claiming that he wasn’t driving under the influence?

  4. crackdog 09/05/2007 at 10:43 AM #

    “But who are we to wish to live under the protections of the Constitution???”

    Many groups choose to live under a code which holds an individual to a higher standard than the constitution. It’s fine by me if our football team is one of them.

  5. VaWolf82 09/05/2007 at 10:50 AM #

    Even though our recruiting has fallen off (since Doc Holliday left),

    Which also came about the same time that the UNC system changed their admission requirements for athletes.

    http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2006/06/18/unc-system-admission-requirements/

    (Cute and paste if the link doesn’t go in correctly.)

  6. brickman 09/05/2007 at 11:44 AM #

    The truth came out when rivers left ! No matter what you say or the way you put it.

  7. noah 09/05/2007 at 2:15 PM #

    I honestly think that Holliday’s departure and the new admission requirements were coincidental.

    It didn’t help that we lost Demo at the same time.

  8. GAWolf 09/05/2007 at 2:51 PM #

    Perhaps it doesn’t, but a lawsuit settlement says that it likely applied to Duke University athletes who were suspended and expelled for what were mere allegations/charges. I don’t know whether he’s contesting it or not but he’s entitled to that right and thus is not guilty of anything until he pleads guilty or is found guilty.

    I’ve got no problem with TOB suspending him and it’s my understanding McCuller went straight to TOB and they had a meeting about what to do. If the consensus was that the suspension was a good idea on the front end, then I can accept it. They clearly know more about what happened than any of us.

    However, everyone else who knows nothing about it should understand that a charge is merely an allegation until the case runs its course in court. Nor does a suspension from a football team make him guilty of anything. He might ultimately be deemed guilty, but simply because a cop says someone was driving under the influence doesn’t necessarily mean that the same is without a doubt, unquestionably the truth. That’s all I was saying… Duke LAX… how quickly we forget.

  9. RAWFS 09/05/2007 at 3:57 PM #

    GAWolf, it may well be that Jerrail admitted that he’d done something wrong to his coach and his coach is punishing him as an example to others.

    He may well be contrite for his actions, and he did show responsibility by going forward to the coach, but at the same time, OBrien has to levy some sort of football justice to him or it sets a terrible example for the inevitable future transgression.

  10. noah 09/05/2007 at 4:01 PM #

    The Dook lax students were expelled from school for a crime they didn’t commit. Jerrail McCuller, last I checked, was still in school. He’s still, last I checked, still on scholarship.

    He’s simply not being allowed to play football.

    I see no comparisons between the two.

  11. Mr O 09/05/2007 at 4:02 PM #

    IMO, he has levied enough justice. Wish McCuller was playing this weekend. I think ECU’s QB got one game.

  12. noah 09/05/2007 at 4:14 PM #

    Dick Sheridan would have suspended him for the season.

    I think Ray Frost ended up missing something like a season and a half before he came back from a DWI. Naz Worthen got suspended for being NEAR a fight. Of course, that was 20 years ago.

    It’s a tough thing to manage. Sheridan and O’Cain were both hard-asses when it came to discipline. No facial hair under Sheridan. No names on the jerseys. Everyone walks out with the captains for the coin flip.

    O’Cain relaxed some of the rules, but was still pretty hard on guys who committed crimes. It didn’t seem to help. His regime got off to a pretty rough start right off the bat when Ricky Bell, the DE from Columbia, and Kimatni Rawlins got arrested for tearing up someone’s apartment. Then there was the shooting at the party.

    A lot of the players on the team were upset at the way those two situations were handled. Ricky Bell and Willie Wright were the only one’s who managed to make their way back on the team.

  13. Primewolf 09/05/2007 at 9:12 PM #

    It will be interesting to see what our coaches can do this year. If we end the season as a much better team, I will be excited.

    And, by the way, REDSHIRT everyone possible this year.

  14. RochesterRedWolf 09/06/2007 at 12:44 AM #

    MrO, i don’t hand anything to the tarholes. JMU high school outplayed their first stringers in the second half. You think our OL is bad, go on espn360 and watch the tarhole OL in the second half and the end of the first, they got outplayed the whole game by guys who are not D1 athletes. The pathetic-ness that is Carolina Football can only be happy and giddy about such a performance. There is NO state fan who has ever been happy with any win especially over the 1-AA and lower tier 1-A teams. We would have all been glad to start 1-0 of course but we would all have said, “we’ll see where we are after this weekend at BC.”

    I thought the article on 850 was garbage and didn’t think it that insightful. TOB’s words were about as insightful as it gets, not to mention honest.

  15. RochesterRedWolf 09/06/2007 at 1:04 AM #

    Do u guys remember Bobby Washington? He would have been either a senior or redshirt junior this year.

  16. noah 09/06/2007 at 9:31 AM #

    Yeah, Washington’s really setting the world on fire at E. Kentucky.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161912

  17. PacknSack 09/06/2007 at 10:54 AM #

    I don’t think any coach would tank a half to prove a point to his players. But we were lined up wrong on the first play of the season! Perhaps it was like Days of Thunder where he said “we’ll play a half your way and we’ll play a half my way.” Which is nuts, so that didn’t happen. I think TOB is at the end of his rope with some of the guys, but he’s so guarded with what he says its hard to really tell.

  18. RochesterRedWolf 09/06/2007 at 7:22 PM #

    noah, i forgot he went there…he was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread coming out of high school, but you can say that about a million guys i guess. I remember it being quite the story just getting him to Raleigh.

    PackNSack, exactly! I don’t think TOB just let them wallow. I saw one interview that said that HarrisonBeck was ready to go on the field the series before he did but we muffed the punt which pinned us deep. So they thought it was a better situation for Evans to come out since it was so deep in our territory…i think that’s the series Evans got the safety.

    If TOB was gonna prove something he would have yanked ALL the starters and put in the 2nd stringers. The guy at 850 doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about, even if he was trying to complement TOB. I was also born in ’73. My sister was born in ’74 and i used to always tell her Elvis shot himself because she was born that year.

  19. noah 09/06/2007 at 9:58 PM #

    Elvis shot the TV….not himself. Heart attack (1977).

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